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freedommatrix

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It's ironic how suffering is a driver that gives people hope in a God and a driver for people away from religion and the concept of God entirely.

Most people believe in the religion they were raised that suggest it's cultural.
 
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Fragile

Fragile

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because they don't think about whether god exists or nor, they were raised into believing that god exists period, not only that but the bible or whatever book of faith they've been reading tells them that god has a plan and they should never question it, doubting god is one of the greatest sins and every time they suffer, they do it for a reason.

also many religions believe in martyrdom of some sort, the idea that those who suffer are the most virtuous so it is a good thing in the end. so you can't question god, can't control what happen in your life and you should just accept all the bad stuff that makes you suffer. religions are about control and they do it extremely well.

i was raised catholic and still have that fear instilled in me, even if i don't believe in anything, there is always that doubt. that goes to show just how hard it is to break out of religion, and why they make it so clear that kids should be indoctrinated as soon as they have the ability to think, just build their minds around the idea of god so they can't escape once they grow up.
 
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TheSoulless

TheSoulless

I'd like to fly but my wings have been so denied
Jan 7, 2020
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Religious people want to shield themselves from the painful truth of life. They've been provided with a convenient explanation, so it's easy to just go with it.
 
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WhyIsLife56

WhyIsLife56

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Nov 4, 2019
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The end up believing in it and get brainwashed so much that end up having Stockholm Syndrome with life and existence itself. They're all equally traumatized as the non religious ones.
 
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BabyYoda

BabyYoda

F*ck this sh!t I'm out
Dec 30, 2019
552
Confirmation bias. Like if they are "miraculously" saved from a disaster, they will give the credit to God while ignoring the other people who have died. They'll say that "God is so good!" whenever something good happens to them, and "God works in mysterious ways" when something bad happens.
 
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TowerUpright

TowerUpright

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May 26, 2019
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Like baby Yoda implied, it's a "heads I win, tails you lose" proposition.

But, to be a hundred percent honest, many people who have doubts in close knit communities, don have any other option than to go with the flow. Especially small Baptist, Pentecostal, charismatic, or Mormon Faiths. You could find your job in jeopardy, family broken apart, etc. Just better to go with the motions.

Put another way, if you were to ask a person with strong religious beliefs (like a10 out of 10) what factual or anecdotal evidence would it take for your faith to move down to a 9.8?? If their answer is "nothing..", then facts and circumstances aren't really at play here.

But even I can't argue that many (not all) Christian NGOs are doing things for poor in other countries that other groups won't even go to.
 
Wayfaerer

Wayfaerer

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I never expected to live in a utopia or any kind of perfect world, but the way things are... It's so fucked. You can't argue with the religious because they will defend their delusion tooth-and-nail because that is their coping mechanism.
 
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Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
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More people in the world believe in goddesses or multiple gods.

Then there is the Church of the Spaghetti Monster....
 
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Thereisnothing

Thereisnothing

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Jan 4, 2020
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I am spiritual, not religious. My beliefs are earth/nature based, I hope what I believe will be right when I cross over into the spirit world. I truly believe in spirit and after world. Years ago I had a spell where I was religious but all I did was keep asking questions, which never got any answers for. Which led me to get frustrated. I look at the world and think there is no way we can have one 'God'. He is meant to be loving and caring and yet the state of the place..........religious people tell me its all mans doing and we create our own sins. Well I dont believe that, ok we are responsible for our actions yes, but no way are we able to have a say in what goes on in life as for the most its taken out of our hands and we are just having to deal with happens to us and what we are dealt.
I believe in Mother Earth, for me she looks after us and the planet to best her abilities, but now she is struggling with state of her natural world.
 
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
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I have done a lot of research on this in recent months. There is no evidence that a god exists. No being has ever stepped in to rescue us from one another or to change the trajectories of the worst we can do. I couldn't understand why evolution would screw us into believing in illusions. I was and still am quite hurt by it.

Gautama Buddha said that gods exist but do not engage with us or intervene in our lives. But he often said conflicting things. He said that he had been Brahma in a previous incarnation, and that when he attained what he called perfect enlightenment, Brahma approached him and convinced him to share his teachings because there existed those who had little dust in their eyes and were ready to attain enlightenment.

I've read that a benefit of believing in a god helps self-regulation of emotions. Many religions view god as a parental figure, and there have been studies (I do not have the sources) that show the same areas of the brain that relate to parental attachment activate in response to one's belief in god.

This makes sense when I consider that "God" seems to justify people doing horrible things to each other. It is higher support for or rejection of certain actions, much like getting encouragement or discipline from a parent. It provides a way for cultures to regulate the social aspects of interdependent beings, such as the ten commandments, the five precepts of Buddhism and Jainism (spiritual but not religious pursuits).

We are also both blessed and screwed by the evolution of our brains that created language. Language is symbolic. The word represents the thing but is not the thing, and relating to the OP's comment about culture, "God" varies from culture to culture. When I hear the word "tree," I have the internal referent of an oak tree; someone on a different continent would think of an entirely different type of tree when they hear the word. But we could agree in a general sense about the word-symbol "tree," and all cultures can agree on the concept of a god as being non-human and having powers that humans do not. Based on that description, we reach out to something that has greater power as we do to a parent when we are young. In some cultures, there are multiple gods and demons which represent the best and worst of human qualities. Ultimately, I think gods and devils are us, and represent what seek to attain or to destroy. Religious rituals create social cohesion and stimulate the hormone production that instigates and maintains bonding.

With symbols, we create meaning so we can manage uncertainty in a world we do not always understand. We rely on representation and creating meaning. Language serves us as social animals who are interdependent as a means of survival, and language only works if we agree upon the meaning of the symbols used. We may hear a noise and attribute it to something supernatural and scary until we learn the source, which serves our survival even if we believed in the imaginary. Trying to figure out what we don't understand and to solve problems propels pursuits of invention, philosophy, and spirituality so that we can attain more safety, certainty, and comfort. The concept of god provides safety, certainty and comfort until we know more. The more we follow the pursuits to attain these things, the more our entire species evolves, and the more the brain grows, such as the discoveries and creations of tools like fire, the wheel, creating weapons from stone, iron, and steel. We always have to protect ourselves from the elements and from others outside of our tribes. And we grow because of adversity. Stress is a requirement for adaption so that a species can survive and thrive.

So as I write, I come to some conclusions.

1) Yeah, we're fucked. I don't see how peace and world unity would fit into evolution as there is a striving in species to take over as much as they can, and limits to how many people a culture or social structure can include. Humans love, but humans also fight, are tribal, and I don't think evolution would allow that to change.

2) We are both inspired and manipulated by the symbol of "God." We do more than we are capable of because of it, and we are inhibited in reaching our potential because of it (cf. religions that give men power over women even though women are equally intelligent and capable, and often more so).

3) Religious dictates are often revelations of how humans must biologically function as social beings, and can often be simultaneously found in philosophy, such as the golden rule which is found in some form in every religion and in many schools of philosophy, such as the reciprocity found in confucianism. In the search to understand and eliminate suffering, both Buddhism and Stoicism advocate non-attachment.

4) Based on all this, I cannot reject the possibility of gods or higher beings. Such beings do not seem to benefit me as an individual, yet the striving for a connection to something higher has benefitted our species by providing the sparks for great progression, as well as retardation of achieving potential and justifying the unjust. Yet we persist in believing and striving to reach. It is an adaptive trait that serves in many ways to support us, bond us, and justify us. So I remain open, but I am also very hurt and offended by biology, evolution, and god.

5) Traits are never fully discarded when they no longer serve a species. Whales returned to the ocean yet still have some leg bones in their fins. Humans have a tail bone. Some people have a little vestigial gill that appears as a hole next to the ear. So if we stop as a species believing in and seeking god, as atheists do, then I would imagine this adaptive trait, no longer needed, would shrink and remain dormant in case it is ever needed again. Perhaps there is a god in everything that seeks some perfection we don't yet know. That tells me that God is not love. That may be one of God's traits, but there must be many, many others. It also indicates to me that if there is a being, God, then that being evolves as well.

Thanks to the OP for starting this thread and providing a space for me to work through this some more.
 
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ItHurtsToLive

i hate lifeeee
Jan 18, 2020
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Tbh i can not really blame them.They are coping with the fact that we are all alone and that there is nothing after death.
 
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because they don't think about whether god exists or nor, they were raised into believing that god exists period, not only that but the bible or whatever book of faith they've been reading tells them that god has a plan and they should never question it, doubting god is one of the greatest sins and every time they suffer, they do it for a reason.

also many religions believe in martyrdom of some sort, the idea that those who suffer are the most virtuous so it is a good thing in the end. so you can't question god, can't control what happen in your life and you should just accept all the bad stuff that makes you suffer. religions are about control and they do it extremely well.

i was raised catholic and still have that fear instilled in me, even if i don't believe in anything, there is always that doubt. that goes to show just how hard it is to break out of religion, and why they make it so clear that kids should be indoctrinated as soon as they have the ability to think, just build their minds around the idea of god so they can't escape once they grow up.
I was raised as a Catholic. I have the A levels in guilt to prove it!
I often see the line. ..
I believe there must be a greater meaning, otherwise what's the point?
Such a weird and circular statement and question. There has to be a meaning because I need there to be one?
 
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Tbh i can not really blame them.They are coping with the fact that we are all alone and that there is nothing after death.

For me, the fact that there is nothing after death gives me comfort. But I guess I can understand the feeling of wanting to meet your loved ones after death.
 

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