Found this to be an interesting talk.

[ChaosDergon]

Its about how/why things are considered mental illness and thus medicalized which can end up taking your rights away. Along with suicidality, and the incorrectness of assuming it is part of a mental illness.The need for people to medicalize suicide rather then thinking that it could be rational choice someone in their right mind can make . It also touches on bodily autonomy and getting the help we need on our terms (ie our right to death or whatever else), not what they think we need (ie hospitalization). There is a lot touched on and I am bad at summaries.

This really stuck out for me: part of the reason suicide and insanity are so linked is it was a legal loophole to allow your possessions to be passed on; instead of being taken by the state.
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[weedoge]

Its about how/why things are considered mental illness and thus medicalized which can end up taking your rights away. Along with suicidality, and the incorrectness of assuming it is part of a mental illness.The need for people to medicalize suicide rather then thinking that it could be rational choice someone in their right mind can make . It also touches on bodily autonomy and getting the help we need on our terms (ie our right to death or whatever else), not what they think we need (ie hospitalization). There is a lot touched on and I am bad at summaries.

This really stuck out for me: part of the reason suicide and insanity are so linked is it was a legal loophole to allow your possessions to be passed on; instead of being taken by the state.
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Interesting stuff... I can't watch the video on my phone net unfortunately but your post reminded me... I was actually thinking the other day how suicide statistics might change if the right to die were embraced in even psych and therapy settings. If a therapist or similar worked more as a gatekeeper (I know some people wouldn't like this idea but we have to start somewhere) rather than having to preserve all life regardless. How many suicidal people might then be taken seriously, validated more with the acceptance that their life truly is their own, being given a space to explore those feelings freely with a nonjudging professional rather than one who must "save" you and so you must keep your true feelings hidden.

I think it would have a great effect in more than one way, those who wish to exit could do so without stigma, judgement etc etc the classic right to die goal but also it might allow some people to get treatment where they'd have simply killed themselves partially due to fear of seeking help.

 

[Final Escape]

That guy was annoying lol! On the YouTube vid.

 

[Jerryman]

Having a legal physician assisted death would be the ideal. Maybe one day this would become an option for us

 

[Kev]

It's very difficult for people to comprehend the complexity of the thoughts, feelings and reasons that might push one to kill themselves, so the medical community has distilled it to be a "disorder" or even worse, a "chemical imbalance". Most people don't understand that depression and suicidal ideation are not diseases, they are symptoms of a painful life, which itself is a symptom of a potentially infinite amount of combinations of various factors and reasons.

 

[ChaosDergon]

@weedoge Yeah. Its been in same vein of thought for me. Mostly I have been wondering about bodily autonomy and ones right to do what they want, with there own body. And why is it sometimes the act gets shoveled under a disorder and some don't. Along with the history of mental disorders and how they are classified. Since there are revisions throughout history, the video bring up homosexuality in this regard; and even how trans related stuff is going through this period of De-medicalization of the concept. Things like gate keepers are super annoying and frustrating, but also for the general public I can see their reasoning even if I do not agree. And that last part about reducing the stigma is great point; allowing those who want to exit to exit on there terms but also by removing the stigma to this, then it might be easier for those who would just exit rather then try to get help to try the help route first. Either way In the end would be everyone's own choice.


@Kev Its difficult for anyone to comprehend anyone else life and reasoning. For the more "extreme" for lack of a better word aspects its easy to just want to lump it into a medical problem. Like even trying to bridge the empathy gap for the pain someone feels is quite the hurdle, but its not on you to make others understand; it is for others to have enough empathy to believe you're in pain even if they cannot fully comprehend it.
Also yeah, depression is typically described as a chemical imbalance in the brain and what not. But rarely do people get into what could cause such things; there are so many possibilities/combinations of life factors. I in general want to keep it in realm of persons choice but I also want to make sure everyone makes informed choices (not done by impulse) but the problem is where does one draw the line of being informed choice vs un-informed. This question might seem simple, but really its not.

 

[bigj75]

It's very difficult for people to comprehend the complexity of the thoughts, feelings and reasons that might push one to kill themselves, so the medical community has distilled it to be a "disorder" or even worse, a "chemical imbalance". Most people don't understand that depression and suicidal ideation are not diseases, they are symptoms of a painful life, which itself is a symptom of a potentially infinite amount of combinations of various factors and reasons.

this! Very rarely is depression/suicide brought on by just a mental disease. It's brought on by having a fucked up life. people just can't get passed the fact that some people's lives get too fucked up to fix/handle so suicide is the best option.

 

[TAW122]

I along with @Kev and @bigj75. Until society and the medical field changes it's tune in regards to how suicide is viewed, sadly, suicide is always treated as a disorder or a disease rather than an 'legitimate' option or that the cause of it are due to life circumstances. Religion would first have to go out the window and then the whole "life is amazing" and other pro-life, pro-human values have to change to even have a chance at changing the status quo. Then after that, it will take incredible incentive economically for professionals (after the paradigm and attitudes have changed) to pursue it before it becomes a main thing.

Another thought is that doctors, healthcare professionals, and authorities sometimes make issues out of things that aren't really issues to begin with (kind of like fabricating, inventing bogus problems so they can treat a problem that wasn't there/created by themselves). It really is disgusting and sickening how they do this so they can make more money, step on the already vulnerable and weak who are already unable to fight back (legally, socially, or physically sometimes).

 

[bigj75]

I along with @Kev and @bigj75. Until society and the medical field changes it's tune in regards to how suicide is viewed, sadly, suicide is always treated as a disorder or a disease rather than an 'legitimate' option or that the cause of it are due to life circumstances. Religion would first have to go out the window and then the whole "life is amazing" and other pro-life, pro-human values have to change to even have a chance at changing the status quo. Then after that, it will take incredible incentive economically for professionals (after the paradigm and attitudes have changed) to pursue it before it becomes a main thing.

Another thought is that doctors, healthcare professionals, and authorities sometimes make issues out of things that aren't really issues to begin with (kind of like fabricating, inventing bogus problems so they can treat a problem that wasn't there/created by themselves). It really is disgusting and sickening how they do this so they can make more money, step on the already vulnerable and weak who are already unable to fight back (legally, socially, or physically sometimes).

Good post. The corruption involved is just horrorfying. But it's too late to do anything about it.

 

[Maravillosa]

I along with @Kev and @bigj75. Until society and the medical field changes it's tune in regards to how suicide is viewed, sadly, suicide is always treated as a disorder or a disease rather than an 'legitimate' option or that the cause of it are due to life circumstances. Religion would first have to go out the window and then the whole "life is amazing" and other pro-life, pro-human values have to change to even have a chance at changing the status quo. Then after that, it will take incredible incentive economically for professionals (after the paradigm and attitudes have changed) to pursue it before it becomes a main thing.

Another thought is that doctors, healthcare professionals, and authorities sometimes make issues out of things that aren't really issues to begin with (kind of like fabricating, inventing bogus problems so they can treat a problem that wasn't there/created by themselves). It really is disgusting and sickening how they do this so they can make more money, step on the already vulnerable and weak who are already unable to fight back (legally, socially, or physically sometimes).

I don't think that religion is ever going to completely "go out the window". Even if Christianity and the other Abrahamic religions become much less prominent, I suspect that many people will always have a desire to formally organize their spirituality and to express their belief in an afterlife in some way or another. But I think it is possible for some non-Abrahamic religions (perhaps some that already exist, perhaps some that will originate in the future) to look more favorably on ctb.

In the video, he was talking about SLS -- "shit life syndrome". Some people just have terrible lives and should not be forced to live them.