'Health status' when ingesting SN

[heylightiforgot]

One of my concerns with SN is my extremely poor health status -- I have severe CFS, and am deteriorating more and more by the day. On top of this, my unfortunate living situation means trying to create windows of opportunity are becoming increasingly sparse, because I'm forced to push myself and stay up all night (to avoid noisy family), and trying to add in fasting etc. is nearly impossible. It would be so much easier if I could just do it when I wake up, but of course to make life even more difficult my mom works from home; I tried playing white noise recently loudly, and 'fake vomiting' and she runs upstairs immediately to check on me everytime.

I had a couple of 'good' nights last week where I had significant energy before bed, and I'm kind of mad at myself I didn't take the opportunity to do it (but, of course, when I have energy I feel good and don't want to CTB, or my anxiety levels are higher). If I do it before bed, the best I can manage is to fast 3 hours, but @gingerplum said that *should* be okay if it's just a light meal.

I'm very weak and sick and my stomach is a complete mess now. I think one of my concerns is that if I can get to my isolated location across the road and actually take the SN, my body being in such a weak/sick status might mean a) instant failure, and b) that I end up too helpless to even call ER services, in the event of a failure because even in my current health state just making calls etc. is difficult.

Then again, maybe being so sick means it's much likelier to kill me?

 

[Deleted member 1465]

In a similar situation. I have to pee every hour at least or I go into urinary retention which will result in a burst bladder. I'd need to be utterly out of it within an hour. Also failure would be catastrophic.

 

[gingerplum]

In a similar situation. I have to pee every hour at least or I go into urinary retention which will result in a burst bladder. I'd need to be utterly out of it within an hour. Also failure would be catastrophic.

You need a catheter. No time rn, but I hope you'll message me or remind me about this later, because I'd love to chat with you about it

 

[Stan]

One of my concerns with SN is my extremely poor health status -- I have severe CFS, and am deteriorating more and more by the day. On top of this, my unfortunate living situation means trying to create windows of opportunity are becoming increasingly sparse, because I'm forced to push myself and stay up all night (to avoid noisy family), and trying to add in fasting etc. is nearly impossible. It would be so much easier if I could just do it when I wake up, but of course to make life even more difficult my mom works from home; I tried playing white noise recently loudly, and 'fake vomiting' and she runs upstairs immediately to check on me everytime.

I had a couple of 'good' nights last week where I had significant energy before bed, and I'm kind of mad at myself I didn't take the opportunity to do it (but, of course, when I have energy I feel good and don't want to CTB, or my anxiety levels are higher). If I do it before bed, the best I can manage is to fast 3 hours, but @gingerplum said that *should* be okay if it's just a light meal.

I'm very weak and sick and my stomach is a complete mess now. I think one of my concerns is that if I can get to my isolated location across the road and actually take the SN, my body being in such a weak/sick status might mean a) instant failure, and b) that I end up too helpless to even call ER services, in the event of a failure because even in my current health state just making calls etc. is difficult.

Then again, maybe being so sick means it's much likelier to kill me?

I believe I have spoken to you before on this as you are quite vague about what ails your stomach so I will state something and you can determine whether it fits your illness or not. If in anyway your ingestion path has ulcers you could get pain. If you have ulcers in your mouth, stomach or intestine, you are putting salt on an open wound.

 

[heylightiforgot]

I believe I have spoken to you before on this as you are quite vague about what ails your stomach so I will state something and you can determine whether it fits your illness or not. If in anyway your ingestion path has ulcers you could get pain. If you have ulcers in your mouth, stomach or intestine, you are putting salt on an open wound.

Well I have no formal diagnosis but part-and-parcel with my chronic illness, my microbiome is a mess .. I have a lot of food intolerances, react to fillers in medications etc. My stomach lining also feels very inflamed and irritated and occassionally painful which @gingerplum said is likely gastritis. On top of that I have poor digestion/no natural motility.

That said, I do not experience nausea or vomiting with my illness.

 

[Stan]

You are relying heavily on an informal diagnosis of a stomach condition on whether this is a good method for you. If someone said it would be ok and hypothetically you took the SN tomorrow and had to call an ambulance because the stomach pain was so severe, would you blame yourself or the person who said it was ok?

 

[heylightiforgot]

You are relying heavily on an informal diagnosis of a stomach condition on whether this is a good method for you. If someone said it would be ok and hypothetically you took the SN tomorrow and had to call an ambulance because the stomach pain was so severe, would you blame yourself or the person who said it was ok?

Well, I guess I'm just wondering if -- with no guarantees obviously -- whether anyone could speculate whether that might interfere with the method actually *working*, because, as I say, I presume it is used on a lot of sick/elderly people by EXIT. You mention severe stomach pain, so is that a possible complication of SN ingestion? I guess it's just helpful to know what I can potentially expect. Not sure if @Trainwreck is around anymore but she seemed to be in a similar position re: stomach issues.

 

[Stan]

Well, I guess I'm just wondering if -- with no guarantees obviously -- whether anyone could speculate whether that might interfere with the method actually *working*, because, as I say, I presume it is used on a lot of sick/elderly people by EXIT. You mention severe stomach pain, so is that a possible complication of SN ingestion? I guess it's just helpful to know what I can potentially expect. Not sure if @Trainwreck is around anymore but she seemed to be in a similar position re: stomach issues.

Well there have been enough news reports posted here about healthy students passing by SN. You have an irritable stomach so putting a salty solution in your stomach may not be the most pleasant. You say you have poor digestion, SN has to be digested. I think SN is a really good method, I'm no doctor but logic says that any method requiring swallowing and digesting it is not great based on what you said.

 

[heylightiforgot]

Well there have been enough news reports posted here about healthy students passing by SN. You have an irritable stomach so putting a salty solution in your stomach may not be the most pleasant. You say you have poor digestion, SN has to be digested. I think SN is a really good method, I'm no doctor but logic says that any method requiring swallowing and digesting it is not great based on what you said.

Isn't there a difference between how foods and liquids (given the SN is a solution) are digested though? I mean I can have a cup of coffee/tea and feel the effects instantly so presumably they're being digested. Also my understanding is that meto increases stomach clearance, and @Groovy123 drank the solution on a full stomach.

Maybe @gingerplum can weigh in.

 

[Pykul]

SN has become so common that probably every ED in the country has a protocol to identify and treat. It is rather easy to treat successfully as it takes 2-3 hrs to be successful. Uncomfortable hours at that.

 

[Zzzz]

I have similar symptoms and concerns, and am therefore very interested in advice on how the method may work anyway or whether one should consider another. It may be inappropriate to mention, but faecal transplantation can reportedly alleviate both digestive and neurological problems.

 

[gingerplum]

Isn't there a difference between how foods and liquids (given the SN is a solution) are digested though? I mean I can have a cup of coffee/tea and feel the effects instantly so presumably they're being digested. Also my understanding is that meto increases stomach clearance, and @Groovy123 drank the solution on a full stomach.

Maybe @gingerplum can weigh in.

Yes, there's a difference in the way solids and liquids are digested. Solid foods contain large complex molecules, such as proteins, fats, and carbohydrates; these are broken down and dissolved by the gastric secretions in the stomach. Takes a while, often hours, to digest solids.

Now, liquids are different. For our purposes, we're talking about "clear" liquids... broth, jello, soda, tea, jello, etc. These liquid molecules are so small that they have no problem diffusing through the phospholipid bilayer that forms the cell membrane wall of the small intestine, pretty much straightaway. This cell membrane consists of small channels or pores through which water or water-soluble substances can enter, meaning that liquids are directly absorbed through the cell membrane and into the bloodstream.

That's why when you drink a cup of hot coffee or tea, you can feel the effects of the caffeine in minutes, if not almost immediately.

Now, @Stan is right: please don't put too much stock in the informal diagnosis of a stomach condition, much less from a nurse across the pond who has only heard your casual description of digestive complaints.

Yes, as I said, it sounds like you may have chronic gastritis; a lot of people do. However, even if you do, that's not going to slow your ability to digest and absorb a simple liquid like an SN/H2O solution.

I'm sorry if I gave you more to worry about with that observation; I was just casually speculating, and frankly I'm not licensed to make diagnoses. If you plan on sticking around, I can tell you how to get it checked out. Until then, don't worry about it ;-).