How to acquire Cyanide in Europe?

[ManWithNoName]

Anybody know? I posted this a while ago but used the chemical symbol "KCN" in the subject header of the thread instead of writing "cyanide" and got radio silence - I'm assuming many do not know the chemical name.

Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

 

[not_a_robot]

You can make it but I don't like posting it because I don't want to be charged with "murder" for having a conversation if you used it to ctb.
Prison libraries suck.

 

[ProhibereDolor]

I am in the boat with robot, it's touchy when suggesting how to get or make potassium, hydrogen, or sodium cyanide. Any of the cyanide salts. Only thing I can suggest is look for something called a cyanogen. Don't want to give you any more than that.

 

[Lennox]

There used to be awesome Youtube videos only a year ago teaching how to make cyanide. They've all been removed.

 

[ManWithNoName]

There used to be awesome Youtube videos only a year ago teaching how to make cyanide. They've all been removed.

Making cyanide is a very involved process which I would not want to attempt.

 

[Lennox]

Making cyanide is a very involved process which I would not want to attempt.

I have (in theory) the knowledge and equipment to make cyanide. But after reading so much about it being a very painful way to ctb, I'm probably giving up on it.

 

[Lennox]

You can make it but I don't like posting it because I don't want to be charged with "murder" for having a conversation if you used it to ctb.
Prison libraries suck.

I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking, is this out of general caution or are there specific legal aspects regarding cyanide in your region? Or maybe there are legal aspects regarding "suicide encouragement" in general? (I know in my country there are). Because I've seen people here talking openly about chemical methods for producing CO for example, I don't see why cyanide would be different.

 

[MG_39]

It's too complicated. If someone needs to ask here how to do it, they won't be able to do it. And if they could syntesis of pentobarbital would be a better choice.

 

[Lennox]

There are dozens of different ways to synthesize cyanide. Some much easier than others. However I see your point, even the easier ones have gotchas that one need to be aware of. Look at this video for example where cyanide is being produced by simply mixing two reagents:




One problem with the method above is that one of the reactants in sodium hydroxide (NaOH), and some unreacted NaOH is bound to remain in the end after the reaction is done. So another chemical process would probably need to be employed to separate the NaOH.

I asked previously about why methods for making cyanide aren't being discussed, but I myself would not feel comfortable being in the position of teaching any methods to anyone which could lead them to ctb. There could be even legal repercussions, who knows. I just wish the info was already here lol.

As for pentobarbital I have no idea how synthesize it, but I imagine a home lab wouldn't be sufficient.

 

[Hennessy]

I would also like som more information about cyanide. I don't think providing information about how to make cyanide is a crime in Europe or in the USA. But encouraging people to commit suicide is a crime so we should be careful not to encourage anyone.

I have read about many incidents where people have ctb by cyanide-pills. I have also read that dying from cyanide poisoning is very painful, but I also got the impression that it can kill you rather quickly.

But I don't know enough. I wish I knew more. I hope someone can provide some useful information about this.

 

[Free]

You can make it but I don't like posting it because I don't want to be charged with "murder" for having a conversation if you used it to ctb.
Prison libraries suck.

Are you in prison? Sorry to ask if it's too personal, but I'm not sure if you're serious. You don't have to answer, just curious.

 

[Hennessy]

I think I remember reading somewhere that professional photographers who are using films (not digital camera) have access to cyanide. I also read that goldsmiths have access to cyanide. I read this somewhere on the internet many years ago, I'm not sure where I read it or if it's true. Does anyone got more information on this?

 

[not_a_robot]

Are you in prison? Sorry to ask if it's too personal, but I'm not sure if you're serious. You don't have to answer, just curious.

No, I don't want to go to prison for telling you how to make it or google it.

 

[Lennox]

I would also like som more information about cyanide. I don't think providing information about how to make cyanide is a crime in Europe or in the USA. But encouraging people to commit suicide is a crime so we should be careful not to encourage anyone.

I have read about many incidents where people have ctb by cyanide-pills. I have also read that dying from cyanide poisoning is very painful, but I also got the impression that it can kill you rather quickly.

But I don't know enough. I wish I knew more. I hope someone can provide some useful information about this.

Do you have any chemistry background at all? I'll assume you know a bit about molecules and chemical equations.

The easiest method in my opinion is:
Potassium Ferrocyanide (anhydrous) + Sodium Metal == Sodium Cyanide + Potassium Cyanide + Iron
In chemical equation form:
K4[Fe(CN)6] + 2Na → 4KCN + 2NaCN + Fe

You can easily buy both the Potassium Ferrocyanide and Sodum metal at local Chemical Suppliers, or even on eBay.

You heat the mix of potassium ferrocyanide and sodium metal at around 300-350°C, until after it completely melts, then you'll have the products (4KCN + 2NaCN + Fe). Then (after cooling it down ofc) you'll then need some sort of filtration to separate the Iron (Fe) from the cyanide.

Here's a video showing the whole ordeal, including exact quantities of each substance:


(this video used to be up on Youtube, but was taken down along with a bunch of other content considered "dangerous")

The Potassium Ferrocyanide you use in this reaction needs to be in its anhydrous form. However I believe you can only buy Potassium Ferrocyanide it its "trihydrate" form ( K4[Fe(CN)6]·3H2O ). To convert the trihydrate into anhydrous, put the powder into an oven at 150°C for a couple of hours, occasionally shuffling the powder around.

This method and all the other methods under the sun for synthesizing cyanide are discussed at length on chemistry forums. I recommend specially http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/ .Use the search function there to find discussions of all the methods.

I personally lost interest in Cyanide after finding Sanctioned Suicide and going through all the discussions on how painful it is CTB'ing this way.

EDIT: To neutralize cyanide, which you'll probably get on your gloves and other things, the best option is to immerse all the things touched by cyanide into a concentrated solution of sodium hypochlorite.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Do you have any chemistry background at all? I'll assume you know a bit about molecules and chemical equations.

The easiest method in my opinion is:
Potassium Ferrocyanide (anhydrous) + Sodium Metal == Sodium Cyanide + Potassium Cyanide + Iron
In chemical equation form:
K4[Fe(CN)6] + 2Na → 4KCN + 2NaCN + Fe

You can easily buy both the Potassium Ferrocyanide and Sodum metal at local Chemical Suppliers, or even on eBay.

You heat the mix of potassium ferrocyanide and sodium metal at around 300-350°C, until after it completely melts, then you'll have the products (4KCN + 2NaCN + Fe). Then (after cooling it down ofc) you'll then need some sort of filtration to separate the Iron (Fe) from the cyanide.

Here's a video showing the whole ordeal, including exact quantities of each substance:


(this video used to be up on Youtube, but was taken down along with a bunch of other content considered "dangerous")

The Potassium Ferrocyanide you use in this reaction needs to be in its anhydrous form. However I believe you can only buy Potassium Ferrocyanide it its "trihydrate" form ( K4[Fe(CN)6]·3H2O ). To convert the trihydrate into anhydrous, put the powder into an oven at 150°C for a couple of hours, occasionally shuffling the powder around.

This method and all the other methods under the sun for synthesizing cyanide are discussed at length on chemistry forums. I recommend specially http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/ .Use the search function there to find discussions of all the methods.

I personally lost interest in Cyanide after finding Sanctioned Suicide and going through all the discussions on how painful it is CTB'ing this way.

EDIT: To neutralize cyanide, which you'll probably get on your gloves and other things, the best option is to immerse all the things touched by cyanide into a concentrated solution of sodium hypochlorite.

Seems like an anti-cyanide post

 

[ManWithNoName]

I would also like som more information about cyanide. I don't think providing information about how to make cyanide is a crime in Europe or in the USA. But encouraging people to commit suicide is a crime so we should be careful not to encourage anyone.

I have read about many incidents where people have ctb by cyanide-pills. I have also read that dying from cyanide poisoning is very painful, but I also got the impression that it can kill you rather quickly.

But I don't know enough. I wish I knew more. I hope someone can provide some useful information about this.

According to Derek Humphrey from his book "Final Exit", the KCN powder is to be mixed with water, and allowed to sit for 20 minutes, at that point it will be ready to be consumed—but the solution will only last for about 3-4 hours before it loses potency. So once one produces the chemical in a ready to consume form, apparently it has a 'shelf-life' of sorts.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

According to Derek Humphrey from his book "Final Exit", the KCN powder is to be mixed with water, and allowed to sit for 20 minutes, at that point it will be ready to be consumed—but the solution will only last for about 3-4 hours before it loses potency. So once one produces the chemical in a ready to consume form, apparently it has a 'shelf-life' of sorts.

I didn't see the 20-minute number in the version of the book I was reading (I think it's the original 1992 version)

 

[ImSorryEmma]

Its very difficult to obtain cyanide in America let alone Europe, you're better off doing SN as your method as it kills you pretty much the same way cyanide does (removing oxygen from your blood which leads to hypoxia), the only difference really is the time until death, and how pleasant you death will feel. SN takes ~45min-1hr or longer depending on your body conditions and experience mild pain at the most if you set up the SN properly whereas cyanide is extremely painful but it only kills you in ~1-3 minutes.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Its very difficult to obtain cyanide in America let alone Europe, you're better off doing SN as your method as it kills you pretty much the same way cyanide does (removing oxygen from your blood which leads to hypoxia), the only difference really is the time until death, and how pleasant you death will feel. SN takes ~45min-1hr or longer depending on your body conditions and experience mild pain at the most if you set up the SN properly whereas cyanide is extremely painful but it only kills you in ~1-3 minutes.

Derek Humphry in Final Exit made it seem like oftentimes cyanide is pretty instantaneous and painless

The higher the dosage I'd imagine the better chance of a painless death (1.5g of potassium cyanide he said would be the standard lethal amount)

 

[Deleted member 14386]

Hate to be that guy, isn't this breaking the rules on sourcing? Sourcing would (just imo include synthesis). Again Idk
I've heard it's painful but quick, it's hard to find even on the darknet. I'd go with SN since it's easier to procure for now

 

[HelensNepenthe]

Hate to be that guy, isn't this breaking the rules on sourcing? Sourcing would (just imo include synthesis). Again Idk
I've heard it's painful but quick, it's hard to find even on the darknet. I'd go with SN since it's easier to procure for now

Sourcing is defined as personal information of providers, of yourself, of someone else, or website links to providers (e.g., amazon, ebay, onions, upload sites, independent sellers).

 

[ManWithNoName]

I didn't see the 20-minute number in the version of the book I was reading (I think it's the original 1992 version)

I'll try to find where he states this, I could also be mistaken—though I'm quite certain I read that the solution does have a shelf life.