How lethal is SN really?

[Fardarmist]

In a study published by a university student about SN suicide usage. It was a pdf file I read online. a male user ingested 25 grams of SN dissolved in an undisclosed amount of water. Yet he stayed alive while paramedics were able to reach him and transport him to the hospital. He later died at the hospital the time frame is undisclosed. However it stands to say he was alive at least an hour. Pictures showed how black his blood was and how shriveled and blackened his organs turned to. His body also shriveled as expected from the sodium compounds. What worries me is SN was thought of in my mind as a fairly lethal form of suicide. If this person lived for an hour during that I wouldn't call that very lethal.

 

[zaxxy1810]

Can you provide a link to that study. Thanks.

 

[uniqueusername4]

Should be lethal unless the SN isn't pure, here are some megathreads on the topic: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-megathread.1156/ & https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-method-comprehensive-guide-sn-method.121672/

Do you have a link to the study?

 

[divinemistress36]

i heard it takes 40 min to hour to die but people usually go unconcious around 15-20 min

 

[Unspoken7612]

An hour to die is really bloody lethal.

COVID-19 at its peak was killing about 3% of the infected in about a week. If you don't vomit then 30g of pure SN has a 99.9% chance of killing you within two hours (probably less).

Or compare it to jumping in front of a train, where something like 20% of people survive - and that's generally considered (in the literature) one of the deadlier methods, compared to paracetamol overdose or slitting your wrists or partial suspension.

Timeframe? Compare SN to VSED, or the opposite, trying to kill yourself through obesity. Much quicker.

 

[Fardarmist]

Should be lethal unless the SN isn't pure, here are some megathreads on the topic: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-megathread.1156/ & https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-method-comprehensive-guide-sn-method.121672/

Do you have a link to the study?

It had been a while since I read it but still doesn't explain everything. To clear up some contradictions to my post going off of memory they were giving him cpr in the ambulance which seems to indicate he went unconscious there.

Fatal methaemoglobinemia due to intentional sodium nitrite ingestion | BMJ Case Reports

 

[uniqueusername4]

It had been a while since I read it but still doesn't explain everything. To clear up some contradictions to my post going off of memory they were giving him cpr in the ambulance which seems to indicate he went unconscious there.

Fatal methaemoglobinemia due to intentional sodium nitrite ingestion | BMJ Case Reports

Wow this is good info. This guy took the SN and then called EMS. Idk how long it took him to call but when EMS got there he was only sleepy/drowsy, he wasn't unconscious yet and they still couldn't save him. That to me is giving very lethal. Don't take this stuff unless you're 100% sure you want to die. Thanks for the link!

 

[Fardarmist]

Wow this is good info. This guy took the SN and then called EMS. Idk how long it took him to call but when EMS got there he was only sleepy/drowsy, he wasn't unconscious yet and they still couldn't save him. That to me is giving very lethal. Don't take this stuff unless you're 100% sure you want to die. Thanks for the link!

For most suicides I'll assume he called almost immediately. That being said between the call them dispatch an ambulance to his location picking him up, etc. this guy was awake and alive for something like 15 to 20 minutes. 6 g is supposed to be the most lethal amount yet he took 25 g and was still alive and conscious for upwards of 20 minutes.

 

[uniqueusername4]

For most suicides I'll assume he called almost immediately. That being said between the call them dispatch an ambulance to his location picking him up, etc. this guy was awake and alive for something like 15 to 20 minutes. 6 g is supposed to be the most lethal amount yet he took 25 g and was still alive and conscious for upwards of 20 minutes.

I think that is generally what the benzos are for, they can help knock you out quicker. The writing didn't mention it so we don't know if this attempt included benzos or not, but even 15-20 mins I would be okay with. That still seems pretty quick. I tell myself up to 40 mins so I wont freak out but I hope I'm not just watching the time anyway.

 

[Fardarmist]

I think that is generally what the benzos are for, they can help knock you out quicker. The writing didn't mention it so we don't know if this attempt included benzos or not, but even 15-20 mins I would be okay with. That still seems pretty quick. I tell myself up to 40 mins so I wont freak out but I hope I'm not just watching the time anyway.

I was just hoping for something more instant. I worry how concentrated it has to be yet too concentrated and I'd worry I'd vomit. Didn't really want to be awake and alive to feel the effects of me dying too long. I know there's more deadly drugs and poisons out there they're just not widely available.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

If you want instantaneous, use a shotgun.

 

[Fardarmist]

If you want instantaneous, use a shotgun.

That would work but because of a previous teenage suicide attempt I'm not allowed to purchase a gun.

 

[sevennn]

oof. shrivelled up? do you have a link?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

That would work but because of a previous teenage suicide attempt I'm not allowed to purchase a gun.

Just making a point about "relative" instantaneity. Sorry you're not "legally" able to aquire a shotgun, ahem, ahem.

 

[Fardarmist]

Just making a point about "relative" instantaneity. Sorry you're not "legally" able to aquire a shotgun, ahem, ahem.

I understand. Unless I can find someone to purchase a gun for me. Right now my only option seems to be SN. Unless of course you are alluring to another option for me.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I understand. Unless I can find someone to purchase a gun for me. Right now my only option seems to be SN. Unless of course you are alluring to another option for me.

U states?

 

[Fardarmist]

U states?

Michigan

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Michigan

Well, you're in the heart of gun country. Howdy neighbor lol. I'm NOT telling you to break the law, but you have heard about gun shows, right? All I'll say is i've never been to a single gun show where there WEREN'T non-FFL sellers there.

 

[Fardarmist]

Well, you're in the heart of gun country. Howdy neighbor lol. I'm NOT telling you to break the law, but you have heard about gun shows, right? All I'll say is i've never been to a single gun show where there WEREN'T non-FFL sellers there.

I've heard mixed reports on that but I'll have to check them out to see. I thought about it but I heard since Biden they made it so they have to. Looking online seemed to suggest most require checks but I can start looking around and going. Thanks for the info

 

[willitpass]

There isn't an exact number. And it would be exceptionally hard to quantify since there's so many people here who take it, fail, and never seek medical attention, and as such wouldn't appear in any study trying to calculate lethality. If I had to guess based on goodbye thread here that are confirmed survivals vs unknown vs confirmed deaths, Id estimate 50-60% or so. But many people don't follow protocol, which skews the numbers towards failure.

 

[justpathetic]

That would work but because of a previous teenage suicide attempt I'm not allowed to purchase a gun.

Depending on where you live there's no background check on long guns. If you live somewhere there is go to another area if possible. M go BLUE MI is my home state grew up west of flint.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I've heard mixed reports on that but I'll have to check them out to see. I thought about it but I heard since Biden they made it so they have to. Looking online seemed to suggest most require checks but I can start looking around and going. Thanks for the info

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/politics/gun-show-loophole-injunction-texas-kacsmaryk/index.html

 

[Fardarmist]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/politics/gun-show-loophole-injunction-texas-kacsmaryk/index.html

Looking online for private sellers in Texas on old style websites they all require license to carry proof or to meet up at the police station. Even though the license isn't required in Texas I haven't talked to any of them that haven't asked for a copy of it from me before a meet up. Going to real dealers just requires the gun sent to a registered guns dealer so they can do a background check. I've done this same check in Michigan I could go to a gun show here in Michigan although I'll feel awkward if they ask to see my cpl to make the purchase only to say I don't have it. They might report my behavior to the police so I'm uncertain of a lot of things.

 

[hdahsa]

SN is not lethal per se - otherwise it would not be used for meat curing. I mean it is not like cyanide or other poisons. What SN does it it prevents oxygen from being transported to your organs (hence the blue coloration) and that causes the shutdown. Time can vary from 20 to 40 mins.

Of course the downsides are the salty taste, being discovered early, vomiting and taking too little of SN.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Looking online for private sellers in Texas on old style websites they all require license to carry proof or to meet up at the police station. Even though the license isn't required in Texas I haven't talked to any of them that haven't asked for a copy of it from me before a meet up. Going to real dealers just requires the gun sent to a registered guns dealer so they can do a background check. I've done this same check in Michigan I could go to a gun show here in Michigan although I'll feel awkward if they ask to see my cpl to make the purchase only to say I don't have it. They might report my behavior to the police so I'm uncertain of a lot of things.

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/michigan/

 

[athiestjoe]

If it is the right quality and paramedics are not called, it is a very effective method (I am not suggesting you or anyone use it, just answering the question on how lethal it is and basing that off the numerous medical articles and med journals which detail the lethality of it for educational purposes).

 

[Fardarmist]

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/michigan/

I thought about that, but the issue I came across was to my understanding in Michigan. You still need a permit to purchase a firearm. Even if it's a shotgun or rifle you still need that permit. And to get that permit you have to to go to a police station. The police have to have documented my suicide attempt in the past. Those who I talked to online as private sellers often time want to meet up at the police station to get that permit. So I'm not sure if Id have more success going to an actual dealer, trying to acquire a shotgun or rifle. All of it's been a lot of risk because I don't wanna go out and do something like that and have my actions or questions meet the local authorities attention.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I thought about that, but the issue I came across was to my understanding in Michigan. You still need a permit to purchase a firearm. Even if it's a shotgun or rifle you still need that permit. And to get that permit you have to to go to a police station. The police have to have documented my suicide attempt in the past. Those who I talked to online as private sellers often time want to meet up at the police station to get that permit. So I'm not sure if Id have more success going to an actual dealer, trying to acquire a shotgun or rifle. All of it's been a lot of risk because I don't wanna go out and do something like that and have my actions or questions meet the local authorities attention.

Purchase

No permit is required for the purchase of a rifle or shotgun.

 

[Fardarmist]

Purchase

No permit is required for the purchase of a rifle or shotgun.

Dealers it is then. It may not be required by law but individuals can require it for the sale of their guns.

Purchase

No permit is required for the purchase of a rifle or shotgun.

Background Check Procedures in Michigan

Research Michigan state laws on background check procedures, including what is regulated and what's not. Find related gun law details from Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence today.

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But this would state otherwise unless my only hope is a gun show that doesn't check or require a permit.

 

[suffering_mo_7]

There isn't an exact number. And it would be exceptionally hard to quantify since there's so many people here who take it, fail, and never seek medical attention, and as such wouldn't appear in any study trying to calculate lethality. If I had to guess based on goodbye thread here that are confirmed survivals vs unknown vs confirmed deaths, Id estimate 50-60% or so. But many people don't follow protocol, which skews the numbers towards failure.

What are your thoughts on it being lethal if you do NOT call for help? Even with vomiting, which seems to happen with or without anti-anemics, some people just a few minutes after ingesting.

I have been raked over the coals by disputing that it's not 100% "as long as it's pure, as long as you don't get help or aren't found."