I think a lot in my case.
When I was in college I alway tried to hide mental health issues as good as possible. Later some people found out I had disability compensation and stuff like that. One guy told he never suspected anything (which surprised me) he was also a little bit nervous because he joked with other people about suicide and depression when I was in the group chat too.
My self-help group experiences didn't feel good anymore. In the toxic college self-help group if you explained you felt bad about something they used it as a weapon against you. It was pretty insane. It also wasn't genuine anymore.
I also have the feeling many self-help group aren't genuine anyway. Most people only want to present a certain image of themselves. It wasn't real.
I am not sure whether I am the same exact person on SaSu like with my closest friends. There are some dark humor jokes I do that would be very inapproriate for this forum. There once was a thread with dark humor on here and I was a critic of that. It were not the same dark humor jokes I do. But for me I can only make dark humor jokes with people I know enough about. People who get it is a joke and don't take it serious. People that don't get offended by it. Genuinely good people. And I think all of my friends try to be good people.
Whereas in the dark humor thread it felt for me more like that some people were genuinely racist and they only used memes as a defense. If you post such memes on a public forum there will be people out there who take it serious. Who are not good people. And just use humor as a facade to get the leeway as defense for being an asshole. Ask the German police there were many embarrassing Nazi group chats leaked. Is it a chillling effect I only feel safe to say it on here?
I think I can be very real on here. More real than even with many of my friends (except two). And I can be more real than in any self-help group I was in. I recently watched a TV show about the topic "Genes and environment what influences mental health issues more?". And at one point they discussed the psychiatry. One person criticized the psychiatry for relying too much on compulsory measures. At the same time the person said the psychiatry is a place where you discuss things more openly than anywhere else. Things that are not sayable anywhere else. It reminded me of my time in the clinic for people with psychosis. There were a lot of insane people sharing delusions. Religious ones, being extremely attractive when it wasn't the case, wanting to slap women in the same school class on the ass and stuff like that. You know in some way they are right usually this isn't said anywher else. Maybe except online in some places. There also was a nurse saying that maybe the insane people are actually the sane people and the sane people were insane. After one person alluded to know "the truth". "The actual truth". Without explaining what he meant. That normal for psychotic people.
There is a very good quote of Erich Fromm.
It was also shown in the TV show.
Erich Fromm:"The normal ones are the sickest, and the sick are the healthiest. That sounds witty or perhaps exaggerated, but I am completely serious in the end. It is not a funny formula.
The person who is sick shows that in him, certain human things are not yet so suppressed that they come into conflict with the... with the patterns of culture, and that because these reactions produce symptoms—the symptom is, after all, like pain, only an indication that something is wrong. Happy the one who has a symptom! Like happy the one who has pain when something is missing.
We know that if a human being would feel no pain, he would be in a very dangerous situation. But very many people—that means the 'normal' ones—are so adjusted, they have so much abandoned everything that is their own, they have become so alienated, so instrumentalized, so robotic, that they don't even feel a conflict anymore. That means their real feeling, their love, their hate, is already so repressed or even so withered that they present the image of a chronic mild schizophrenia."
Interviewer:"Do you see the causes for this in our society?"
Erich Fromm:"Well, the causes seem to me to be quite obvious. Our society is built on the principle that the goal of life is: the greater production—as compensation, yet as necessity—the greater consumption; and that the economy is it, and the progress of the economy, the progress of technology—that is what we live for. Not the human being."
I will end it here. Personally, I didn't have the feeling open and honest talks about suicide were welcomed in the psychiatry. Actually, it was prohibited.
When I was in college I alway tried to hide mental health issues as good as possible. Later some people found out I had disability compensation and stuff like that. One guy told he never suspected anything (which surprised me) he was also a little bit nervous because he joked with other people about suicide and depression when I was in the group chat too.
My self-help group experiences didn't feel good anymore. In the toxic college self-help group if you explained you felt bad about something they used it as a weapon against you. It was pretty insane. It also wasn't genuine anymore.
I also have the feeling many self-help group aren't genuine anyway. Most people only want to present a certain image of themselves. It wasn't real.
I am not sure whether I am the same exact person on SaSu like with my closest friends. There are some dark humor jokes I do that would be very inapproriate for this forum. There once was a thread with dark humor on here and I was a critic of that. It were not the same dark humor jokes I do. But for me I can only make dark humor jokes with people I know enough about. People who get it is a joke and don't take it serious. People that don't get offended by it. Genuinely good people. And I think all of my friends try to be good people.
Whereas in the dark humor thread it felt for me more like that some people were genuinely racist and they only used memes as a defense. If you post such memes on a public forum there will be people out there who take it serious. Who are not good people. And just use humor as a facade to get the leeway as defense for being an asshole. Ask the German police there were many embarrassing Nazi group chats leaked. Is it a chillling effect I only feel safe to say it on here?
I think I can be very real on here. More real than even with many of my friends (except two). And I can be more real than in any self-help group I was in. I recently watched a TV show about the topic "Genes and environment what influences mental health issues more?". And at one point they discussed the psychiatry. One person criticized the psychiatry for relying too much on compulsory measures. At the same time the person said the psychiatry is a place where you discuss things more openly than anywhere else. Things that are not sayable anywhere else. It reminded me of my time in the clinic for people with psychosis. There were a lot of insane people sharing delusions. Religious ones, being extremely attractive when it wasn't the case, wanting to slap women in the same school class on the ass and stuff like that. You know in some way they are right usually this isn't said anywher else. Maybe except online in some places. There also was a nurse saying that maybe the insane people are actually the sane people and the sane people were insane. After one person alluded to know "the truth". "The actual truth". Without explaining what he meant. That normal for psychotic people.
There is a very good quote of Erich Fromm.
It was also shown in the TV show.
Erich Fromm:"The normal ones are the sickest, and the sick are the healthiest. That sounds witty or perhaps exaggerated, but I am completely serious in the end. It is not a funny formula.
The person who is sick shows that in him, certain human things are not yet so suppressed that they come into conflict with the... with the patterns of culture, and that because these reactions produce symptoms—the symptom is, after all, like pain, only an indication that something is wrong. Happy the one who has a symptom! Like happy the one who has pain when something is missing.
We know that if a human being would feel no pain, he would be in a very dangerous situation. But very many people—that means the 'normal' ones—are so adjusted, they have so much abandoned everything that is their own, they have become so alienated, so instrumentalized, so robotic, that they don't even feel a conflict anymore. That means their real feeling, their love, their hate, is already so repressed or even so withered that they present the image of a chronic mild schizophrenia."
Interviewer:"Do you see the causes for this in our society?"
Erich Fromm:"Well, the causes seem to me to be quite obvious. Our society is built on the principle that the goal of life is: the greater production—as compensation, yet as necessity—the greater consumption; and that the economy is it, and the progress of the economy, the progress of technology—that is what we live for. Not the human being."
I will end it here. Personally, I didn't have the feeling open and honest talks about suicide were welcomed in the psychiatry. Actually, it was prohibited.
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