Leucosticte

Leucosticte

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Jan 19, 2019
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The Berlin Wall was built to keep East Germans from going over into the free world. The Soviets were worried about a brain drain if they let people freely leave to go to a place where they wouldn't be so unhappy.

The psychiatrists are the same way. They say, "You can't leave; if you say you're going to leave, we'll have the cops use physical force to stop you." They want to keep you in this world so you can continue making contributions to this society, even if you're not happy here.

As long as you remain alive, you'll be under social pressure to pretend to be happy, and that will make this country look, to the casual observer, as though it's not as inhumane and dysfunctional a place as it really is. They can propagandize all they want about what a great country this is, but suicide statistics don't lie, which is why they don't want you to become one of those statistics; it would serve as irrefutable evidence that there are some misfits in our society whose needs aren't being taken care of.

The Berlin Wall was a barrier keeping ALL East Germans in. It didn't matter what your situation was; you could be disabled, terminally ill, childless, friendless, whatever. Even if you had nothing really going for you where you were, they would still say, "You can't leave" because it would look bad if there were massive numbers of people wanting to get out of there.

But of course, the existence of the Wall itself made terrible propaganda, because why would you need a wall unless your country was such a shithole that people would want to leave everything behind to get out? Similarly, the fact that the state needs to have laws against suicide shows that they're worried people might have a reason to want to kill themselves.

They're worried that not just the crazy, but the not-crazy, might want to leave; because after all, if it were only the crazy people wanting to leave, why would they care? It's the not-crazy people they're worried about, because some of them might make useful contributions, if they're forced to continue participating in the daily grind. But they have to have a uniform policy across the board, to hide the true nature of what they're trying to accomplish.

At any rate, it would demoralize the productive members of society to see their friends and family members killing themselves; they might get the idea that maybe it's a good solution to their problems. The reality is that suicide has a lot of advantages over other means of dealing with stress, such as drinking; at least if you hang yourself, you won't kill anyone on the roadways, or die of a bad liver. But society wants to say that a slow and agonizing life and death are both normal, even if your own body and mind say otherwise.

First world countries don't need a border wall to keep people in, because people know they have nowhere better to go. But they have one final wall, the prohibition against suicide, to keep people from escaping the world entirely. If they think you're suicidal, they actually will put you in a place where there's a physical wall which they use to try to cut off your access to the means of suicide.

I say, "Tear down this wall!"
 
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Thank you for writing this text. I like your thoughts very much.

Edit: you also seem to know history, which is very cool!
 
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21Neberg

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I think you've written a great post, a truly great point of view I hadn't thought of before. We really are surrounded by this wall.
 
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NoChoice

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Jan 28, 2019
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Great viewpoint I'm not even really sure how to directly respond or if this even needs a response.. more of a statement but thanks for that. I will say at some point I realized the government doesn't want us dead, they want us to function as obedient wage slaves and they do a damn good job of making that so. We're taught suicide is a morality issue and is a selfish mistake from school teachings to religion to media portrayal when in reality nothing in nature tells us that it is wrong other than the fact that we will cease to live, which isn't always a bad thing for some people in certain situations. Psychiatry isn't treatment its a business that functions to make money, big pharma pays politicians to keep natural drugs illegal that actually cure depression like psilocybin, ketamine and sometimes cannabis all while pushing toxic pills that have so many side effects that end up putting the patient in a much worse position they were already in, while using them as lab rats and prescribing way more medication than needed. They commonly pay off billion dollar lawsuits for things like lying about side effects with ease because they are making so much money. Prison is the same way, people rot in prison for nonviolence all for profit. As a kid you think wow if someone is hurt an ambulance rushes to save their life, that is love, people are great! Then you come to realize no, the ambulance are workers on a payed mission to rescue the wage slave and slap them with a huge medical bill they probably can't afford. The more I learn about the world the more I see society as harvested cash crops that produce wealth and power for the government and people at the top of hierarchies and I can make multiple strong arguments I don't care to present at the moment... Beautiful universe and planet, disgusting evil greedy species with a few exceptions. Evil prevails yet again the way I see it.
 
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TheCrow

TheCrow

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Sep 26, 2018
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Great metaphor. Good post.
 
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Psychiatry isn't treatment its a business that functions to make money, big pharma pays politicians to keep natural drugs illegal that actually cure depression like psilocybin, ketamine and sometimes cannabis all while pushing toxic pills that have so many side effects that end up putting the patient in a much worse position they were already in, while using them as lab rats and prescribing way more
Say it again for the people in the back!
 
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Pointless

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I will not put all that in a political way, DDR was surely a better state than the ones we live in.
 
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NoChoice

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Jan 28, 2019
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I will not put all that in a political way, DDR was surely a better state than the ones we live in.
I don't see how anything could be worse than living in a society of brainwashed slaves who don't even know they are slaves.
 
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TheCrow

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Sep 26, 2018
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big pharma ruin your life too?
I've had many, many problems with meds, but I especially liked that you said that they're keeping natural cures away from us like psilocybin, ketamine, cannabis, etc. If it'll expand your mind, the government says no!
 
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NoChoice

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Jan 28, 2019
207
I've had many, many problems with meds, but I especially liked that you said that they're keeping natural cures away from us like psilocybin, ketamine, cannabis, etc. If it'll expand your mind, the government says no!
Those sick bastards ): I'm sorry honestly. Expand the mind, raise awareness, threaten obedience and threaten their PROFITS! That's all they care about is money and control, they're pure evil I finally understand. Life could've been soooooooo beautiful but other people in control have ruined it for so many of us. It really brings out a violent side of me, but I know there's nothing I can do to change it at this point. I'm a pacifist and don't even like killing bugs for example, but these laws make me want to... end some people.
 
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Those sick bastards ): I'm sorry honestly. Expand the mind, raise awareness, threaten obedience and threaten their PROFITS! That's all they care about is money and control, they're pure evil I finally understand. Life could've been soooooooo beautiful but other people in control have ruined it for so many of us. It really brings out a violent side of me, but I know there's nothing I can do to change it at this point. I'm a pacifist and don't even like killing bugs for example, but these laws make me want to... end some people.
Totally. Think how different the world would be if having access to/using natural, consciousness-expanding drugs was just a normal part of life. I'd like to think things would be a whole lot more peaceful and relationships would be stronger.
 
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NoChoice

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Jan 28, 2019
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Totally. Think how different the world would be if having access to/using natural, consciousness-expanding drugs was just a normal part of life. I'd like to think things would be a whole lot more peaceful and relationships would be stronger.
That's how nature intended it, then these greedy bastards prohibited for a number of selfish reasons.. hindering the development of humanity. We have no rights, its pathetic.. i refuse to be a slave and subject to control for any longer. Not to mention they somehow managed to convince my parents to pay for a surgery that mutilated my genitals as a fucking newborn baby, cutting off foreskin one of the most sensitive parts of the penis, losing 75% of nerve endings in my penis. Another reason to ctb.. circumcision, psychedelics illegal, poison drugs legal, government corruption and religious lies.. its too much for me I will be gone soon. I wish I was born either much earlier or much later, this time is so stupid to me. people think we have it all figured out when everything is corrupt and backwards, I honestly live in fucking disbelief at the bullshit everyday. wow wow wow
 
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TheCrow

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Sep 26, 2018
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Not to mention they somehow managed to convince my parents to pay for a surgery that mutilated my genitals as a fucking newborn baby, cutting off foreskin one of the most sensitive parts of the penis, losing 75% of nerve endings in my penis. Another reason to ctb.. circumcision
That whole concept is really barbaric, isn't it?If a doctor wanted to cut off part of my vagina as a baby? Umm...what?!

 
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NoChoice

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Jan 28, 2019
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That whole concept is really barbaric, isn't it?If a doctor wanted to cut off part of my vagina as a baby? Umm...what?!



Hahaha yeah well they cut off the clitoris in some countries which is probably even more detrimental than foreskin, would not have guessed you're female by the way. and omg I love adam ruins everything and I saw that one, but I think he kind of downplays it. Everyone downplays it, you can orgasm and even multiple orgasm just from the foreskin, it's really a big deal.. I'm devastated the more I learn, it's an awful feeling. Not to mention the head being exposed, it gets desensitized from friction, its all just very uncomfortable to think about. Most guys don't wanna believe it but they've been robbed of a huge amount of sensitivity and pleasure potential.
 
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TheCrow

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Sep 26, 2018
802
Hahaha yeah well they cut off the clitoris in some countries which is probably even more detrimental than foreskin, would not have guessed you're female by the way. and omg I love adam ruins everything and I saw that one, but I think he kind of downplays it. Everyone downplays it, you can orgasm and even multiple orgasm just from the foreskin, it's really a big deal.. I'm devastated the more I learn, it's an awful feeling. Not to mention the head being exposed, it gets desensitized from friction, its all just very uncomfortable to think about. Most guys don't wanna believe it but they've been robbed of a huge amount of sensitivity and pleasure potential.
Fuck, I know all about FGM, and I can't even think about that for more than 6 seconds. Ugh. Dude, I really feel for you. If I learned all that and the decision had been made for me, I would be not be happy. I'm really sorry that this has affected you so much. I can understand why.
 
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NoChoice

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Jan 28, 2019
207
Fuck, I know all about FGM, and I can't even think about that for more than 6 seconds. Ugh. Dude, I really feel for you. If I learned all that and the decision had been made for me, I would be not be happy. I'm really sorry that this has affected you so much. I can understand why.

Well, thanks lol. I feel for myself tbh, it's the one thing I can really call my parents out on and say hey what the fuck were you thinking? Other than that my parents are like angels in this world, I didn't deserve them and I let them down, they weren't perfect and believed some crazy shit but relatively they are the best I could ask for. Really I was in denial, but after my mental state was ruined its been easier for me to look at things like that more objectively and just admit how fucked up it is. I've realized a lot of things like that that I was subconsciously ignoring in order to feel better about myself and the world, that now are just making it easier for me to ctb and not feel guilty about it.
 
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TheCrow

Invisible Spirit
Sep 26, 2018
802
Well, thanks lol. I feel for myself tbh, it's the one thing I can really call my parents out on and say hey what the fuck were you thinking? Other than that my parents are like angels in this world, I didn't deserve them and I let them down, they weren't perfect and believed some crazy shit but relatively they are the best I could ask for. Really I was in denial, but after my mental state was ruined its been easier for me to look at things like that more objectively and just admit how fucked up it is. I've realized a lot of things like that that I was subconsciously ignoring in order to feel better about myself and the world, that now are just making it easier for me to ctb and not feel guilty about it.
I so get that. I think I have a certain degree of denial, or perhaps depersonization, or detachment, that is necessary for me to get by day by day without throwing myself out the window.
 
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Thewhowithin69

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Dec 31, 2018
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That whole concept is really barbaric, isn't it?If a doctor wanted to cut off part of my vagina as a baby? Umm...what?!



This is an example of all that's wrong in our western world view....they call us modern and advanced...I call it owned by a fiarytale!? But guess as a woman I'm grateful I don't live where the same for our gender is true.....I seriously hate religions of every kind it seems!

But thanks for sharing the video I actually liked this guy!! Never watched him before and you helped me go several hours down the YouTube trail ;)
 
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TheCrow

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Sep 26, 2018
802
This is an example of all that's wrong in our western world view....they call us modern and advanced...I call it owned by a fiarytale!? But guess as a woman I'm grateful I don't live where the same for our gender is true.....I seriously hate religions of every kind it seems!

But thanks for sharing the video I actually liked this guy!! Never watched him before and you helped me go several hours down the YouTube trail ;)
Yeah, I can't imagine living in a country where they do FGM. And it's typically carried out by family members. Nope. Can't think about it anymore. Makes me stabby.
 
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Yeah, I can't imagine living in a country where they do FGM. And it's typically carried out by family members. Nope. Can't think about it anymore. Makes me stabby.

Those countries don't have an exclusive hold on family members hurting their family members, they are simply unapologetic and open about their role....not sure that's any worse. Most people think I'm just crazy and making shit up when I admit my father, who was a well respected doctor, was also part of a cult and did some truly unspeakable things to children I knew and myself. Talk about stabby....thankfully he's dead now but damn he was an amazing Dr heckel/Mr Hyde and noone would have guess....fmg might have been a kindness without trying to invalidate their pain!! Twisted shitty family all over the world, imo....and that they do it in the name of god/faith is just insult on injury!! Talk about mindfucked....ya ok sorry now I'm stabby feeling!!
 
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Dec 26, 2018
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The Berlin Wall was built to keep East Germans from going over into the free world.
"Free world"
Yeah, this late capitalist nightmare we live in sure is "the free world".
If somebody quotes Orwell at me I'm gonna have a fit, I swear to god.
 
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TheCrow

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Those countries don't have an exclusive hold on family members hurting their family members, they are simply unapologetic and open about their role....not sure that's any worse. Most people think I'm just crazy and making shit up when I admit my father, who was a well respected doctor, was also part of a cult and did some truly unspeakable things to children I knew and myself. Talk about stabby....thankfully he's dead now but damn he was an amazing Dr heckel/Mr Hyde and noone would have guess....fmg might have been a kindness without trying to invalidate their pain!! Twisted shitty family all over the world, imo....and that they do it in the name of god/faith is just insult on injury!! Talk about mindfucked....ya ok sorry now I'm stabby feeling!!
What!!! That actually makes me sick to my stomach. I am so sorry. Fuck. Ugh. Omg, that is so terrible. There has to be a hell for people who've hurt children.
 
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