• Hey Guest,

    As you know, censorship around the world has been ramping up at an alarming pace. The UK and OFCOM has singled out this community and have been focusing its censorship efforts here. It takes a good amount of resources to maintain the infrastructure for our community and to resist this censorship. We would appreciate any and all donations.

    Bitcoin Address (BTC): 39deg9i6Zp1GdrwyKkqZU6rAbsEspvLBJt

    Ethereum (ETH): 0xd799aF8E2e5cEd14cdb344e6D6A9f18011B79BE9

    Monero (XMR): 49tuJbzxwVPUhhDjzz6H222Kh8baKe6rDEsXgE617DVSDD8UKNaXvKNU8dEVRTAFH9Av8gKkn4jDzVGF25snJgNfUfKKNC8

  • Security update: At around 2:28AM EST, the site was labeled as malicious by Google erroneously, causing users to get a "Dangerous site" warning in most browsers. It appears that this was done by mistake and has been reversed by Google. It may take a few hours for you to stop seeing those warnings.

    If you're still getting these warnings, please let a member of staff know.
TimeLawyer

TimeLawyer

Now scheduled for deletion. Goodbye all
Oct 10, 2019
70
Does anyone else here feel like their reasons for CTB aren't good enough? Often when people talk about euthanasia or rational suicide, they say that someone who has a terminal or very severe physical condition, that that persons Ctb is likely to be far more rational than someone who wants to CTb for more emotional reasons, e.g. depression, relationship breakup, unemployment etc. I was just wondering, what are you guys' views on this? Personally I want to ctb because I have been unemployed for several years and it is getting so stressful that I just don't want to continue anymore. So my question for you guys is this: when someone wishes to ctb, when is someone's reason not good enough? Does it have to be rational to everyone else, to the person's family or loved ones, or just to themselves? Is rationality a requirement in the first place?
 
  • Like
  • Hugs
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner, notMyRealName, ImsooDone1N and 6 others
Malletboy

Malletboy

Member
Nov 27, 2019
52
I personally believe that any reason is reason enough to ctb. It is your decision, a rather final one, to end your suffering. I don't Think anyone else's reasoning invalidates yours. If life has become too difficult for you to bear, you should have the right to end it.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner, zeroambition, ArtVandelay and 6 others
Hydrokhoos

Hydrokhoos

Member
Dec 1, 2019
68
It's really up to the individual. If you think yours needs to be better rationalized, then maybe your subconscious recognizes the unemployment won't be forever and there's still hope. Despite the laws and acceptable euthanasia clinics trying to define what's right and what's wrong, no one can answer this but you.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner and Final Escape
NitriteAnatomy

NitriteAnatomy

Lost. Alone. Trapped. Need escape.
Nov 21, 2019
450
Personally, everyone's reasons are their own. We never truly know just what someone has gone through or are going through in their heads and hearts. There are few reasons I, personally, can think of that are rather.....mundane, such as merely failing a test, for example. Getting yelled at and just having a normal type of bad day is another. But, regardless, everyone's reasons are theirs and it's wrong for us to judge anyone that is truly ready to cash in their ticket.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner, Retard, OreoWellington and 3 others
R

Rohit

Member
Oct 22, 2019
61
Does anyone else here feel like their reasons for CTB aren't good enough? Often when people talk about euthanasia or rational suicide, they say that someone who has a terminal or very severe physical condition, that that persons Ctb is likely to be far more rational than someone who wants to CTb for more emotional reasons, e.g. depression, relationship breakup, unemployment etc. I was just wondering, what are you guys' views on this? Personally I want to ctb because I have been unemployed for several years and it is getting so stressful that I just don't want to continue anymore. So my question for you guys is this: when someone wishes to ctb, when is someone's reason not good enough? Does it have to be rational to everyone else, to the person's family or loved ones, or just to themselves? Is rationality a requirement in the first place?

I personally feel , ctb is purely emotional. Depression , terminal illness, lost loved ones are pretty much painful and not everyone can handle it and lead a life. It depends on their emotional ability. Similarly for other things like unemployment... Taking a call is a individual choice depending up on their ability to handle and control their issues. You can't make a judgement unless some petty things like dad didn't purchased me iPhone , relocated to new place and missed friends...

I am sorry if anyone offended by the examples I mentioned. But if anyone feels if the situation is beyond the repair or he/she doesn't have ability to tackle the condition , it is not bad decision
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner, ImsooDone1N, MeltingHeart and 1 other person
ThingWithFeathers

ThingWithFeathers

Student
Sep 23, 2019
195
What's rationality anyways? Can anyone rationally define it? 2500 years ago Euripides said, "Talk sense to a fool and he will call you foolish." How can anyone tell anyone to be happy, or when to be sad or how much to cry? It's all subjective. But again, what if I want to CTB because I couldn't meet my favorite Robin Williams because he killed himself. What if I wanted to off myself at age 10 when I found out my favorite cartoon show is coming to an end. Is my reason to CTB good enough that I'm unable to double my profit from investments. How about I die because my dog died. What is rational to you may be irrational or even laughable to someone else.

In law, the jury and the judge always rely on a fictitious reasonable person as a benchmark to test the validity of a proposition, to check if it makes sense, to see if it is rational. In personal choices, we are our own jury and the judge. As long as there is some probability of the possibility that something can be replaced, or changed, or get better, or become acceptable that will keep you alive, then you know rationally that you can live.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: wearingmyheart, protonic76, ImsooDone1N and 2 others
Moonicide

Moonicide

ᴘʜᴀꜱᴇꜱ ᴏꜰ ᴛʜᴇ ᴍᴏᴏɴ
Nov 19, 2019
802
When it comes to ctb there is no such thing as good enough. There is no right or wrong in the persons decision to ctb. Everyone has that right to be in control of their own life and if that means ending it, then that's also valid. We all have our own story and no one can take that away from us. No one gets to determine if our reasoning is 'good enough.' Your reason to ctb is valid and you are the one living with yourself. No one else is... No one gets to the point of ctb over one minuscule thing, it takes so much thought, so much hurt, and pain, to get to ctb. We do not get to this point in our lives overnight. We all sit with the suffering for quite some time before we do act on it.

At the end of the day, everyone deserves to be at peace.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner, ImsooDone1N, Time and 8 others
R

raybd

Member
Dec 4, 2019
88
Honestly, many problems that drive people to CTB are fixable. May be some change of time and circumstance is what it takes. If unemployment is your only problem, relocation to a booming place, or getting some re-training - so many options exist. I don't know your situation. My point is material problems often have solutions. There are lot of medical grey areas. Those cases are a lot clearer - the ones Dignitas, Exit Intl. etc. try to address. But, it is the individual's take as to whether their life is worth living or not. And that varies from culture to culture, nation to nation and so forth. Remember the movie the Last Samurai, the defeated American warrior wasn't expected to commit hara-kiri. If it is purely unemployment - come on people have lived through the Great Depression, the dot-com bust of 2001, the market crashes of 2008... you get the idea... unemployment would be 99% of the time fixable. I wouldn't know if you are in that 1%. An example from India - farmers regularly commit suicide due to loans, crop failures, failed monsoons and so on. But the real problem is traditional farming is getting outmoded, with increased urbanization, people are changing diet and consumption patterns. What happened in the US right after WWII, with traditional farming declining, is now happening. No govt can fix this. Now, if you say, "Born a farmer, will die a farmer", there isn't much to debate. May be learning improving crop techniques or irrigation techniques are there, but that is all. If not this year, then the next year - at some point, most farms will collapse. But, some flexibility or willingness to take to other professions and so on, you could survive.
There's no one clear answer to your question. BUT, if it is a purely material problem, there are bound to be solutions and CTB is unnecessary - 99% of the time.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner, APharmaDestroyedLife, MeltingHeart and 1 other person
Sweet emotion

Sweet emotion

Enlightened
Sep 14, 2019
1,325
Does anyone else here feel like their reasons for CTB aren't good enough? Often when people talk about euthanasia or rational suicide, they say that someone who has a terminal or very severe physical condition, that that persons Ctb is likely to be far more rational than someone who wants to CTb for more emotional reasons, e.g. depression, relationship breakup, unemployment etc. I was just wondering, what are you guys' views on this? Personally I want to ctb because I have been unemployed for several years and it is getting so stressful that I just don't want to continue anymore. So my question for you guys is this: when someone wishes to ctb, when is someone's reason not good enough? Does it have to be rational to everyone else, to the person's family or loved ones, or just to themselves? Is rationality a requirement in the first place?

Depression is a huge entity that destroys lives and sometimes is unable to overcome. I want to CTB because I have Complex regional pain syndrome which is the highest ranking pain condition in medical history. I've had it for over 14 years and can't see myself living much longer with it. But when I was 15-17 I suffered very badly with OCD and I wanted to die because of that. I had extreme anxiety and depression as I do now because of this condition. Sometimes I ask myself God what is worse the pain or the depression it brings? I think there are no certain reasons necessary to want to die. If something is making you that miserable to the point where you can't imagine going in then it's very real to you. It doesn't have to make sense to other people. I knew my reason for wanting to die at 15-17 wasn't rational. I knew my problem was ridiculous but it didn't stop me from wanting to end it all. The mind is a very muscle...I know it's not muscle but bear with me...and many times we aren't able to control it. I once heard the mind is an instrument but don't let it play you. Well it doesn't work like that for everyone. A lot of people have chemical I'm balances that cause the problem. I mean if someone said they wanted to kill themselves because they didn't like grass, I have to admit my I would think that is a little peculiar. But I highly doubt anyone ever killed themselves because of that reason.

For you, being unemployed must bring up a lot of depressing thoughts. Maybe you feel worthless or inadequate or useless. I haven't worked in 14 years due to my condition and that is the way I feel. So being unemployed can bring up many thoughts that make life unbearable. You don't have to prove anything to anyone just remember that. I hope you find peace one way or another.
Does anyone else here feel like their reasons for CTB aren't good enough? Often when people talk about euthanasia or rational suicide, they say that someone who has a terminal or very severe physical condition, that that persons Ctb is likely to be far more rational than someone who wants to CTb for more emotional reasons, e.g. depression, relationship breakup, unemployment etc. I was just wondering, what are you guys' views on this? Personally I want to ctb because I have been unemployed for several years and it is getting so stressful that I just don't want to continue anymore. So my question for you guys is this: when someone wishes to ctb, when is someone's reason not good enough? Does it have to be rational to everyone else, to the person's family or loved ones, or just to themselves? Is rationality a requirement in the first place?
Do you mind if I ask why have you been unemployed for so long? And what feelings does it bring up for you?
 
Last edited:
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner
NeCkDeEp

NeCkDeEp

Experienced
Nov 30, 2019
285
There's NO good or not good enough when you feel like this, I mean, you are not the one who makes the choice to feel like this.
You don't wake up one day with the thought of 'k I'm gonna be really suicidal from now on', your feelings are valid.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ImsooDone1N, OreoWellington and ninthhokage
Misanthrope

Misanthrope

Mage
Oct 23, 2018
557
The fact you are on this forum speaks volumes to the pain you must be in. I am not going to answer why a reason may not be good enough or even why a reason may be good enough. Because whatever the reason there is some sort of pain at the heart of it. Must be pretty bad if you are here. A better focus is if you can address that pain.

Being unemployed is most definitely stressful, and I can't help feel that maybe you are taking your unemployment to a self-flagellating place, which is going to make it even more stressful if you personalise the indifferent systems out there to be reflective of who you are as a person.

I wrote this a while back. Maybe it will help a bit.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/you-are-not-worthless-unemployment.11143/
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner, ImsooDone1N, Retard and 1 other person
LegaliseIt!

LegaliseIt!

Elementalist
Nov 29, 2019
808
I don't divide the decision dichotomy into rational/irrational, because it is so subjective. Personally, I think that my desire to ctb was impulsive and less rational when I was under 18. Once I reached adulthood, my reasoning around ctb, my desire to limit collateral damage, my ability to research methods, and the underlying issues all became more competent.
Thus, I am pro-choice for adults. I struggle with suicide in those under 18, only based on my own experience.
To those under 18, I don't minimize your pain, but I beg you to pause until your brain is fully developed and you are legally allowed to chart your own course.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner and Jean4
T

TotallyIsolated

Mage
Nov 25, 2019
590
OMG yes I feel like such a petty, petulant little child for wanting to CTB. Why don't I just grow up and deal with it. Other people have things WAY worse. I'm just sulking because I've never had the guts to even try going out and meeting someone. Its my own fault that I'm so lonely. Plus I could get a job tomorrow if I actually tried. Other people don't bitch and whine about it like I do. Its pathetic.
 
  • Hugs
  • Love
Reactions: patheticpartner, ImsooDone1N and Retard
Retard

Retard

Member
Dec 7, 2019
32
OMG yes I feel like such a petty, petulant little child for wanting to CTB. Why don't I just grow up and deal with it. Other people have things WAY worse. I'm just sulking because I've never had the guts to even try going out and meeting someone. Its my own fault that I'm so lonely. Plus I could get a job tomorrow if I actually tried. Other people don't bitch and whine about it like I do. Its pathetic.
Consciously or subconsciously, you probably have very valid reasons for not trying to do these things (fear of rejection, etc). Speaking personally, it's not pleasant to experience rejection (especially repeatedly), and having gone through it many times it only serves to compound feelings of worthlessness, rather than getting any easier. We can only take so much, and everybody's thresholds are different. It's not pathetic to avoid these kind of things - it's very rational in its own way. So don't be too harsh on yourself about it :heart:
Sorry if the above doesn't make sense or is annoying, I haven't slept in several days so am not very cogent right now. Just trying to to get out of my head for a while by talking and sharing with people on here
 
  • Love
  • Hugs
  • Aww..
Reactions: patheticpartner, ImsooDone1N, TotallyIsolated and 1 other person
Jean4

Jean4

Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
Apr 28, 2019
7,557
4
Consciously or subconsciously, you probably have very valid reasons for not trying to do these things (fear of rejection, etc). Speaking personally, it's not pleasant to experience rejection (especially repeatedly), and having gone through it many times it only serves to compound feelings of worthlessness, rather than getting any easier. We can only take so much, and everybody's thresholds are different. It's not pathetic to avoid these kind of things - it's very rational in its own way. So don't be too harsh on yourself about it :heart:
Sorry if the above doesn't make sense or is annoying, I haven't slept in several days so am not very cogent right now. Just trying to to get out of my head for a while by talking and sharing with people on here
Made perfect sense. Now try and get some sleep!
 
  • Love
  • Like
Reactions: patheticpartner, ImsooDone1N and Retard
T

TotallyIsolated

Mage
Nov 25, 2019
590
Consciously or subconsciously, you probably have very valid reasons for not trying to do these things (fear of rejection, etc). Speaking personally, it's not pleasant to experience rejection (especially repeatedly), and having gone through it many times it only serves to compound feelings of worthlessness, rather than getting any easier. We can only take so much, and everybody's thresholds are different. It's not pathetic to avoid these kind of things - it's very rational in its own way. So don't be too harsh on yourself about it :heart:
Sorry if the above doesn't make sense or is annoying, I haven't slept in several days so am not very cogent right now. Just trying to to get out of my head for a while by talking and sharing with people on here
Thank you.

Are you at the hallucination phase yet? I was seeing insects everywhere last time I stayed up that long. I hope you can find some rest soon :)
 
  • Love
  • Like
Reactions: patheticpartner, ImsooDone1N and Retard
W

Willow

Member
Sep 16, 2018
23
I feel like I just simply want to ctb and the reasons can change from day to day. Whatever stressful thing I'm facing, I will react with wanting to kill myself. Maybe this is because I have bipolar disorder and that is the underlying cause.
Whatever your reasons are, they are real and valid and painful for you to experience. I'm not saying you should ctb, just that it would hurt even more if you are minimizing how painful unemployment can be.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ImsooDone1N
Retard

Retard

Member
Dec 7, 2019
32
4

Made perfect sense. Now try and get some sleep!
Good to know! Thank you :)
Going to try and sleep again in a little while. You should try and get some yourself soon!
Truly sorry to see all the pain you've experienced recently... :heart: Have been crying my eyes out over Stan's thread. Such a beautiful soul.
Thank you.

Are you at the hallucination phase yet? I was seeing insects everywhere last time I stayed up that long. I hope you can find some rest soon :)
Thanks :) I was extremely on edge last night; my bedroom door appeared to keep opening and closing and thought I kept hearing strange sounds from other rooms. Screamed a couple of times which hopefully didn't wake the neighbours up! Don't think I've ever experienced severe hallucinations like insects being everywhere though, apart from when taking prescription sleep meds where the visual/audio hallucinations can be extreme if you don't fall asleep fast enough. Hope you don't have to go through that again any time soon!
 
RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
2,151
It's your choice alone and if you're feeling suicidal for whatever reason, that's totally fine. All reasons are valid, in my opinion, regardless of age, background and severity of struggles. It doesn't matter if you're simply tired of life, if you struggle financially, if you suffer from chronic pain, if you're haunted from mental illness or if you're in a constant state of loneliness. Maybe you suffer from all of these problems combined. These reasons can be medical, social or financial and they can be very diverse for all of us. They're different for all of us. They're all valid reasons and most importantly, if these reasons are strong enough to create a constant desire for eternal non-existence in you, in other words: you want to die, then that's totally valid in my opinion. If the idea of death outweights the reasons to continue living, then you already convinced the only person you must ever convince: yourself. And that's all you ever need to do. Like, I never talked to people in this forum and thought that their reasons to be here aren't valid enough. In fact, that just doesn't happen. Basically any person I met so far, in the 1.5 years I was active in this forum, convinced me that they're struggling from serious problems, worthly of an exit - and if that's their desire, they have every right to do so. My judgement doesn't matter. If you think you're suicidal, you answered your question around validity.

And that's the point of this forum: you are all welcome, no matter the circumstances or reasons that led you to this website.
It doesn't matter if you're a 25, 45 or 65 years old member. They might have different problems, but that's my point is: they're equally valid. I don't like the gate keeping that is sometimes practiced around suicide. There is already enough of that out there in the psychiatric system and in society in general, in one way or another. Like, either you don't get taken seriously by people and they dismiss you as an attention seeker or they take you so seriously to the point where you get locked up instantly in a psych ward, taking away all of your autonomy. Either way, it creates a stigma around suicide and it's harmful - the question of validity certainly plays into that sigma. It's also worth to mention that suicide shouldn't work like a competition, like certain struggles don't become valid just because they pass a certain pain "level" - because that's not measurable and comparable at all.

In my opinion, suicide shouldn't even be justified. Like, it would be totally fine if someone finds this forum, researches their method and simply heads out, without any explanation or defense at all - and I am sure that happened daily, since the forum was created. I think only a tiny minority of people actually stay around long enough to even talk about their problems. Most people just want to get it done and escape their pain. And justifying your exit simply isn't necessary because it would imply that life in general is worth living and that you need to somehow debunk this notion with arguments. It isn't and literally not one single person ever consented to their birth, that's something that gets overlooked every time we talk about suicide. So why should we justify our exit if we didn't even want to experience life in the first place. It just doesn't make sense and the question around validity doesn't address that either.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: realjunes, WhyIsLife56 and ImsooDone1N
WhyIsLife56

WhyIsLife56

Antinatalism + Efilism ❤️
Nov 4, 2019
1,075
It's your choice alone and if you're feeling suicidal for whatever reason, that's totally fine. All reasons are valid, in my opinion, regardless of age, background and severity of struggles. It doesn't matter if you're simply tired of life, if you struggle financially, if you suffer from chronic pain, if you're haunted from mental illness or if you're in a constant state of loneliness. Maybe you suffer from all of these problems combined. These reasons can be medical, social or financial and they can be very diverse for all of us. They're different for all of us. They're all valid reasons and most importantly, if these reasons are strong enough to create a constant desire for eternal non-existence in you, in other words: you want to die, then that's totally valid in my opinion. If the idea of death outweights the reasons to continue living, then you already convinced the only person you must ever convince: yourself. And that's all you ever need to do. Like, I never talked to people in this forum and thought that their reasons to be here aren't valid enough. In fact, that just doesn't happen. Basically any person I met so far, in the 1.5 years I was active in this forum, convinced me that they're struggling from serious problems, worthly of an exit - and if that's their desire, they have every right to do so. My judgement doesn't matter. If you think you're suicidal, you answered your question around validity.

And that's the point of this forum: you are all welcome, no matter the circumstances or reasons that led you to this website.
It doesn't matter if you're a 25, 45 or 65 years old member. They might have different problems, but that's my point is: they're equally valid. I don't like the gate keeping that is sometimes practiced around suicide. There is already enough of that out there in the psychiatric system and in society in general, in one way or another. Like, either you don't get taken seriously by people and they dismiss you as an attention seeker or they take you so seriously to the point where you get locked up instantly in a psych ward, taking away all of your autonomy. Either way, it creates a stigma around suicide and it's harmful - the question of validity certainly plays into that sigma. It's also worth to mention that suicide shouldn't work like a competition, like certain struggles don't become valid just because they pass a certain pain "level" - because that's not measurable and comparable at all.

In my opinion, suicide shouldn't even be justified. Like, it would be totally fine if someone finds this forum, researches their method and simply heads out, without any explanation or defense at all - and I am sure that happened daily, since the forum was created. I think only a tiny minority of people actually stay around long enough to even talk about their problems. Most people just want to get it done and escape their pain. And justifying your exit simply isn't necessary because it would imply that life in general is worth living and that you need to somehow debunk this notion with arguments. It isn't and literally not one single person ever consented to their birth, that's something that gets overlooked every time we talk about suicide. So why should we justify our exit if we didn't even want to experience life in the first place. It just doesn't make sense and the question around validity doesn't address that either.
Well said ❤️
 
  • Like
Reactions: ImsooDone1N
R

raybd

Member
Dec 4, 2019
88
Honestly, many problems that drive people to CTB are fixable. May be some change of time and circumstance is what it takes. If unemployment is your only problem, relocation to a booming place, or getting some re-training - so many options exist. I don't know your situation. My point is material problems often have solutions. There are lot of medical grey areas. Those cases are a lot clearer - the ones Dignitas, Exit Intl. etc. try to address. But, it is the individual's take as to whether their life is worth living or not. And that varies from culture to culture, nation to nation and so forth. Remember the movie the Last Samurai, the defeated American warrior wasn't expected to commit hara-kiri. If it is purely unemployment - come on people have lived through the Great Depression, the dot-com bust of 2001, the market crashes of 2008... you get the idea... unemployment would be 99% of the time fixable. I wouldn't know if you are in that 1%. An example from India - farmers regularly commit suicide due to loans, crop failures, failed monsoons and so on. But the real problem is traditional farming is getting outmoded, with increased urbanization, people are changing diet and consumption patterns. What happened in the US right after WWII, with traditional farming declining, is now happening. No govt can fix this. Now, if you say, "Born a farmer, will die a farmer", there isn't much to debate. May be learning improving crop techniques or irrigation techniques are there, but that is all. If not this year, then the next year - at some point, most farms will collapse. But, some flexibility or willingness to take to other professions and so on, you could survive.
There's no one clear answer to your question. BUT, if it is a purely material problem, there are bound to be solutions and CTB is unnecessary - 99% of the time.
When I say traditional farming is getting outmoded in India - I mean about 200-400 million people at the minimum, more than the population of most countries in the world, people who are illiterate or barely literate - slowly but steadily losing their way of life. With no solution. It's just the march of time.
 
Quax

Quax

Student
Nov 16, 2019
140
There are no good or bad reasons....there are just reasons..... and those are individually.....
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Rahat