Going blind/deaf after taking SN

[Mustkeyknow]

I asked this in a previous thread but received no answer, does anyone know if it's possible? Shit is scary. I just wanna go in peace man!

 

[Melkus2020]

No it doesn't do that. SN affects the blood not the nerves. If you survive SN that means your body is recovering the lost hemoglobins and you will make a full recovery with no lasting injuries except due to prolonged hypoxia if not treated at a hospital.

 

[squirtsoda]

Permanent injuries are certainly possible from extended hypoxia, but that outcome with SN is rare. This is due to it being quite reliable, you will most likely die before you are found. If you are found, you will have methylene blue (the antidote) administered pretty quickly. If you don't, you die (if you gave yourself the right dose of SN). But, if they left you too long, yet still managed to save you, there could be lasting damage from a hypoxic brain injury. That could manifest in memory and cognitive problems, vision problems, motor problems, and sensory problems. I'm sure there are other things that it could cause permanently. it is still more of an unlikely edge case, because you're dealing with narrow windows of time.

 

[feelsbadman]

What's SN?

 

[Melkus2020]

What's SN?

Sodium Nitrite. It's a very quick effective method of suicide.

 

[Itsbeenreal]

What's SN?

Sodium nitrite

 

[squirtsoda]

What's SN?

Sodium nitrite, search around the site and you will find plenty of information

 

[Mr. Whippy]

Can vasodilation caused by SN create problems in your retina? I've heard claims, but no source whatsoever.

 

[squirtsoda]

Can vasodilation caused by SN create problems in your retina? I've heard claims, but no source whatsoever.

I think it would more be relegated to the nerves of the eye and/or the part of the brain that receives and processes information from the optic nerve

 

[k75]

Out of all the accounts I've read on here from people taking SN, I can only recall one that claimed temporary blindness as a result. They survived and were fine. I don't know if it was legit or not, but for a little while there were rumors about it and people were worried it might cause blindness. Since that scare died down, I haven't heard of any more vision problems related to SN.

 

[Quarky00]

Permanent injuries are certainly possible from extended hypoxia

This is not general hypoxia but local cells/tissue -- circulatory failure . It's not like lack of oxygen .

there could be lasting damage from a hypoxic brain injury. That could manifest in memory and cognitive problems, vision problems, motor problems, and sensory problems.

Sorry that's not true . There are no such documented cases .

@Mustkeyknow -- read SN Resource Page -- Death & Recovery + Documented Cases

You will get an exact yes/no answer there .

 

[Sensei]

Sodium Nitrite. It's a very quick effective method of suicide.

Well, that depends on how you define "quick", doesn't it?

 

[ashwin]

Out of all the accounts I've read on here from people taking SN, I can only recall one that claimed temporary blindness as a result. They survived and were fine. I don't know if it was legit or not, but for a little while there were rumors about it and people were worried it might cause blindness. Since that scare died down, I haven't heard of any more vision problems related to SN.

i am also afraid after reading this and now decided to drink sn in a cliff or a river side.. so that i can have a plan b if something like this happens

Well, that depends on how you define "quick", doesn't it?

there was 2 cases of sn related deaths reported in news in india. one is available in wiki and the pictures r also available and it looks like they have not experienced too much pain ... another case was reported last week. a couple took sn in a shared apartment.. according to police report there were 3 bedrooms there and all were occupied and no one heard any sound and they were laying in the bed and no evidence of struggle was found.
except from that guy who reported blindness i never read about anyone having too much struggle after taking sn in this site or outside here.

 

[Fragile]

it's definitely possible because SN works by depriving blood of oxygen, so other tissues of the body are affected by this and that's why lips and fingers both turn blue. so it's not beyond the realm of possibility that surviving SN leads to some level of permanent damage because of hypoxia.

but it's still very unlikely, first because SN can be very reliable and if you get to the point that it causes damages to the tissues, then you'll most certainly be dead within minutes and you can't really be saved at that point.
and also because some people form this forum have survived and they report no long term effects or at least temporary ones like migraines that go away within weeks or even days.

you mention that you want to go in peace, i feel the same way. but at some point you have to accept that most deaths, even the ones that are not suicides involve some level of pain or discomfort, making peace with this is very important if you really want to go.

 

[Sensei]

there was 2 cases of sn related deaths reported in news in india. one is available in wiki and the pictures r also available and it looks like they have not experienced too much pain ... another case was reported last week. a couple took sn in a shared apartment.. according to police report there were 3 bedrooms there and all were occupied and no one heard any sound and they were laying in the bed and no evidence of struggle was found.
except from that guy who reported blindness i never read about anyone having too much struggle after taking sn in this site or outside here.

Now, I haven't studied SN in detail, as I'll use another method, but yes, this method seems to be mostly painless, although not completely. If I recall correctly, it may take up to 30 minutes to die, and that's not exactly quick in my book. Also, poisonous chemicals are tricky and there are most probably individual variations. That said, it does indeed seem to be an effective method.

 

[squirtsoda]

This is not general hypoxia but local cells/tissue -- circulatory failure . It's not like lack of oxygen .


Sorry that's not true . There are no such documented cases .

@Mustkeyknow -- read SN Resource Page -- Death & Recovery + Documented Cases

You will get an exact yes/no answer there .

That doesn't mean it's not true, and yes there is general hypoxia. I'm not going to argue further on it, I have extensive formal education in aeromedical factors, of which hypoxia is a major part. I'm aware of the protective factor SN has regarding hypoxia - but that doesn't change the laws of physics. I was pretty specific in what I said until you took snippets out of context.

 

[k75]

i am also afraid after reading this and now decided to drink sn in a cliff or a river side.. so that i can have a plan b if something like this happens

I really don't believe you need to worry about this particular thing. I've been researching this for almost 9 months. I've never heard of it happening before reading that one account. Even in that, he didn't feel it necessary to report the blindness at first. It didn't come up until two or three pages into the thread. He said it like it wasn't a big deal and said it was over by the time they were at the hospital. I suspect it wasn't blindness at all. Maybe he was semiconscious and closed his eyes without realizing.

 

[ashwin]

I really don't believe you need to worry about this particular thing. I've been researching this for almost 9 months. I've never heard of it happening before reading that one account. Even in that, he didn't feel it necessary to report the blindness at first. It didn't come up until two or three pages into the thread. He said it like it wasn't a big deal and said it was over by the time they were at the hospital. I suspect it wasn't blindness at all. Maybe he was semiconscious and closed his eyes without realizing.

thanks dear.. what about vomiting after loosing consciousness is it possible?

 

[Quarky00]

extensive formal education in aeromedical factors, of which hypoxia is a major part.

I know , I read , has nothing to do with FLIGHT HYPOXIA .

You (pilots) just aren't tought about anemic hypoxia.

You say SN could do "X". Fine. I'm open to learning. There are 200 documented cases. Show us X. (unsubstantiated "could perhaps" not enough for me sorry:)

 

[squirtsoda]

I know , I read , has nothing to do with FLIGHT HYPOXIA .

You (pilots) just aren't tought about anemic hypoxia.

You say SN could do "X". Fine. I'm open to learning. There are 200 documented cases. Show us X. (unsubstantiated "could perhaps" not enough for me sorry:)

Read my post again. I did not claim it happened. And we are taught some about anemic hypoxia. HYPOXIA IS HYPOXIA. The less oxygenated blood travels throughout the body. It's not localized. Yes the brain is protected for a while. Not forever. Like I said, it would be an "edge case" with a small window of time.

 

[Quarky00]

Read my post again. I did not claim it happened.

You said it could , without providing examples . I read your post and it's not good:

"Permanent injuries are certainly possible from extended hypoxia, but that outcome with SN is rare. That could manifest in memory and cognitive problems, vision problems, motor problems, and sensory problems. I'm sure there are other things that it could cause permanently."

That's what you wrote. You are sure it could cause permanent damage.

Wrong and misleading . If rare yet happens-- show medical records. Otherwise not helpful to present unsubstantiated possible vision problems to anxiety ridden members. I thought just like you, but then did my research.

People who took SN and nearly died had their brain scanned (MRI). Only brain injury is in globus pallidus (basal ganglia) , it is temporary and heals by itself. I do believe that if you have previous brain injury or serious neurological ailment , that temporary damage could be permanent. It will affect refined motor movement (not considered serious).

So don't say there could be brain damage. I said that myself in the past -- and I was simply wrong :) (as far as we know)

HYPOXIA IS HYPOXIA.

No. Cell hypoxia and anemic circulatory failure are different, SN effects are even different than (the very similar) CO2 poisoning. You are a very intelligent knowledgble person who knows better than saying "all hypoxia are the same"

 

[squirtsoda]

You said it could , without providing examples . I read your post and it's not good:

"Permanent injuries are certainly possible from extended hypoxia, but that outcome with SN is rare. That could manifest in memory and cognitive problems, vision problems, motor problems, and sensory problems. I'm sure there are other things that it could cause permanently."

That's what you wrote. You are sure it could cause permanent damage.

Wrong and misleading . If rare yet happens-- show medical records. Otherwise not helpful to present unsubstantiated possible vision problems to anxiety ridden members. I thought just like you, but then did my research.

People who took SN and nearly died had their brain scanned (MRI). Only brain injury is in globus pallidus (basal ganglia) , it is temporary and heals by itself. I do believe that if you have previous brain injury or serious neurological ailment , that temporary damage could be permanent. It will affect refined motor movement (not considered serious).

So don't say there could be brain damage. I said that myself in the past -- and I was simply wrong :) (as far as we know)



No. Cell hypoxia and anemic circulatory failure are different, SN effects are even different than (the very similar) CO2 poisoning. You are a very intelligent knowledgble person who knows better than saying "all hypoxia are the same"

Omg I give up. The end result is the same. I said it's possible. IT'S CALLED DEDUCTIVE REASONING. And it not being helpful is your opinion. CONTEXT. Enough hypoxia and things die permanently. Fact.

 

[Quarky00]

I said it's possible. IT'S CALLED DEDUCTIVE REASONING.

Not good enough for me

Educated Speculations < Science , facts , reality

 

[LMLN]

... another case was reported last week. a couple took sn in a shared apartment.. according to police report there were 3 bedrooms there and all were occupied and no one heard any sound and they were laying in the bed and no evidence of struggle was found.

Do you have a link to this story. I could not find it.
Thanks!

 

[squirtsoda]

Not good enough for me

Educated Speculations < Science , facts , reality

It's good enough for plenty of scientists actually. It's how you predict things based on fact.

 

[Quarky00]

It's good enough for plenty of scientists actually. It's how you predict things based on fact.

Predict , then test predictions . You don't ...

Research documentation facts contradict your claims . No brain damage :)

You can say a certain process may occur, but it just doesn't . SN damage is an old discussion here . Nothing you said is news to me . Lots of SN poisoning cases over centuries . Nothing is 100% and there is always a possibility like you said -- but 99.9% is enough to say yes/no . Especially to a bunch of anxious people.

I don't care about being right or wrong , I just want to help community. Instead of providing research and practical answer (like I did) you explain how 'deductions' work -- not helpful to members .

I am repeating myself so please take a minute to listen . Read calmly , think it through . I am not here to argue

 

[voyager]

Ok, I've heard it twice on this forum; Once someone (?) mentioned that it might happen because apparently the eyes are extremely dependent on oxygen. The second time was from the thread below by member drakewantstogo. According to him it was a temporary blindness, but all the same it only subsided when he was administered the antidote. That does scare me, can't lose my sight, not least deep in the woods. Thought about a knife or noose at hand, just in case.

[...]

I take it we are talking about "drakewantstogo"?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/took-sn-heres-my-story.15395/

 

[squirtsoda]

Then test predictions . You don't ...

Sorry , research documentation facts contradict your claims . No brain damage :)

You can say a certain process may occur, but it just doesn't . SN damage is an old discussion here . Nothing you said is news to me . Lots of SN poisoning cases over centuries . Nothing is 100% and there is always a possibility (like you said) -- but 99% is enough to say yes/no . Especially to very anxious people (!) .

I don't care about being right or wrong , I just want to help this community. Instead of providing research (like I did) you explain how 'deductions' work -- not helpful to members .

I am repeating myself so I hope you take a minute to listen . Just read what I wrote . I am not here to argue

Exactly what you're doing. I'm just gonna shut the hell up and never mention SN again because clearly you want all the oxygen in the room.

 

[Quarky00]

because clearly you want all the oxygen in the room.

Deflection -- denying mistakes and projecting on other people.

I couldn't care less. If you have new info please share, I'll add to FAQ

 

[k75]

@voyager
Yep, that's the one. I'm honestly not worried about it. It's one account out of dozens, and I think if it were a side effect, we'd be hearing about it a lot more often. Plenty of people survive, and none say that happened to them. I really think he mistook floating in and out of consciousness for blindness or something. It would be super easy to do in a situation like that.