Discussion How to vindicate/exonerate the people I've implicated in my crimes before suicide

[adderallfiend]

I'm not going to detail the extensive list of crimes I've carelessly committed and am doomed to be imprisoned for.

What I want to discuss stems on the fact that I've implicated several good-natured human beings with my illegal activities. I've coerced, manipulated, etc. friends and family into a litany of various crimes.

When I leave, the only thing I care about is vindicating these people who could (& likely would) get into legal trouble once the cops investigate my house.

I'm thinking of writing out a note that I've manipulated and otherwise tricked these individuals into their illegal participation in my crimes. But I am not sure if that would do more harm than good - as in, what if my note says that I deceived John Doe into crime ABC (with the intention of vindicating him and assuming all culpability in death), but the cops were never going to investigate John Doe to begin with? And now they will?

I'd love to hear more discussion about this kind of thing. I'm 2 days from departure and feel I will find myself in a better place if I do the right thing here.

 

[Soul]

I'm sorry you've got this kind of cleaning up to do before you go. What if you provided evidence/handwritten statements to each individual instead of to the police? and a general statement for the police that you coerced multiple innocent people to participate in your crimes? That way people the police weren't interested in anyway would be able to provide vindication if needed.

I hope this works out right for everyone involved.

 

[autumnal]

I agree with Soul's suggestion. Additionally, these statements would have a lot more weight if you made them in the form of statutory declarations (or affadavit etc), and got them witnessed by a notary or equivalent in your country. Otherwise, someone just presenting your note could be accused of forging it or obtaining it from you under duress etc.

 

[Whale_bones]

As Autumnal says, you really need to get any letters you write to be witnessed by a notary at the very least. Preferably have them read through by a lawyer as well. If the letters aren't even signed by a notary, it's unlikely they will do any good at all as a defense for someone charged with a crime. Without a witness there's no way to prove who they were written by or what date they were written on.

The other issue is that you don't get to choose to take all the responsibility just because now is the right time for you; if these other people participated in or were implicated in the crimes, the DA's office can choose to prosecute them. The only time someone can assume all the culpability themselves and clear other people's names is when the prosecutors *offer* that person a deal. With you dead that means you literally CAN'T take effective responsibility for them, especially if these are serious charges that include prison time, because you'll be serving 0 time and they'll be serving all of it.

So, if you've truly implicated innocent people in crimes to the point where the charge will actually fall on them, you owe it to them to put off your end date for a few weeks and do everything you can to lower the odds they'll end up charged. It will take some extra effort but it's definitely the right thing to do.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

My thoughts on vindicating others and doing the right thing, as you've asked about here...

I don't know your story, I can only go based on what you've said, and on my own personal beliefs. Take from this what you want, ignore what you don't.

It sounds as if you're going to ctb because you're going to have to pay for crimes committed. You have two days until what? That you're arraigned? That's what I'm getting from your post, I could be wrong, not much info was given.

It seems to me, based on limited knowledge, that these are your various options:

1. Destroy all evidence in your home that could implicate others. Ctb.

2. Leave video confessions detailing every single aspect of single every crime, how you manipulated others, and what evidence supports your claims. However, while someone may have been manipulated into participating or abetting, that doesn't mean the law will agree that they are innocent. Write something that verifies you made the videos of your own free will and have it notarized. Ctb.

3. Live, give thorough confessions with evidence that corroborates your confessions, plead guilty, and deal with the consequences of your actions, some of which will be "justice," and some of which will not be justice as prisons and prisoners are neither safe nor fair. If you face prison, use every opportunity available to grow as a person, while you're there and after you are released. Make amends to those you manipulated and harmed. Make amends to those you committed crimes against. Make amends to society by being a better person and giving something back to make society better as well.

4. Live, tell your lawyer everything, and talk to him/her about how to simultaneously manage your defense and ensure that no one else pays for what you are responsible for.

 

[waterbottleman]

You manipulated and coerced people you love and who love you to do crimes? People who are good innocent people?

The fuck is wrong with you? Doing crimes yourself is one thing and depending on the crimes, people deserve a second chance and to be forgiven. However betraying those most close to you is beyond the pale.

While there is nothing that justifies doing that to other people (especially family and friends) I certainly hope there was some wider context that has caused you to do these things (drug addiction, mental health issues, etc).

 

[Quarky00]

The fuck is wrong with you? . . . betraying those most close to you is beyond the pale.

OP is ctbing because of that -- I guess they've already judged themselves/situation harsher

I guess we are here to show compassion towards each other reagarding suicide and circumstances that led us there. And sometimes that includes real wrongdoings. However sometimes people are really ridden with destructive guilt or fatalistic thinking. I'm not "telling you off" or something. It's natural that we get angry about abuse. I'm ambivalent on judging people. Just pausing to think how shitty it is from all directions/possibilities ...

Otherwise @Whale_bones said it better and concisely . You really need some legally binding statement , like a deposition. A lawyer or LE investigator can better ask all the questions to make it hold in court . Otherwise personally phrased statement won't cover all ends ..

You said you have some evidence in the house implicating others, advising you to destroy would be illegal. It sounds like a real serious criminal operation, and I don't know how smart it is for us to get involved..

 

[Pan]

Are you at all familiar with the writings of the Marquis deSade? I would suggest his 120 Days of Sodom for a start.

 

[Suez]

My thoughts on vindicating others and doing the right thing, as you've asked about here...

I don't know your story, I can only go based on what you've said, and on my own personal beliefs. Take from this what you want, ignore what you don't.

It sounds as if you're going to ctb because you're going to have to pay for crimes committed. You have two days until what? That you're arraigned? That's what I'm getting from your post, I could be wrong, not much info was given.

It seems to me, based on limited knowledge, that these are your various options:

1. Destroy all evidence in your home that could implicate others. Ctb.

2. Leave video confessions detailing every single aspect of single every crime, how you manipulated others, and what evidence supports your claims. However, while someone may have been manipulated into participating or abetting, that doesn't mean the law will agree that they are innocent. Write something that verifies you made the videos of your own free will and have it notarized. Ctb.

3. Live, give thorough confessions with evidence that corroborates your confessions, plead guilty, and deal with the consequences of your actions, some of which will be "justice," and some of which will not be justice as prisons and prisoners are neither safe nor fair. If you face prison, use every opportunity available to grow as a person, while you're there and after you are released. Make amends to those you manipulated and harmed. Make amends to those you committed crimes against. Make amends to society by being a better person and giving something back to make society better as well.

4. Live, tell your lawyer everything, and talk to him/her about how to simultaneously manage your defense and ensure that no one else pays for what you are responsible for.

I agree with GoodPersonEffed, who has put together some really good options i think for you to consider. I know what its like to be where you are, facing imprisonment, knowing ive really fucked things up, fucked my life up and the lives of everyone else around me that mattered, my family and friends. The only people that actually gave a shit about me. Isnt it incredible how we can still manage to shit on them from a great height despite everything they have done for us over the years to try and keep us out of jail, or keep us from harm or help us when we had no money or no food or no where to sleep. They were the only ones that were there. Now you have the opportunity to give back to them for all those times that they have given so much to you.
Have a look at the different options @GoodPersonEffed has suggested above, what do you think? Do one of those options sit better than another for you? Youve got a chance right here, right now to really make a difference not only in your life but in the lives of your family & friends. It might not seem it from where your standing and when i was standing where you were and i had someone say that to me I would have thought that person was fucken mad. But i just didnt see it at that time. Ive done a few lags in my lifetime. At first it was 9mnths here, 12mnths there. Then things got serious, initially i got 8yrs but it was reduced to 4yrs, in part because I had already served 1yr in part because of my background and my addiction. For many years leading up to my time behind bars my family and friends really bore the brunt of my behaviour, their houses were turned frequently by the Drug squad and left in a state because of my presence. They were stopped in the street and questioned or taken into the Police station on a whim. My family & friends gave up their rights because of their association with me. They also became targets because of me, rival gang members would come to my mums door to threaten her life, one of my friends was king hit on the main street and put in hospital. I put all of them in danger. I really didnt deserve their freindship, love or support.I This is your chance to make amends to your family & friends. Because they have always been there for you. You would not be here doing what your doing if you did not feel that you needed to make good for everything that you have done to them. So starting here, starting right now, say to yourself, today im going to take responsibility for my actions. Im going to stand up and face up to what i have done. Im going to hold my head up and im going to face my charges and if it means i go to jail then i will go to jail and i will use that time to my advantage to do things differently and when i come out Im going to make sure that I thank my family&friends for always having been there for me&having had my back. Because thats what you do and thats what i did. Is jail fun....No not really. But you fucked up, you did the crime, your a big boy (or girl) so time for you to be an adult and take responsibility for yourself. Its boring, you wake up to the same people, the same food every day. Its monotonous, there never alot happening, but it is jail after all, so what did you expect??? But you know what theres also alot you can do in jail and that what i discovered. I took advantage of the Education room. I barely made it through school so I decided i would try to get my School Certificate and thats what i did. I surprised myself and actually passed and so the next year I decided to take my University Entrance exams and some how I managed to pass that too. I also decided while I was there to go to Narcotics Anonymous to try and get myself clean. By the time I got out of jail, I didnt have an addiction any more and I had qualifications now which meant i could try to get into University and that what i did. I went to University, I studied and became a Doctor, an MD and went on to do further study to complete a PhD. So thats why I said earlier, it starts here. Start by looking at the options GoodPersonEffed has suggested and go from there. What do you think?