First, we have to spell it out what the dark triad is.
en.wikipedia.org
The dark triad is a psychological theory of personality, first published by Delroy L. Paulhus and Kevin M. Williams in 2002,[1] that describes three notably offensive but non-pathological personality types: Machiavellianism, sub-clinical narcissism, and sub-clinical psychopathy.[2][3][4][5] Each of these personality types is called dark because each is considered to contain malevolent qualities.[2][6][7][8]
All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous–manipulative interpersonal style.[9]
Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[10]
Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulativeness, indifference to morality, lack of empathy, and a calculated focus on self-interest.[11][12]
Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits (CU),[13] and remorselessness.
High scores in these traits have been found to statistically increase a person's likelihood to commit crimes, cause social distress, and create severe problems for organizations, especially if they are in leadership positions.[15] They also tend to be less compassionate, agreeable, empathetic, and satisfied with their lives, and less likely to believe they and others are good.[16] However, the same traits are also associated with some positive outcomes, such as mental toughness and being more likely to embrace challenges.[17]
A factor analysis found that among the big five personality traits, low agreeableness is the strongest correlate of the dark triad, while neuroticism and a lack of conscientiousness were associated with some of the dark triad members.[12] Research indicates that there is a consistent association between changes in agreeableness and the dark triad traits over the course of an individual's life
I am not sure under which premises the question is posed. To a certain degree many people have to a lesser degree such personality traits. My question is rather meant in the way if extreme cases of the dark triad would not be a thing.
I think many extremely powerful people show dark triade personality types. Here comes an interesting question. Do you think there extremely high skilled psychopaths who bully their way to the top. Abuse and humiliate all the people around them and who are feared by most people they know personally. But their overall impact on the society is still a net positive? I am not sure. I imagine someone like Bill Gates. He has some Epstein connections. I don't know whether he is a psychopath but I could imagine people who are extremely toxic towards others enjoy being seen as messiah. And because of this they found charities that actually contribute to improving the world. I am not sure whether Bill Gates's legacy is an overall net positive for the world. There are pros and cons for that. Billionaires do a lot of harm to this planet but actually I appreciate some initiatives. Even though, I completely reject the notion that altruism was part of the motivation.
There was a time where the Silicon Valley tried to portray itself as something genuinely good for liberal societies. Of course this was always a lie. But at least they tried to abide to certain standards.
But I think I will choose a different path for this thread. I think being a politician is in most cases a horrible job. It ruins your health, it ruins your private life, women don't fulfil their wish to get children becaue of this, deep fake nudes of you on the internet, your children might be bullied because of your job. Though, power hungry people cannot get enough. Dark triad people are attracted to such positions and because of how their psyche functions they are willing to do the necessary sacrifices. If we all were purely altruistic and peace loving would anyone of us willing to take this job. I get the feeling only psychopaths are willing to do that. Maybe the job would not be as hard but I don't know. I rather think the extreme work load is already enough to ruin one's health and private life. Maybe our system was less efficient if these types of people would not exist. On the other hand maybe the system wasn't as corrupt and prone to inequality. But are dark triad personality types really the driver of inequality.?I have the feeling human nature in general tends to generate inequality. (weak argument)I could go on. It isn't sophisticated. It isn't thought through. Just some food for thought.
What do you think? I think this thread isn't particular good. But I will post it anyway.
Dark triad - Wikipedia
The dark triad is a psychological theory of personality, first published by Delroy L. Paulhus and Kevin M. Williams in 2002,[1] that describes three notably offensive but non-pathological personality types: Machiavellianism, sub-clinical narcissism, and sub-clinical psychopathy.[2][3][4][5] Each of these personality types is called dark because each is considered to contain malevolent qualities.[2][6][7][8]
All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous–manipulative interpersonal style.[9]
Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[10]
Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulativeness, indifference to morality, lack of empathy, and a calculated focus on self-interest.[11][12]
Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits (CU),[13] and remorselessness.
High scores in these traits have been found to statistically increase a person's likelihood to commit crimes, cause social distress, and create severe problems for organizations, especially if they are in leadership positions.[15] They also tend to be less compassionate, agreeable, empathetic, and satisfied with their lives, and less likely to believe they and others are good.[16] However, the same traits are also associated with some positive outcomes, such as mental toughness and being more likely to embrace challenges.[17]
A factor analysis found that among the big five personality traits, low agreeableness is the strongest correlate of the dark triad, while neuroticism and a lack of conscientiousness were associated with some of the dark triad members.[12] Research indicates that there is a consistent association between changes in agreeableness and the dark triad traits over the course of an individual's life
I am not sure under which premises the question is posed. To a certain degree many people have to a lesser degree such personality traits. My question is rather meant in the way if extreme cases of the dark triad would not be a thing.
I think many extremely powerful people show dark triade personality types. Here comes an interesting question. Do you think there extremely high skilled psychopaths who bully their way to the top. Abuse and humiliate all the people around them and who are feared by most people they know personally. But their overall impact on the society is still a net positive? I am not sure. I imagine someone like Bill Gates. He has some Epstein connections. I don't know whether he is a psychopath but I could imagine people who are extremely toxic towards others enjoy being seen as messiah. And because of this they found charities that actually contribute to improving the world. I am not sure whether Bill Gates's legacy is an overall net positive for the world. There are pros and cons for that. Billionaires do a lot of harm to this planet but actually I appreciate some initiatives. Even though, I completely reject the notion that altruism was part of the motivation.
There was a time where the Silicon Valley tried to portray itself as something genuinely good for liberal societies. Of course this was always a lie. But at least they tried to abide to certain standards.
But I think I will choose a different path for this thread. I think being a politician is in most cases a horrible job. It ruins your health, it ruins your private life, women don't fulfil their wish to get children becaue of this, deep fake nudes of you on the internet, your children might be bullied because of your job. Though, power hungry people cannot get enough. Dark triad people are attracted to such positions and because of how their psyche functions they are willing to do the necessary sacrifices. If we all were purely altruistic and peace loving would anyone of us willing to take this job. I get the feeling only psychopaths are willing to do that. Maybe the job would not be as hard but I don't know. I rather think the extreme work load is already enough to ruin one's health and private life. Maybe our system was less efficient if these types of people would not exist. On the other hand maybe the system wasn't as corrupt and prone to inequality. But are dark triad personality types really the driver of inequality.?I have the feeling human nature in general tends to generate inequality. (weak argument)I could go on. It isn't sophisticated. It isn't thought through. Just some food for thought.
What do you think? I think this thread isn't particular good. But I will post it anyway.
