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[Groovy123]

At home quick methods?
In the Us
I don't have access to gun, or medication. Can't order anything.
I do have amoxicillin.
Wouldn't be my first attempt, so family keeps a close eye on me.
Tried partial/ full/ antifreeze.
I'll finally have some alone time.
Suggestions?

 

[woxihuanni]

At home quick methods?
In the Us
I don't have access to gun, or medication. Can't order anything.
I do have amoxicillin.
Wouldn't be my first attempt, so family keeps a close eye on me.
Tried partial/ full/ antifreeze.
I'll finally have some alone time.
Suggestions?

Check recent threads, there is a household method being discussed currently.

 

[Groovy123]

Check recent threads, there is a household method being discussed currently.

Been on all day. Thread title?

 

[woxihuanni]

plastic-bag-citric-acid-and-baking-soda

 

[Groovy123]

plastic-bag-citric-acid-and-baking-soda

Just seen it. Unfortunately doesn't seem too reliable. Can't mess up anymore.

 

[Lookingforabus]

Anything reliable and household-y (other than hanging) is going to be absolutely brutal. Lots of household chemicals are pretty dangerous, but due to safety concerns, the only ones left that are unsafe are also excruciating and brutal, because "no one" is desperate enough commit suicide by swallowing a gallon of high concentration bleach, for example. (Which has happened, but I share that assessment. Even as someone with a Ph.D. in agony, dying slowly from internal bleeding because chemical burns shredded my insides is not even an option of last resort. I'd rather bash my head in with a hammer, or even keep living). Similarly, you can mix some common household chemicals together to create fatal gases, but again agonizing, and also potentially dangerous to others. Oh, great, death by suffocation because the alveoli in my lungs blister up? And it might do the same to anyone else who finds me or visits my home? Pass.

Otherwise, the only thing I can think of something sharp and the carotid artery... but that's brutal, and harder to do than people think.

If you can get at least half an hour alone, hanging, partial suspension and ligature strangulation are good options, but it sounds like you're having trouble with that general method.

I'd recommend figuring out the best method for you, personally, doing the planning and practice and such to figure out how to pull it off, and waiting. Maybe having an escape plan from life will make you feel better, but even if it doesn't, your family will let down their guard and stop watching you so closely as time passes, which will make it easier to CtB.

 

[woxihuanni]

Anything reliable and household-y (other than hanging) is going to be absolutely brutal. Lots of household chemicals are pretty dangerous, but due to safety concerns, the only ones left that are unsafe are also excruciating and brutal, because "no one" is desperate enough commit suicide by swallowing a gallon of high concentration bleach, for example. (Which has happened, but I share that assessment. Even as someone with a Ph.D. in agony, dying slowly from internal bleeding because chemical burns shredded my insides is not even an option of last resort. I'd rather bash my head in with a hammer, or even keep living). Similarly, you can mix some common household chemicals together to create fatal gases, but again agonizing, and also potentially dangerous to others. Oh, great, death by suffocation because the alveoli in my lungs blister up? And it might do the same to anyone else who finds me or visits my home? Pass.

Otherwise, the only thing I can think of something sharp and the carotid artery... but that's brutal, and harder to do than people think.

If you can get at least half an hour alone, hanging, partial suspension and ligature strangulation are good options, but it sounds like you're having trouble with that general method.

I'd recommend figuring out the best method for you, personally, doing the planning and practice and such to figure out how to pull it off, and waiting. Maybe having an escape plan from life will make you feel better, but even if it doesn't, your family will let down their guard and stop watching you so closely as time passes, which will make it easier to CtB.

But what do you think is wrong with the baking soda and vinegar method?

 

[Lookingforabus]

But what do you think is wrong with the baking soda and vinegar method?

It creates carbon dioxide, which is unpleasant. I can think of easier ways to suffocate to death. It's also unreliable... vinegar and baking soda don't create as much CO2 as you'd assume, since vinegar is only 5% acetic acid. Frankly, if you're going to suffocate yourself with a plastic bag, you don't need to supply extra CO2, so why add the extra step?

 

[woxihuanni]

It creates carbon dioxide, which is unpleasant. I can think of easier ways to suffocate to death. It's also unreliable... vinegar and baking soda don't create as much CO2 as you'd assume, since vinegar is only 5% acetic acid. Frankly, if you're going to suffocate yourself with a plastic bag, you don't need to supply extra CO2, so why add the extra step?

You can use pure CA I suppose? I think the idea is that it knocks you out immediately so you don't suffer (you don't breath it in until it's very highly concentrated).

 

[Lookingforabus]

That's the idea, yeah, high enough concentration so that you're out before symptoms set in. I personally have doubts about the ability and reliability of household chemistry to provide the concentration needed, but to each their own.

And of course, if you're special ordering pure acetic acid, it's not really household anymore, is it? I'd personally pick something different (and did) if I was custom ordering stuff anyway.

 

[woxihuanni]

That's the idea, yeah, high enough concentration so that you're out before symptoms set in. I personally have doubts about the ability and reliability of household chemistry to provide the concentration needed, but to each their own.

And of course, if you're special ordering pure acetic acid, it's not really household anymore, is it? I'd personally pick something different (and did) if I was custom ordering stuff anyway.

I don't know, somebody did the maths, maybe you could check with them to help people thinking of it? Supposedly CA is OTC at pharmacies (never got it myself), easier than SN, etc.

I am pursuing this not for myself but because currently there is someone who doesn't have other resources and is trying to get this right.

 

[Groovy123]

Anything reliable and household-y (other than hanging) is going to be absolutely brutal. Lots of household chemicals are pretty dangerous, but due to safety concerns, the only ones left that are unsafe are also excruciating and brutal, because "no one" is desperate enough commit suicide by swallowing a gallon of high concentration bleach, for example. (Which has happened, but I share that assessment. Even as someone with a Ph.D. in agony, dying slowly from internal bleeding because chemical burns shredded my insides is not even an option of last resort. I'd rather bash my head in with a hammer, or even keep living). Similarly, you can mix some common household chemicals together to create fatal gases, but again agonizing, and also potentially dangerous to others. Oh, great, death by suffocation because the alveoli in my lungs blister up? And it might do the same to anyone else who finds me or visits my home? Pass.

Otherwise, the only thing I can think of something sharp and the carotid artery... but that's brutal, and harder to do than people think.

If you can get at least half an hour alone, hanging, partial suspension and ligature strangulation are good options, but it sounds like you're having trouble with that general method.

I'd recommend figuring out the best method for you, personally, doing the planning and practice and such to figure out how to pull it off, and waiting. Maybe having an escape plan from life will make you feel better, but even if it doesn't, your family will let down their guard and stop watching you so closely as time passes, which will make it easier to CtB.

Thank you for your response. Unfortunately due to pain I'm mind I can't hide my mood. But maybe I'll look into other methods like jumping somewhere.

 

[Lookingforabus]

I don't know, somebody did the maths, maybe you could check with them to help people thinking of it? Supposedly CA is OTC at pharmacies (never got it myself), easier than SN, etc.

I am pursuing this not for myself but because currently there is someone who doesn't have other resources and is trying to get this right.

The math isn't the problem, it's the lack of proper equipment and training. It's one thing to create a bunch of CO2 and use a tube to get it into an upside down container. You can even make it airtight by submerging the bottom in some water in a sink or bathtub. Then what? You didn't have a vacuum pump to clear the air out of the container in the first place, so now you have a volume of gas that's higher pressure than the atmosphere (in addition to having a bunch of oxygen in there), so as soon as you move it, your CO2 is going to rush out, air is going to rush in, and since your partial gas pressure with CO2 and atmosphere is pretty close to 0, the CO2 gas in the container is going to rapidly move to an equilibrium with air of virtually no CO2. Jam your head into it real quick, problem gets worse - your head will drag in atmosphere, forcing out CO2, and you don't have a low enough O2 concentration to pass out quickly, the hypercapnic response triggers, it's painful, and you end up clawing at (and probably tearing or dislodging) your bag.

I'm not pointing all this out to be unhelpful, but there are a lot of very smart medical doctors who've given the question of how to die peacefully a lot of thought. They've written books, founded right-to-die organizations and made recommendations about the best ways for people who want to die to kill themselves. None of them recommend household chemicals because it's hard and painful. The only "household" method that's any good is carotid artery compression in one way or another. If you want to get out, and you only have access to stuff around the house, that's the way to go. Make sure you have half an hour's privacy at least, cut off blood flow to your brain and wait. Anything else is going to be painful, unreliable, or both.

Thank you for your response. Unfortunately due to pain I'm mind I can't hide my mood. But maybe I'll look into other methods like jumping somewhere.

Been there, done that. (Arguably, am there now). In my experience, you don't have to hide your mood. In fact, faking like everything is suddenly alright is a major red flag for suicide, so don't do that.

You're depressed, life sucks, you're "not sure life is worth living", but trying to commit suicide just made it worse. You need time, and a bit of space to get better. Admit it, let it show, and as long as you can hold back the "I'm still trying to kill myself" bit, you'll get some space and people will worry less and let their guard down, in my experience. Probably, they'll try to get you mental health assistance, maybe it will even help. If it doesn't, you've got enough space and bought yourself enough time to CtB "right".

 

[Groovy123]

I've have used all my resources. Have a disease that's tearing up my body. Did counseling, mental help. Nothing works. On life time medication to replace an organ.