HANGING: does the "eyes popping out of your head"-feeling only happen during full suspension? or also partial?

[SufferingInDenmark]

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[Hollowman]

Idk I was considering both the methods. But after practicing ligature strangulation I think I'm going with that. Last night I almost lost consciousness and it was really fast and painless.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

ligature strangulation

whats that exactly? non native english speaker...

 

[AreWeWinning]

It shouldn't happen during either. It happens when the veins are blocked, but not the arteries, so blood keeps flowing into your head but not out. If the rope is right, the noose is right and tightens correctly, and you commit with enough weight, it won't happen. If the arteries are blocked, and there is no blood-flow into the head, then there is no buildup of pressure.

Edit: Giving it a second thought, based on the above logic, I think, it's probably less likely during full suspension. I would be more concerned about partial, since there might not be enough weight to block the arteries well enough.

 

[Hollowman]

Tying something around your neck very tightly and knoting it quickly. Depending on what a person uses it could hurt. I have something made of silicone, it's very comfortable.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Tying something around your neck very tightly and knoting it quickly. Depending on what a person uses it could hurt. I have something made of silicone, it's very comfortable.

i researched about it and saw people using tourniquet. which led me to wonder also about zip ties as a possibility.
but tourniquet seems more advanced

 

[AnxiousAutist]

It can happen with either method (though it shouldn't) but with partial suspension, you can readjust the noose. You can't do that with full suspension. On the other hand, partial hanging doesn't seem very successful, there are many threads with people attempting it, only to fail.

 

[JesiBel]

In hanging corpses.. tongue and eyes may protrude. But they won't pop out of their sockets (like a cartoon)

Maybe this comment will help you:

Post in thread 'why do i feel like my eyes are finna pop out when i hang myself?'

why do i feel like my eyes are finna pop out when i hang myself?

am i doing something wrong or is it normal?

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[AreWeWinning]

i researched about it and saw people using tourniquet. which led me to wonder also about zip ties as a possibility.
but tourniquet seems more advanced

No offence, but seeing these kind of posts makes me think like it's amazing how people try to reinvent the wheel to avoid a little bit of discomfort and, as a result, just end up with more discomfort, frustration, failure, and pain.

 

[Hollowman]

i researched about it and saw people using tourniquet. which led me to wonder also about zip ties as a possibility.
but tourniquet seems more advanced

Yeah zip ties work I was considering that. A tightening tool would probably be needed though.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

No offence, but seeing these kind of posts makes me think like it's amazing how people try to reinvent the wheel to avoid a little bit of discomfort and, as a result, just end up with more discomfort, frustration, failure, and pain.

ok elaborate on that

Yeah zip ties work I was considering that. A tightening tool would probably be needed though.

yeah but i think the zip ties would be forced too deep into the skin, i just saw an article about someone doing that.
so the tourniquet would probably be better and more comfortable, and overall just more secure.
except that you can take it off fast in case of SI.

 

[AreWeWinning]

ok elaborate on that

I didn't want to, because I don't want to sound pushy or someone who is suggesting people to do this and that.

But what I meant is that full suspension hanging is proven, extremely effective, and clearly works. Yet, people come up with all sorts of things, like tourniquet, partial hanging, the night-night method etc. But these methods are unreliable, and people cause themselves a lot of pain while trying to use them. For example, imagine you decide to use a tourniquet or zip-ties, and you don't manage to pull it tight enough, and you die a very slow and painful death as a result. Same with partial. People keep trying until their head is blue.

Full suspension might not be the most comfortable, but it's extremely reliable. I don't have the right to suggest anything to anyone, and everyone should decide for themselves what they want, but when I see these conversations about these methods, it always makes me think that these people are in a limbo. They want to die, but don't have the courage to. And this is not only regarding full suspension hanging, but there are other effective methods too. But people don't like those. Why? Because they know they are effective. Instead, they keep searching and searching for the perfect method, and come up with custom plans, tweaks etc. Or they just decide on a simple, ineffective method.

I do not think these people should choose an effective method, because I think that is the best for them. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that they should go back to the drawing board, work on themselves first, and figure out what they really want. And if they really want to end their lives, then there are ways to do that. It's not rocket science. I know this sounds very harsh and judgemental. It is harsh. But ending our own lives is not easy, and this is the harsh reality. I think.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

I didn't want to, because I don't want to sound pushy or someone who is suggesting people to do this and that.

But what I meant is that full suspension hanging is proven, extremely effective, and clearly works. Yet, people come up with all sorts of things, like tourniquet, partial hanging, the night-night method etc. But these methods are unreliable, and people cause themselves a lot of pain while trying to use them. For example, imagine you decide to use a tourniquet or zip-ties, and you don't manage to pull it tight enough, and you die a very slow and painful death as a result. Same with partial. People keep trying until their head is blue.

Full suspension might not be the most comfortable, but it's extremely reliable. I don't have the right to suggest anything to anyone, and everyone should decide for themselves what they want, but when I see these conversations about these methods, it always makes me think that these people are in a limbo. They want to die, but don't have the courage to. And this is not only regarding full suspension hanging, but there are other effective methods too. But people don't like those. Why? Because they know they are effective. Instead, they keep searching and searching for the perfect method, and come up with custom plans, tweaks etc. Or they just decide on a simple, ineffective method.

I do not think these people should choose an effective method, because I think that is the best for them. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that they should go back to the drawing board, work on themselves first, and figure out what they really want. And if they really want to end their lives, then there are ways to do that. It's not rocket science. I know this sounds very harsh and judgemental. It is harsh. But ending our own lives is not easy, and this is the harsh reality. I think.

that's not me. i would never attempt suicide just to be edgy or whatever, or for attention from someone.
i would take SN if i had it.
which is guaranteed to work also, or at least it's highly highly effective.

 

[AreWeWinning]

that's not me. i would never attempt suicide just to be edgy or whatever, or for attention from someone.
i would take SN if i had it.
which is guaranteed to work also, or at least it's highly highly effective.

Although I didn't make it explicitly clear, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. More like in general. It's quite common what I described.

And I wasn't talking about attention seeking! It's more like wanting something but not having what it takes. It has nothing to do with wanting attention. Although that can be part of it too, but that's a different thing.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Although I didn't make it explicitly clear, but I wasn't talking about you specifically. More like in general. It's quite common what I described.

And I wasn't talking about attention seeking! It's more like wanting something but not having what it takes. It has nothing to do with wanting attention. Although that can be part of it too, but that's a different thing.

i see.
i'm mostly just thinking about other people. if i hypothetically was all alone in this world, i would use whatever useful method i could find.
i could jump, and i wouldn't be scared to accidentally hit someone on my way down.
i wouldn't be scared or feel bad for the people who find me post death, because nobody can be traumatized, since there's no one else in the world.
i also have a problem doing it publicly, like jumping or by train, because it could end up on the news.
or just the fact that you traumatize innocent people...

 

[wuaroi]

Idk I was considering both the methods. But after practicing ligature strangulation I think I'm going with that. Last night I almost lost consciousness and it was really fast and painless.

For the one that was fast and painless was it partial or full suspension? And please could you tell me how you did it? I tried partial twice the first time I couldn't bring myself to do it and I got pechaie all over my face and the second time I used compressed air to make me pass out … I ended up kneeling their unconscious for a good 7 mins despite that I woke up rope burn and broken blood vessels everywhere so I really want to know how you managed it.

I don't want to sound desperate but I kind of am thank you!

 

[Hollowman]

For the one that was fast and painless was it partial or full suspension? And please could you tell me how you did it? I tried partial twice the first time I couldn't bring myself to do it and I got pechaie all over my face and the second time I used compressed air to make me pass out … I ended up kneeling their unconscious for a good 7 mins despite that I woke up rope burn and broken blood vessels everywhere so I really want to know how you managed it.

I don't want to sound desperate but I kind of am thank you!

Neither, I'm talking about ligature strangulation.

 

[CentreMid]

To the best of my knowledge, it shouldn't happen during partial. Usually it means your rope/belt/tie/etc. is in the wrong place.

 

[Hollowman]

ok elaborate on that

yeah but i think the zip ties would be forced too deep into the skin, i just saw an article about someone doing that.
so the tourniquet would probably be better and more comfortable, and overall just more secure.
except that you can take it off fast in case of SI.

With some light padding it probably wouldn't be too bad. No taking a zip tie off if you don't have anything to cut it.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

The "eyes popping out of your head" feeling can only happen during partial hanging, if you put not enaugh of your weight on the rope so that only the veins are blocked. It will never happen during full suspension hanging, because you don't need your full weight to block your carotids completly. The pressure caused pain during full hanging can be reduced by using a thicker rope. Only the relation of weight to rope diameter has to be aproximately constant. The pain caused by stretching the neck muskles is bearable, hanging by the neck is even used as an ortopaedic therapy.

An adjustment of the noose once you hang is not necessary. The constriction of the noose causes anyhow a slight movement of the knot around the neck.

 

[Johnzaga23]

I didn't want to, because I don't want to sound pushy or someone who is suggesting people to do this and that.

But what I meant is that full suspension hanging is proven, extremely effective, and clearly works. Yet, people come up with all sorts of things, like tourniquet, partial hanging, the night-night method etc. But these methods are unreliable, and people cause themselves a lot of pain while trying to use them. For example, imagine you decide to use a tourniquet or zip-ties, and you don't manage to pull it tight enough, and you die a very slow and painful death as a result. Same with partial. People keep trying until their head is blue.

Full suspension might not be the most comfortable, but it's extremely reliable. I don't have the right to suggest anything to anyone, and everyone should decide for themselves what they want, but when I see these conversations about these methods, it always makes me think that these people are in a limbo. They want to die, but don't have the courage to. And this is not only regarding full suspension hanging, but there are other effective methods too. But people don't like those. Why? Because they know they are effective. Instead, they keep searching and searching for the perfect method, and come up with custom plans, tweaks etc. Or they just decide on a simple, ineffective method.

I do not think these people should choose an effective method, because I think that is the best for them. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that they should go back to the drawing board, work on themselves first, and figure out what they really want. And if they really want to end their lives, then there are ways to do that. It's not rocket science. I know this sounds very harsh and judgemental. It is harsh. But ending our own lives is not easy, and this is the harsh reality. I think.

Youre absolutely right. I wasted so much time looking about those other methods like partial, mostly out of convenience because i would be able to do it indoors, but its pretty stupid indeed and i would now go with full. The pain and discomfort is a small price to pay for salvation. Honestly, fuck this site. It only feeds my suicidal ideations, as i keep looking and searching stuff about ctb, overthinking and trying to make the perfect plan or smth, when really its pretty straightforward. What a big waste of my time.

 

[AreWeWinning]

Youre absolutely right. I wasted so much time looking about those other methods like partial, mostly out of convenience because i would be able to do it indoors, but its pretty stupid indeed and i would now go with full. The pain and discomfort is a small price to pay for salvation. Honestly, fuck this site. It only feeds my suicidal ideations, as i keep looking and searching stuff about ctb, overthinking and trying to make the perfect plan or smth, when really its pretty straightforward. What a big waste of my time.

Yeah, this site can be annoying. But there are some genuinely good advice here too. You just need to filter out the noise and ignore the perpetual whiners and low quality posts. And those who search for a method as a hobby and not because they really want or need one. Which, all of these combined, there are quite a few of them.

But I don't blame them. It's not easy. Speaking from my own experience, SI is a bitch, and your brain will make you do anything and everything in order to evade death. It's deceiving.

And then, when all of this happens, the 'good' people will come and say "yeah, but if that's what keeps them alive and live another day, then it's something good, right?"

I don't know where I'm going with this. I mean, I have an idea, it's just not worth it to think about this too much. It is what it is.

It's rare to see good posts from people who really want to end it and, at the same time, have the courage and the wits to do it too. First, they are just rare in general, and second, they are likely already dead and can't post anymore. And third, you always have to be careful, and can't always give an honest opinion or really good advice, because that's too much, even for this site.

And as a side note, on that last point, I understand why, I must add. There are a lot of young people here and a lot of undecided and impulsive people of all ages. And also, the site would get blocked and attacked more if there was no any moderation at all.