Venting Funeralcry was right about this website not feeling safe anymore.

[Insomniac]

We might not have the same reasons for saying this, but the feeling is mutual.

Now even the members of this website who are prochoice are stripping the forum users of their rights in the name of "trying to protect SS".

Now, we apparently can't do anything and say anything that'd be seen as controversial by npcs.

In the process of trying to protect this forum and it's members, they are hurting this forum and it's members. they're destroying it and transforming it into something unrecognisable.

It's basically suicide. We kill ourselves so others don't. We take away our own rights so others don't? We destroy the soul of the forum so others won't?

It shouldn't be surprising to me that suicidal people have this mindset but this is just cowardice in this context.

It's so hard to trigger me but this is the kind of things that genuinely triggers me.

I'm tired of having arguments with members because of this. It creates division among us and we're so fragile already. these arguments are so stupids and yet..

I guess this is just another proof of the absurdity and meaninglessness of this trash existence.

 

[FuneralCry]

The reality is that this forum is so fixated on what the media thinks, what pro lifers think so therefore it's basically no different to anywhere else. There is no escape from pro lifers anywhere. It's been like that for a long time. I envy those who come on here for methods and just find a way to go. I wish that this website didn't even have to exist and we could all just have the option of euthanasia.

I just think that it's terrible how people have to research suicide on the internet and that there are even suicide forums at all. It just reminds me of how it's so hard to ctb. It's basically pointless being on here and it just makes me feel so empty. It really is such a cruel existence and I am tired of everything. I don't want to have to think about methods ever again, I just want to be gone.

 

[Insomniac]

The reality is that this forum is so fixated on what the media thinks, what pro lifers think so therefore it's basically no different to anywhere else. There is no escape from pro lifers anywhere. It's been like that for a long time. I envy those who come on here for methods and just find a way to go. I wish that this website didn't even have to exist and we could all just have the option of euthanasia.

you managed to sum completely how I feel. I just wish I could hang myself and not have to dwell on this.

at the same time, I can't seem to be able to actually hang myself so I come he instead because I have nowhere else to go.

and even here, I'm starting to feel like a nuisance bc I don't give a fuck about what antichoicers think.

our co founder was afraid of losing his job and had to leave ss. he was practically blackmailed into leaving ss by anti choicers. Instead of being angry, outraged, we basically make ourselves smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller until we eventually disappear completely.

there has to be a better way.

but yet again, I wish I could just end it now. I'm too suicidal to fight for anything that's the tragedy.

that's the life of a chronically suicidal person. we have to see everything we love being taken from us as we slowly vanish, as we lose our identity completely.

I hate everything about existence. I shouldn't have goten attached to ss in the first place. My profile says that I subscribed only last year but I have been here since the beginning of ss and so I unvoluntarily got too attached to the concept.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I just ignore those that I don't wish to listen to. It doesn't affect me in any way, shape, or form what these intruders say. This website still feels safe to me. I can say whatever pretty much as I want, too, just like everyone else. They don't drown me out. Freak the arguments with others. Just walk out. I have more important things to get sorted out in my life so that I can do what I need to do. I say if someone thinks they can save me with their shpiel, I say go for it. I know they can't, so it's just a waste of their time. That's how I look at it.

 

[veryhappyhuman]

Now even the members of this website who are prochoice are stripping the forum users of their rights in the name of "trying to protect SS".

Now, we apparently can't do anything and say anything that'd be seen as controversial by npcs.

Is it possible to get more specifics on what you're referring to here? Maybe by PM if it cannot be shared publicly? If it cannot be shared that's okay but I'm kinda concerned...

 

[Marktheghost]

Maybe just read the forum rules and make sure you're not breaking any of them. If you're not going against the rules, nobody's likely to complain.

 

[Foresight]

Maybe just read the forum rules and make sure you're not breaking any of them. If you're not going against the rules, nobody's likely to complain.

This should be all there is to it, to remain respectful of each other here and of the forum rules. I do sometimes see the mentality of silencing others just to appease pro-lifers who may stumble on that thread. That's not necessary if it's within the guidelines. This is your space for expression, not pro-lifers.

 

[Insomniac]

Is it possible to get more specifics on what you're referring to here? Maybe by PM if it cannot be shared publicly? If it cannot be shared that's okay but I'm kinda concerned...

• the fact that the rules changed and we can't talk about sources anymore. at some pointed, we couldn't even talk about methods or suicide.

• the fact that the cofounders were incels and have an incel forum but had to hide it for fear of npcs using this as a way to discredit this forum and it's members. One of co founders decided to censor himself forever by deserting after treats of full doxing.

• members made a thread about profile picture suggesting to ban profile pics of controversial figures because "normies could use that as another way to discredit us".

• members picking fights with me because I mercilessly called out parents of shicided people who are actively trying to shut this website. Members telling me that I should be more compassionate in my words when they're litteraly attacking suicidal people and defaming us.

• I have been asking that the mods change the rules back to normal but members themselves are objecting in fear of what npcs would think.

• Minors were banned.

The thing is that normies have no ground to attack us because they're violating our right to free speech. and we're constantly making ourselves small and it doesn't stop them. so making ourselves small doesn't work and we need to stop.

Maybe just read the forum rules and make sure you're not breaking any of them. If you're not going against the rules, nobody's likely to complain.

this post is a perfect example of what I'm denouncing here.

and fyi, I'm against the recent rule that we can't discuss methods and that's the point of this thread.

 

[ge0rge]

do people still call others NPCs in the current year

 

[Chinaski]

I too prefer websites built entirely in my own image, where everyone agrees with literally everything l say and there is a strict NO NORMIES OR NPC rule.

 

[Foresight]

Keeping sources to private conversations always seemed to be a way to protect you, not to appease anyone. A lot of the commerical sources don't want to be here. If they're constantly being posted here they might tighten supply with verification measures. Sourcing was always veiled to a certain extent from my memory going back to reddit. Maybe it was more open on years I wasn't around though.

 

[Ash’Girl]

Thing is, it's hard. There are as many reasons for people being here, and for why we've reached the point we're at, as there are users. It's not really up to me to judge or decide whether someone's having a short term moment of crisis which might spur an impulsive intent that they might or might not recover from, or if they have thought through their options and their mindset is fixed and not going to change.

Example - Pointing out the flaws in someone's plan could be arguably seen as a way to deter them from committing the final act, and labelled covert "pro life", or seen as someone wanting to give practical advice on what is likely to fail whether from own experience or from stringent research, to protect a person from ending up in a worse situation. It depends how you look at it and how you want to read in to a persons motives.

A source could be a scam or legit. We take that gamble. We don't know who is here, who they really are, whether genuine, scam artists, LE, journalists, bereaved family members, psych students using us as case studies, or just people who get off on reading it for whatever reason. Etc. The whole internet is like that, you don't see behind the screen. Hell, in person it's kinda like that too. A mixed bag with mixed intention.

That's just an example, but it's all individual perspective.

I neither want to encourage nor deter people from their own choice, or silence them. Just allow us all a space to speak freely no matter our differences. Unless someone's actively spouting "don't do it, it'll get better" I don't auto label them anti-choice. But I think there's a line - just because I want to ctb, doesn't mean I think everyone in the world should ctb. I think it should be an option if they find themselves wanting to, for whatever reason.

Some people change their minds (hence recovery forum). Some of us don't. Some of us flit back and forth. Some of us will ruminate about it til we die of natural causes. Some of us will successfully ctb. Some of us might even go on to live in fulfilment, whatever that means to the individual, and rarely or never contemplate ctb again. All those outcomes are valid.

Dunno the point to this except I'm bored and at least it woke my brain up a bit.

I too prefer websites built entirely in my own image, where everyone agrees with literally everything l say and there is a strict NO NORMIES OR NPC rule.

I keep reading NPC as non playable character.

 

[Insomniac]

I too prefer websites built entirely in my own image, where everyone agrees with literally everything l say and there is a strict NO NORMIES OR NPC rule.

@Chinaski, haven't you noticed that you only ever reply to threads in which you see an opportunity to be the devil's advocate. wouldn't you miss people like myself who only talk nonsense?

do people still call others NPCs in the current year

It means non-player character fyi. I don't consider their opinion on my pro choice stance so this is an adequate qualificative in this context.


@GenesAndEnvironment this is what saddens me the most. for the 4 years that I have been on this forum, on and off, as a member or as a lurker, I have also seen my favorite members leave and become less active because of the invasion of normies. I had already told you that I appreciated you for your sense of humor and I also noticed that even you were much less active than a while ago.

 

[Euthanza]

It means non-player character fyi. I don't consider their opinion on my pro choice stance so this is an adequate qualificative in this context.

I thought Non Pro Choice

 

[Insomniac]

Example - Pointing out the flaws in someone's plan could be arguably seen as a way to deter them from committing the final act, and labelled covert "pro life", or seen as someone wanting to give practical advice on what is likely to fail whether from own experience or from stringent research, to protect a person from ending up in a worse situation. It depends how you look at it and how you want to read in to a persons motives.

this is called overthinking and it leads nowhere trust me.

A source could be a scam or legit. We take that gamble. We don't know who is here, who they really are, whether genuine, scam artists, LE, journalists, bereaved family members, psych students using us as case studies, or just people who get off on reading it for whatever reason. Etc. The whole internet is like that, you don't see behind the screen. Hell, in person it's kinda like that too. A mixed bag with mixed intention.

This is not OUR responsability. If there are idiots on this website or if neglectful parents exist. It's litteraly not our responsibility to care about any of this. This website banned minors because retarded parents decided that we practically killed their children. With parents like that I'd be suicidal too.

I thought Non Pro Choice

this is actually even better haha. this website is obsessed with acronyms so I'm totally for electing NPC as Non pro choice lol

 

[foreverfalling]

This is why I don't want to exist in this world. There is no way to be authentic in this world without being rejected and tortured by the masses. It seems like I'm the only one in the world, and there is absolutely no one that can help me escape this prison in any way. When I'm outside, I desperately try to see if there's any sign in people that they are perhaps a bit like me, that haven't been consumed by the world yet, but they all act the same, like carbon copies of each other, you can't tell if they are an agent or not. No where is safe.

 

[Ash’Girl]

this is called overthinking and it leads nowhere trust me.



This is not OUR responsability. If there are idiots on this website or if neglectful parents exist. It's litteraly not our responsibility to care about any of this. This website banned minors because retarded parents decided that we practically killed their children. With parents like that I'd be suicidal too.

this is actually even better haha. this website is obsessed with acronyms so I'm totally for electing NPC as Non pro choice lol

Sorry, I'm crap with the formatting quotes thing.

Overthinking is how my brain is wired. It's part of why I don't see the point to existing. but in this case, it doesn't really effect me either positively or negatively because I was just formulating thoughts. Quite sadly because I've fuck all else to do today.

I do agree that it's not our responsibility. Nothing is our responsibility except our own choices. Just that also we don't have any control over anything once we put it out there into the ether, including how people react or respond to it. If someone is determined to CTB, I'd say they'll figure it out with or without this site.

I do theoretically agree with the logistics of not posting publicly full details that might contribute to the few sources available to people being shut down, but then again there's nothing stopping LE from posing as anyone to obtain the sources privately either. Catch 22. Ho hum.

I don't have any answers. If I did I wouldn't be here posting cause I'd have figured out my bus ticket.

 

[veryhappyhuman]

• the fact that the rules changed and we can't talk about sources anymore. at some pointed, we couldn't even talk about methods or suicide.

• the fact that the cofounders were incels and have an incel forum but had to hide it for fear of npcs using this as a way to discredit this forum and it's members. One of co founders decided to censor himself forever by deserting after treats of full doxing.

• members made a thread about profile picture suggesting to ban profile pics of controversial figures because "normies could use that as another way to discredit us".

• members picking fights with me because I mercilessly called out parents of shicided people who are actively trying to shut this website. Members telling me that I should be more compassionate in my words when they're litteraly attacking suicidal people and defaming us.

• I have been asking that the mods change the rules back to normal but members themselves are objecting in fear of what npcs would think.

• Minors were banned.

* Sources censoring sucks, but is clearly for our benefit as others have explained -- we don't want them disappeared by the prolifers. This isn't even a hypothetical, as PPEH notes it has already happened. AFAIK method talk was only banned in the immediate aftermath of the NYT expose which turned the full media/public glare on us. Again, it sucks but it was for a reason and at least we're back to discussing methods now, so I'm ok with it.

* Agreed without comment

* Well, we do have a lot of people here with all kinds of trauma, or otherwise sensitive mental-health wise, so being mindful of it is good imo. I'm personally not in favor of such a ban, but I see where they're coming from. The bottomline is while we can say some controversial things here, this isn't exactly 4chan or one of those "absolute free speech" forums where literally anything goes.

* This is a new one for me bc I've seen for e.g. FT26 get put on full blast without anyone opposing. But yeah support for prolife views here isn't good.

* No comment there

* Minors should be banned, come on now! This is the one thing that shouldn't be controversial at all. They obviously don't have the mental maturity to make a major decision like ctb. If anything, I'd raise the age of entry even higher up, to maybe 20. I don't want a 13 year old kid who's sad bc their parents grounded them to get their hands on frickin N and off themselves!

Bottomline is we can't change what prolifers do, we don't control them. We only control our actions. There's only two choices before us:
a) Assert our rights and do what we do no matter what prolifers say, but end up risking the forum itself
b) Take preventative control measures now and then, which seem stifling but sustain the forum

I'd choose b too. You may call it bending to the will of prolifers, and I certainly understand your POV, but I'd call it picking the right fights.

 

[whatevs]

• the fact that the rules changed and we can't talk about sources anymore. at some pointed, we couldn't even talk about methods or suicide.

• the fact that the cofounders were incels and have an incel forum but had to hide it for fear of npcs using this as a way to discredit this forum and it's members. One of co founders decided to censor himself forever by deserting after treats of full doxing.

• members made a thread about profile picture suggesting to ban profile pics of controversial figures because "normies could use that as another way to discredit us".

• members picking fights with me because I mercilessly called out parents of shicided people who are actively trying to shut this website. Members telling me that I should be more compassionate in my words when they're litteraly attacking suicidal people and defaming us.

• I have been asking that the mods change the rules back to normal but members themselves are objecting in fear of what npcs would think.

• Minors were banned.

The thing is that normies have no ground to attack us because they're violating our right to free speech. and we're constantly making ourselves small and it doesn't stop them. so making ourselves small doesn't work and we need to stop.


this post is a perfect example of what I'm denouncing here.

and fyi, I'm against the recent rule that we can't discuss methods and that's the point of this thread.

Why the fuck would you think having minors on a suicide forum is desirable, though?

This is why I don't want to exist in this world. There is no way to be authentic in this world without being rejected and tortured by the masses. It seems like I'm the only one in the world, and there is absolutely no one that can help me escape this prison in any way. When I'm outside, I desperately try to see if there's any sign in people that they are perhaps a bit like me, that haven't been consumed by the world yet, but they all act the same, like carbon copies of each other, you can't tell if they are an agent or not. No where is safe.

I have met people similar to me in real life, and I'm probably weirder than you. I know what you mean but it isn't EVERYONE, it's "just" ALMOST everyone.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Regarding the minors who make their way to SaSu...........................(We) help the kids with cancer and other maladies at St. Jude Children's Hospital, and Shriner's, and a host of others, so that they may be healed, not be in pain, and get a chance at life and be able to have a life to live. Why is that any different than helping out kids with mental anguish who decide that taking their own life is their best and only option? If keeping those kids off of SaSu helps them, in so much as they will have a harder time acquiring knowledge regarding methods and sources, then I'm all for it. We're all past that age, and most of us are way past that age. We made it through those hard times when we were kids. There really isn't much we can do to help them, that's their parent's, teacher's, counselor's jobs, but the least we can do is keep them out of SaSu as much a possible and, at least, give them a chance at life. Of course, it's no guarantee that they still won't find a way to off themselves, but we don't need to be complicit in it.

 

[rationaltake]

and fyi, I'm against the recent rule that we can't discuss methods and that's the point of this thread.

Where's the rule that says we can't discuss methods?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Where's the rule that says we can't discuss methods?

I'd like to know this, too. I don't feel any constraints talking in a matter-of-fact way about any methods. And as far as sources go, I think it is prudent to protect them as much as possible. We have to live and operate in the world we live in, whether that is good or bad.

 

[Superdeterminist]

* Sources censoring sucks, but is clearly for our benefit as others have explained -- we don't want them disappeared by the prolifers. This isn't even a hypothetical, as PPEH notes it has already happened. AFAIK method talk was only banned in the immediate aftermath of the NYT expose which turned the full media/public glare on us. Again, it sucks but it was for a reason and at least we're back to discussing methods now, so I'm ok with it.

* Agreed without comment

* Well, we do have a lot of people here with all kinds of trauma, or otherwise sensitive mental-health wise, so being mindful of it is good imo. I'm personally not in favor of such a ban, but I see where they're coming from. The bottomline is while we can say some controversial things here, this isn't exactly 4chan or one of those "absolute free speech" forums where literally anything goes.

* This is a new one for me bc I've seen for e.g. FT26 get put on full blast without anyone opposing. But yeah support for prolife views here isn't good.

* No comment there

* Minors should be banned, come on now! This is the one thing that shouldn't be controversial at all. They obviously don't have the mental maturity to make a major decision like ctb. If anything, I'd raise the age of entry even higher up, to maybe 20. I don't want a 13 year old kid who's sad bc their parents grounded them to get their hands on frickin N and off themselves!

Bottomline is we can't change what prolifers do, we don't control them. We only control our actions. There's only two choices before us:
a) Assert our rights and do what we do no matter what prolifers say, but end up risking the forum itself
b) Take preventative control measures now and then, which seem stifling but sustain the forum

I'd choose b too. You may call it bending to the will of prolifers, and I certainly understand your POV, but I'd call it picking the right fights.

I disagree about minors. The whole concept of being "mature enough to ctb" is completely arbitrary and nebulous. People judge each other's opinions, even those of other adults, as immature all the time. Ultimately it's just opinion.

 

[rationaltake]

I'd like to know this, too. I don't feel any constraints talking in a matter-of-fact way about any methods. And as far as sources go, I think it is prudent to protect them as much as possible. We have to live and operate in the world we live in, whether that is good or bad.

I agree. I don't see the point in putting sources on the forum - which is public - when that just means those sources could be shut down. And it's not speculation. We know this has already happened and it's much more difficult to get what we need.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I agree. I don't see the point in putting sources on the forum - which is public - when that just means those sources could be shut down. And it's not speculation. We know this has already happened and it's much more difficult to get what we need.

I just got bitched out by another user in another thread who posted about finding a "new" source for meto. They gave enough clues in their post, whereby, I was able to find it on the Internet, but it took a while. I posted back to confirm the source, but I didn't name it outright. I changed the name of the source to just generic descriptive terms and gave a few other hints, just to see if I found the right one. Well...............they went off on me accusing me of naming sources out in the open and all kind of shit like that. It turns out that the source this user found wasn't a new source after all, but was a well-known pharmacy on the Internet that dispenses (supposedly) without a prescription. They just had new front to get into the pharmacy that is being indexed by the search engines. This users hints were good enough to allow me to find it, and then they had the gall to accuse me of naming sources. I went round and round with them and then finally had enough. I ALWAYS try to mask, as best as I can, sources when they're being discussed out in the open. You can only do so much. I doubt there are any sources on SaSu that aren't publicly known, except to, maybe, new users who come here asking for sources right off the bat. I usually just tell new users they need to search through the forum and they will find any info they need, which is true. It's like a lose-lose situation for all of us.

 

[Lost Magic]

It truly breaks my heart that society has been brainwashed by the pro life squad. All I can say is they must live wonderful, cosy lives or they are wearing rose tinted glasses. Why can't they just accept the suffering of others instead of making us suffer more? It is so exhausting.

 

[Insomniac]

Why the fuck would you think having minors on a suicide forum is desirable, though?

you'd need context to understand why I said that. long story short, a young person died from SN (NOT a minor) and their parents and the news attacked SS saying that it was COMPLETELY the forums members fault. They completely diabolical us and then Marquis decided to ban all minors to appease tensions. I have been building grudge ever since. There was a few forum members whom everyone knew were minors (ex: a 17yo girl who was the knly minor I knew) who were beloved by forum members and we had to ban her in the space of a few hour. It was very infuriating in this context. Because I realised how weak we were for the first time. I hated the fact that it was done under submission. And it changed little because we're still hated just like before and these morons don't even acknowledge our efforts.

I agree. I don't see the point in putting sources on the forum - which is public - when that just means those sources could be shut down. And it's not speculation. We know this has already happened and it's much more difficult to get what we need.

I meant sources. And there was a time when we weren't allowed to discuss methods after some drama created by parents with the self awareness of a banana in a blender.

 

[WhatPowerIs]

I too prefer websites built entirely in my own image, where everyone agrees with literally everything l say and there is a strict NO NORMIES OR NPC rule.

You forgot to attach the Gigachad image.

 

[sunsetting]

I don't really feel that way seeing what's posted here and if this forum is too extreme I don't even want to think what's being discussed in pro-choice forums that exist in harder to reach sites. What do they expect us to discuss here? Sad memes and suicide hotline reviews?

 

[Hollowillow]

We might not have the same reasons for saying this, but the feeling is mutual.

Now even the members of this website who are prochoice are stripping the forum users of their rights in the name of "trying to protect SS".

Now, we apparently can't do anything and say anything that'd be seen as controversial by npcs.

In the process of trying to protect this forum and it's members, they are hurting this forum and it's members. they're destroying it and transforming it into something unrecognisable.

It's basically suicide. We kill ourselves so others don't. We take away our own rights so others don't? We destroy the soul of the forum so others won't?

It shouldn't be surprising to me that suicidal people have this mindset but this is just cowardice in this context.

It's so hard to trigger me but this is the kind of things that genuinely triggers me.

I'm tired of having arguments with members because of this. It creates division among us and we're so fragile already. these arguments are so stupids and yet..

I guess this is just another proof of the absurdity and meaninglessness of this trash existence.

I don't know the full story, I'm new, but I got a ban warning early. I agree that I've been rude, but I keep feeling like some stuff I said was mean but in a possible constructive manner... After that I've been scared to disagree. I pro choice, pro... All the deaths... But thriwing our life away because some stranger dissaproved of us... I think we should value our lives & deaths more. We only die once, we should do it for our own selves. Not some jerk. Like losing our virginity. I need free speech. I love people here but I can't agree with everything... I agree that I was rude though... Some stuff triggered me... I'm sorry about that though.

I don't think we should ban sincere members who argue & get bad days sometimes. This is a very rare special place. I'd hate to see it change to appease some pro life in a vendetta. But I guess we need to be careful walking our thin legal line... And not be censored as a murderous group. We're not. Well... I'm pro murder too (on pedophiles...) but that's unrelated to the site's mission.

• the fact that the rules changed and we can't talk about sources anymore. at some pointed, we couldn't even talk about methods or suicide.

• the fact that the cofounders were incels and have an incel forum but had to hide it for fear of npcs using this as a way to discredit this forum and it's members. One of co founders decided to censor himself forever by deserting after treats of full doxing.

• members made a thread about profile picture suggesting to ban profile pics of controversial figures because "normies could use that as another way to discredit us".

• members picking fights with me because I mercilessly called out parents of shicided people who are actively trying to shut this website. Members telling me that I should be more compassionate in my words when they're litteraly attacking suicidal people and defaming us.

• I have been asking that the mods change the rules back to normal but members themselves are objecting in fear of what npcs would think.

• Minors were banned.

The thing is that normies have no ground to attack us because they're violating our right to free speech. and we're constantly making ourselves small and it doesn't stop them. so making ourselves small doesn't work and we need to stop.


this post is a perfect example of what I'm denouncing here.

and fyi, I'm against the recent rule that we can't discuss methods and that's the point of this thread.

We can't discuss methods? Since when? Telling me in graphic details the risk & requirements of ganging myself is the most discouraging thing I ever read to kill myself. It was AMAZING! I will avoid doing an unplanned hanging.

Sucks that our founder was blackmailed out. Incel? Really? I hope they weren't the entitled mysoginistic type to be cruel then wonder why she's not wet... I didn't stay in the incel sub ling. The sheer hatred towards women was terrifying. They should share date tips
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* Sources censoring sucks, but is clearly for our benefit as others have explained -- we don't want them disappeared by the prolifers. This isn't even a hypothetical, as PPEH notes it has already happened. AFAIK method talk was only banned in the immediate aftermath of the NYT expose which turned the full media/public glare on us. Again, it sucks but it was for a reason and at least we're back to discussing methods now, so I'm ok with it.

* Agreed without comment

* Well, we do have a lot of people here with all kinds of trauma, or otherwise sensitive mental-health wise, so being mindful of it is good imo. I'm personally not in favor of such a ban, but I see where they're coming from. The bottomline is while we can say some controversial things here, this isn't exactly 4chan or one of those "absolute free speech" forums where literally anything goes.

* This is a new one for me bc I've seen for e.g. FT26 get put on full blast without anyone opposing. But yeah support for prolife views here isn't good.

* No comment there

* Minors should be banned, come on now! This is the one thing that shouldn't be controversial at all. They obviously don't have the mental maturity to make a major decision like ctb. If anything, I'd raise the age of entry even higher up, to maybe 20. I don't want a 13 year old kid who's sad bc their parents grounded them to get their hands on frickin N and off themselves!

Bottomline is we can't change what prolifers do, we don't control them. We only control our actions. There's only two choices before us:
a) Assert our rights and do what we do no matter what prolifers say, but end up risking the forum itself
b) Take preventative control measures now and then, which seem stifling but sustain the forum

I'd choose b too. You may call it bending to the will of prolifers, and I certainly understand your POV, but I'd call it picking the right fights.

I don't think we should ban kids. This site is a suicide support group. I've been rude to someone thinking their reason to die was childish, but then realized they were superficial not just about mates but about themselves, a victim of magazines, with the most painful eating struggles... Because they just wanted to be lived but were taught the wrong ways, and were literally starving to death in agony far before they could suicide... I regretted being mean far more than a ban ever could when I stayed long enough to understand...

Some children get sexually assaulted & told their birth was unwanted. I tried to cut my wrist probably when I was 11... I couldn't dare... But this forum would have given me comfort... And honestly... The 30 years I had after weren't worth living. Maybe I had 5 giid moments, i don't remember them much.

Suicidal Kids should be here. Friends who accept us help us survive. Friends who hear us makes life worth living.

We can always warn the kids who want to die at the first frustration. But shouldn't they have the right to choose too. If they can't handle so little already, enduring chronic pain & assault will be worse than death to them... But I wasn't born strong... Pain forced me. I'm tired to be strong. I am now allergic to my acid damaged acrylic bath. One if my rare relaxation now makes my tongue swell for hours with a taste of acid paint. I have my dream home. It's killing me... Without this place, I could have paralized myself failing to hang properly... A fate worse than death. Children should be warned too.