How much N is needed?

[readytodie]

Hey,

Iam always reading about 2 bottles when someone orders from A.
How much do you actually need? 1,2 or 3? Is it different for everyone because of the weight?

 

[Marc]

I think 1 bottle would even do the trick if you get really drunk first

 

[Goldie]

Its based on weight, yes.
For me - 60kg - A advised 2 to be sure. But 1 is probably OK.
Dignitas give around 10g iirc, and you get 12g in 2 bottles from A.

 

[Goldie]

I think 1 bottle would even do the trick if you get really drunk first

1 bottle probably is OK but I would order 2 to be sure. "you only die once," its best to get it right.

 

[Chinaski]

Its based on weight, yes.
For me - 60kg - A advised 2 to be sure. But 1 is probably OK.
Dignitas give around 10g iirc, and you get 12g in 2 bottles from A.

Dignitas give 15g.

 

[diyCTB]

I say 2 bottles. I can't give you a link but if you search Google for "Danger of underdose with Mexican vet. Nembutal" you will see article that talks about this.

 

[voool]

Dignitas give 15g.

I think the Dutch use 9

 

[readytodie]

Now Iam unsure about everything

Why does Dignitas use so much if only less is needed?
In this forum, most of you guys go with 2 bottles (12g).

 

[TiredHorse]

Why does Dignitas use so much if only less is needed?

To make absolutely certain it works. It would be very bad PR if a Dignitas patron later woke up...

Go with two bottles, @readytodie. It's a time-tested protocol.

 

[readytodie]

To make absolutely certain it works. It would be very bad PR if a Dignitas patron later woke up...

Go with two bottles, @readytodie. It's a time-tested protocol.

But I also want to be absolutely certain

What exactly do you mean with "time-tested" protocol?

 

[TiredHorse]

What exactly do you mean with "time-tested" protocol?

My sense is that two bottles has been a successful formula for ctb in the past: enough to get the job done with confidence, and without the expense of three bottles. However, as you know, it's based on weight, so if you're a big person you might want to go with three bottles.

 

[Schopenhauer]

But I also want to be absolutely certain

What exactly do you mean with "time-tested" protocol?

Even 1 bottle should be enough. But two allows you to be sure. If you're that worried, add Dilantin (phenytoin). Even people with tolerance to barbiturates should be good to go this way.

 

[Chinaski]

Now Iam unsure about everything

Why does Dignitas use so much if only less is needed?
In this forum, most of you guys go with 2 bottles (12g).

Minimum lethal dose is 6. Dignitas use 15 to make absolutely certain, the Dutch use only 9, but will inject a muscle relaxant after 2 hours if you're still living to nudge you on, apparently. 12.6 is obviously half way between.

 

[TheLastTrip]

Why does Dignitas use so much if only less is needed?

Dignitas also use a powdered form that gets mixed, so they don't care about the amount, they can do 15g in 50ml of water as easy as 6/9g and I assume the taste is so bad it doesn't affect that either.

Personally if I get my hands on it I would be happy with 2 bottles, 1 bottle I would not trust (myself, just my opinion) just because I'd really really want to make sure!

 

[Goldie]

Dignitas also use a powdered form that gets mixed, so they don't care about the amount, they can do 15g in 50ml of water as easy as 6/9g and I assume the taste is so bad it doesn't affect that either.

Personally if I get my hands on it I would be happy with 2 bottles, 1 bottle I would not trust (myself, just my opinion) just because I'd really really want to make sure!

Yes, and you wouldn't want to wake up a vegatable

 

[Idorus]

Minimum lethal dose is 6. Dignitas use 15 to make absolutely certain, the Dutch use only 9, but will inject a muscle relaxant after 2 hours if you're still living to nudge you on, apparently. 12.6 is obviously half way between.

The Dutch use 15 these days unfortunately;

Appendix VIII Most important differences with regard to the 2007 edition of the Standards for Euthanasia.

7. Oral method The dose of pentobarbital or secobarbital has been increased from 9 grams to 15 grams. In Switzerland, experience shows that for doses of 15 grams, 98% of the patients die within 30 minutes (unpublished data). For doses of 9 grams, 70% die within 30 minutes and 87% within 60 minutes (unpublished data). Due to the large quantity, 15 grams of pentobarbital or secobarbital cannot easily be mixed into a pot of yoghurt. For this reason, it is advised that pentobarbital or secobarbital powder is no longer mixed with yoghurt.
https://www.knmp.nl/downloads/guidelines-for-the-practice-of-euthanasia.pdf/view (page 44)

 

[Chinaski]

Thanks for that, good info.

 

[readytodie]

Thanks for that, good info.

indeed