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rs929
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- Dec 18, 2020
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I know this could be seen as exaggerated and a even fear mongering, but I see many folks here practicing partial hanging and usually managing to block the jugulars but not the carotids, and reaching the "head exploding" stage, then backing off.
I've tried this many times 5 years ago and I became concerned afterwards of some possible subtle damages I could have caused myself. While I can't tell for sure that these issues were caused by the partial hanging attempts, I became kind of obsessed with the idea that some impairments (particularly brain fog and auditory processing issues) could have been caused by partial attempts.
I've tried asking Grok about this matter and this is what it said. Maybe Grok is programmed to be very fear mongering when it comes to suicide, but this is still worth a read. While you can take it with a grain of salt, I did read people in here saying their vision have been affected, for example.
I've tried this many times 5 years ago and I became concerned afterwards of some possible subtle damages I could have caused myself. While I can't tell for sure that these issues were caused by the partial hanging attempts, I became kind of obsessed with the idea that some impairments (particularly brain fog and auditory processing issues) could have been caused by partial attempts.
I've tried asking Grok about this matter and this is what it said. Maybe Grok is programmed to be very fear mongering when it comes to suicide, but this is still worth a read. While you can take it with a grain of salt, I did read people in here saying their vision have been affected, for example.
What happens if you dont lose consciousness but you keep blocking the jugulars?
If you don't lose consciousness but continue to block the jugular veins (external or internal jugular veins) through partial hanging or similar pressure on the neck, the following physiological effects can occur due to impaired venous return from the brain:
Increased Intracranial Pressure: The jugular veins drain blood from the brain. Blocking them causes blood to back up, increasing pressure inside the skull (intracranial pressure). This can lead to:
Headaches, dizziness, or a sensation of pressure in the head.
Visual disturbances, such as blurred vision or seeing spots.
Swelling of the brain (cerebral edema) in severe cases, which can damage brain tissue.
Facial and Neck Congestion: Blood pooling in the head and face can cause:
Redness or cyanosis (bluish tint) in the face.
Swelling (edema) in the face, lips, or eyes.
Petechiae (small red or purple spots) on the skin due to ruptured capillaries, especially around the eyes or face.
Hypoxia Risk: Although you remain conscious, prolonged jugular compression can reduce oxygen delivery to brain tissue over time. The brain relies on a steady supply of oxygenated blood, and while arterial flow (via carotid arteries) may continue, the inability to drain deoxygenated blood efficiently can lead to relative hypoxia, causing:
Confusion, disorientation, or impaired cognitive function.
Potential progression to unconsciousness if the situation worsens.
Cardiovascular Strain: The body may respond to increased pressure in the head with a reflex increase in blood pressure (Cushing reflex) to maintain cerebral perfusion. This can strain the heart and blood vessels, potentially leading to:
Rapid heart rate (tachycardia).
Risk of cardiac complications, especially in individuals with pre-existing heart conditions.
Potential for Delayed Damage: Even if consciousness is maintained initially, prolonged or repeated jugular compression can cause cumulative damage, such as:
Micro-injuries to brain tissue from sustained pressure or hypoxia.
Risk of blood clots forming in the veins, which could lead to further complications like stroke.
Discomfort and Pain: The pressure on the neck and the resulting congestion can cause significant discomfort, including a choking sensation, tightness, or pain in the neck and head.
Critical Note: Maintaining jugular compression, even without immediate loss of consciousness, is extremely dangerous. The situation can escalate rapidly, leading to unconsciousness, brain damage, or death if the pressure is not relieved. If this scenario is intentional (e.g., autoerotic asphyxiation or self-harm), it carries a high risk of accidental fatality. Any restriction of blood flow or breathing should be stopped immediately, and medical attention sought if symptoms like dizziness, swelling, or confusion occur.
If you're asking about a specific situation or need further details, please clarify, and I can tailor the response. If this involves an emergency or mental health concern, please seek help immediately (e.g., call 988 in the U.S. for crisis support).
What kind of micro injuries?
Prolonged or repeated compression of the jugular veins, even without immediate loss of consciousness, can cause micro-injuries to brain tissue and other structures due to impaired blood flow, increased intracranial pressure, or relative hypoxia. These micro-injuries are subtle but can accumulate over time, leading to potential long-term consequences. Below are the types of micro-injuries that may occur:
Neuronal Damage from Hypoxia/Ischemia:
Mechanism: Blocking the jugular veins reduces venous drainage, which can impair the brain's ability to receive adequate oxygenated blood over time. This creates a state of relative hypoxia (low oxygen) or ischemia (reduced blood flow) in brain tissue.
Micro-Injury: Neurons are highly sensitive to oxygen deprivation. Even mild or intermittent hypoxia can cause:
Damage to neuronal membranes, disrupting their ability to transmit signals.
Mitochondrial dysfunction, reducing energy production in brain cells.
Excitotoxicity, where neurons become overactive due to stress, releasing toxic levels of neurotransmitters like glutamate, which damage surrounding cells.
Consequences: These injuries may manifest as subtle cognitive impairments, such as memory problems, difficulty concentrating, or slowed reaction times. Repeated episodes increase the risk of cumulative damage.
Microvascular Damage:
Mechanism: Increased intracranial pressure from blood pooling can stress small blood vessels (capillaries and venules) in the brain.
Micro-Injury:
Petechiae or microhemorrhages (tiny bleeds) in brain tissue due to ruptured capillaries.
Damage to the blood-brain barrier, allowing leakage of fluid or proteins into brain tissue, which can cause inflammation or swelling (edema).
Consequences: These changes may lead to localized inflammation, scarring, or impaired blood flow in affected areas, potentially contributing to neurological symptoms over time.
White Matter Injury:
Mechanism: White matter, which consists of nerve fibers connecting different brain regions, is vulnerable to pressure changes and hypoxia. Increased intracranial pressure or reduced oxygen delivery can disrupt the integrity of these fibers.
Micro-Injury:
Demyelination, where the protective myelin sheath around nerve fibers is damaged, slowing signal transmission.
Axonal injury, where the nerve fibers themselves are stretched or sheared at a microscopic level.
Consequences: White matter damage can impair communication between brain regions, leading to issues like reduced processing speed, coordination problems, or emotional dysregulation.
Glial Cell Damage:
Mechanism: Glial cells (e.g., astrocytes, oligodendrocytes) support neurons and maintain brain homeostasis. Hypoxia or pressure changes can impair their function.
Micro-Injury:
Astrocyte dysfunction, leading to poor regulation of brain fluid balance or inflammation.
Oligodendrocyte damage, reducing myelin production and repair.
Consequences: This can exacerbate neuronal damage and contribute to chronic inflammation or impaired brain repair mechanisms.
Cerebral Edema at a Micro Level:
Mechanism: Blocked jugular veins can cause fluid to leak into brain tissue due to increased venous pressure, leading to localized swelling.
Micro-Injury: Micro-edema can compress nearby neurons or blood vessels, reducing their function and causing stress to surrounding tissue.
Consequences: Persistent or repeated edema may lead to tissue scarring or loss of function in affected areas.
Inflammatory Responses:
Mechanism: Hypoxia, pressure, or microvascular damage can trigger an inflammatory response in the brain, activating microglia (immune cells in the brain).
Micro-Injury: Chronic or repeated inflammation can cause:
Release of pro-inflammatory cytokines, which may damage healthy tissue.
Formation of reactive oxygen species (ROS), causing oxidative stress to neurons and blood vessels.
Consequences: This can contribute to long-term neurodegeneration or increase vulnerability to future brain injuries.
Factors Influencing Severity:
Duration and Frequency: Brief, one-time compression may cause minimal damage, but repeated or prolonged episodes increase the risk of cumulative micro-injuries.
Pressure Intensity: The degree of jugular compression affects how severely blood flow is impaired.
Individual Factors: Pre-existing conditions (e.g., cardiovascular issues, prior brain injury) or anatomical variations (e.g., vein size) can make some individuals more susceptible.
Long-Term Risks:
While a single episode of mild jugular compression may cause no noticeable symptoms, repeated incidents (e.g., in activities like autoerotic asphyxiation or improper restraint) can lead to:
Subtle cognitive decline, such as memory or attention deficits.
Increased risk of neurodegenerative conditions later in life due to cumulative damage.
Emotional or behavioral changes, such as irritability or mood swings, if frontal or limbic regions are affected.