Friendly reminder being suicidal causes physical harm to brain — it’s not as easy as deciding to live

[gonegal95]

If you look up structural changes in suicidal brains, you'll find tons of studies supporting the hypothesis that suicidality structurally changes the brain. From decreased amygdala's to severe inflammation. See this article for a summary: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-happens-body-brain-suidical_l_641db24ae4b00c3e6079c8c4/amp

Neuroplasticity is the only way out. And in my opinion, neuroplasticity only works if you aren't a case of poor health and deserving of a death with dignity. It's not as simple as just "deciding" to stay. It's not always possible. Im so sick of the "suicide awareness" marketing ploys that ignores this.

Im trying to build a list of suicidal-friendly resources for neuro plasticity. Will update here.

 

[Buh-bye!]

That's a great initiative, wish you luck friend.

 

[Manfrotto99]

Makes sense. I have an overactive immune system where my body tries to attack itself and I see it as a physical response to wanting to kill myself. However it could also be a response from all the stress and grief I am experiencing that is making me want to ctb. How do you differentiate? the article dosnt appear to address this.

I'm guesing that shock treatment would be a form of Neuroplasticity? I believe I experienced a form of this several years and and it did stop me from being suicidal. So believe it can work, but only if you dont have a serious illness and your circumstances can be changed, which is not always the case.

 

[LapseInTime]

I have a feeling that many preceding events may have changed the brain, not just suicidality. Who knows, maybe meds actually change the brain too, I bet there will be evidence to support that they do, possible not in the most gracious way. As it stands, with my now frizzled braincells, it's far easier to think how to end this than how to fix this. It's like baking a cake. If it failed to rise, there is no need to whip up the frosting as if to "keep going" is a goal in itself.

 

[willitpass]

Depression and suicide do change the brain. Things are over active and under active in places they shouldn't. But neuroplasticity isn't really a treatment, it is just something the brain does. It's the brains ability to be molded into different things, the ability to rewire after an injury. Certain treatments may be somewhat based around it, but neuroplasticity is a process that takes place over an extended period of time. And it's an ongoing process throughout life, but it's significantly slows down after childhood and adolescence. You neural pathways are a lot more set in stone and harder to change after your 20s. Many treatments are already based around the idea of changing the paths in your brain. Therapy alone can do it in some people. Some people need meds to help with the chemicals in the brain. Some alternative treatments take a more aggressive approach like ECT. But anything psychiatric treatment does is ultimately attempting to rewrite your brain's pathways.

Makes sense. I have an overactive immune system where my body tries to attack itself and I see it as a physical response to wanting to kill myself. However it could also be a response from all the stress and grief I am experiencing that is making me want to ctb. How do you differentiate? the article dosnt appear to address this.

I'm guesing that shock treatment would be a form of Neuroplasticity? I believe I experienced a form of this several years and and it did stop me from being suicidal. So believe it can work, but only if you dont have a serious illness and your circumstances can be changed, which is not always the case.

If you have an autoimmune disorder that's not really caused by being suicidal. Autoimmune disorders can be brought out by stress and their effects worsened by it, but you likely were already predisposed to it. And the body can't really differentiate between suicidal vs general stress vs grief. It's only able to tell that you are under a lot of stress and starts to panic from all the cortisol and other stress hormones being released. It doesn't care what the cause of the stress it, just that you're stressed.

 

[Hotsackage]

Exercise and meditation. And very limited substance intake, preferably none

 

[KillingPain267]

If you look up structural changes in suicidal brains, you'll find tons of studies supporting the hypothesis that suicidality structurally changes the brain. From decreased amygdala's to severe inflammation. See this article for a summary: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-happens-body-brain-suidical_l_641db24ae4b00c3e6079c8c4/amp

Neuroplasticity is the only way out. And in my opinion, neuroplasticity only works if you aren't a case of poor health and deserving of a death with dignity. It's not as simple as just "deciding" to stay. It's not always possible. Im so sick of the "suicide awareness" marketing ploys that ignores this.

Im trying to build a list of suicidal-friendly resources for neuro plasticity. Will update here.

That would explain why, even after feeling better from my new antidepressive meds and/or diet, that I STILL feel like ctb is etched in my mind.

I have a feeling that many preceding events may have changed the brain, not just suicidality. Who knows, maybe meds actually change the brain too, I bet there will be evidence to support that they do, possible not in the most gracious way. As it stands, with my now frizzled braincells, it's far easier to think how to end this than how to fix this. It's like baking a cake. If it failed to rise, there is no need to whip up the frosting as if to "keep going" is a goal in itself.

Yeah, traumatic life events, even things not recognized (such as divorce, parents divorcing when you were a child or threats of eviction and poverty), can act as triggers and in some less resilient people cause brain damage. This brain damage then leads to depression, PTSD, anxiety and ultimately suicidality. It could be an inverse correlation.

 

[uglyugly]

Food plays a major role for me.. The more crap I eat, the worse I feel and the more depressed I am. By "crap" I mean junk food, chemical laden food, fast food, vegetable oils, processed sugar, processed foods period, and especially MSG and aspartame. My body does not like any of these things and it wrecks my mood if I eat them. I suspect the chemical pollutants in the air, water and earth aren't helping any of us, either, and neither is sitting in front of a screen all day (I do this sometimes.) . So I think brain chemistry is affected by a lot of things that science still doesn't want to look at. It would be helpful to see the whole picture.

 

[kavina]

Covid is bringing out a lot of autoimmune disease in people as well. All kinds of things from ME/CFS, POTS, MCAS. Hopefully we will one day have doctors who have studied these but for now we don't have much by way of treatments. My own doctor didn't even know what MCAS was or how to test for it. Millions of people are disabled due to LongCovid and post viral illness and the healthcare and medical establishments are turning a blind eye to the suffering and confused patients. They need to understand how Covid works and just how dangerous it still is. Doctor don't even try to protect you during an office visit.

 

[CTB Dream]

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[iloveloving]

Interesting thread. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Davey40210]

I read that the parts of your brain that you use become stronger. So constant anxiety and thoughts about suicide will reinforce those feelings. It makes sense.

 

[uniqueusername4]

If you look up structural changes in suicidal brains, you'll find tons of studies supporting the hypothesis that suicidality structurally changes the brain. From decreased amygdala's to severe inflammation. See this article for a summary: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-happens-body-brain-suidical_l_641db24ae4b00c3e6079c8c4/amp

Neuroplasticity is the only way out. And in my opinion, neuroplasticity only works if you aren't a case of poor health and deserving of a death with dignity. It's not as simple as just "deciding" to stay. It's not always possible. Im so sick of the "suicide awareness" marketing ploys that ignores this.

Im trying to build a list of suicidal-friendly resources for neuro plasticity. Will update here.

curious about those resources. I was on a journey at one point trying to reframe my thoughts and did well for quite some time. Once the suicidal ones start again, they can bleed over everything and really fast.

 

[Ligottian]

Groovy. Another reason to be miserable.

 

[wCvML2]

That is an important read. I do feel brain damage from all the stress my suicidal thoughts induced which is simultaneously both suicide-fuel to end it faster and avoid more misery from further damage and recovery-fuel to put in more effort to recover to not let the suicidal thoughts cause anymore damage.

 

[CatLvr]

curious about those resources. I was on a journey at one point trying to reframe my thoughts and did well for quite some time. Once the suicidal ones start again, they can bleed over everything and really fast.

This has been my experience also. I can "train them into a submission of sorts" but then something will happen and the floodgates will open again. I have learned that it is just a process with me and I need to remind myself that like everything else in my life it will come and go. In that respect I feel much luckier than some folks. The ones whose suicidal thoughts NEVER leave them. That must be some battle to fight, knowing it will be the same battle all over again tomorrow

 

[divinemistress36]

Mental illness is a slow death. Its just rotting your brain away

 

[uniqueusername4]

This has been my experience also. I can "train them into a submission of sorts" but then something will happen and the floodgates will open again. I have learned that it is just a process with me and I need to remind myself that like everything else in my life it will come and go. In that respect I feel much luckier than some folks. The ones whose suicidal thoughts NEVER leave them. That must be some battle to fight, knowing it will be the same battle all over again tomorrow

This is true, we can have gratitude that at least at some points we get a break!