Extracting N/lessening liquid

[Viden]

Is there a way to lessen the amount of liquid in the 200ml of N?

 

[GeorgeJL]

Is there a way to lessen the amount of liquid in the 200ml of N?

Yeah get the powder form or extract the N. The PPH details how to extract N.

 

[angie]

Yeah get the powder form or extract the N. The PPH details how to extract N.

extract the N from what ?? how ?

 

[GeorgeJL]

extract the N from what ?? how ?

Well I was referring to extracting it from a veterinarian liquid bottle. N isn't found in nature so you can't extract it from a plant. LOL

 

[Bilbobaggins]

We've been through this before on this forum, some months ago. There is no way to reduce the volume of A's liquid without some serious chemistry skills. Simply reducing with vinegar and filter papers renders it ineffective.

 

[angie]

Well I was referring to extracting it from a veterinarian liquid bottle. N isn't found in nature so you can't extract it from a plant. LOL

think the person was asking if the 200ml could be condensed in some sort of way .they meant having same strength but lessening the amount to still be effective .
its obvious you can draw a smaller amount out the veterinary liquid bottle ,but dont think thats what they were meaning

 

[Viden]

Yeah get the powder form or extract the N. The PPH details how to extract N.

Really? I couldn't find anything like that in the ppeh. Which chapter?

 

[fisil]

Maybe it helps you don't drink a day before and getting some drinks before N.

 

[voool]

You need serious chemistry skills. And probably equipment

 

[Viden]

You need serious chemistry skills. And probably equipment

Blah, okay. I've extracted taxine from yew leaves which wasn't too hard, but I'm guessing this is much more involved. Even a crude extraction, just to lessen the amount of liquid I need to drink, but I think I'll be able to do it. Does anyone know how long the aftertaste takes to be in effect. But all that doesn't matter after I drink it. If I could, I'd rather have a tube into my stomach, like an endoesophageal tube and just push the N through it into my stomach. I have some medical training. I just read that gingerplum is no longer with us. How did this user ctb, what method was used?

 

[Bilbobaggins]

I would be concerned of passing out before you got all of the N through the tube. Would take some time with an NG tube wouldn't it?

 

[Viden]

I'm cool with an ng tube. It seeems like it will take 1-2 mins to unconsciousness. I'm thinking that would be enough time to push 200ml.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Really? I couldn't find anything like that in the ppeh. Which chapter?

It might have been in an older version of the PPH.

 

[Viden]

It might have been in an older version of the PPH.

Why is it not in the new versions?

 

[Deleted member 4993]

It was an idea that was not practical so vanished.
Even if performed by people with knowledge & experience it resulted in a huge loss of the actual product.

 

[Elek]

If you can't drink it you could try to take it by IV, I should be even more peaceful as long as you'll be unconscious well before the lethal dose is administered.

 

[Meretlein]

It would be easier to just make it yourself rather than risk 600 dollars worth of N.

Here is a recipe (I don't understand anything but some people here might)

 

[Deleted member 4993]

Pentobarbitone. (Called Nembutal or Pentobarbital.) 26.7 g of clean metallic sodium are dissolved in 400 g of anhydrous (dry) ethanol. To this, a solution of 100 g of 1-methyl butyl-ethyl malonic ester and 37.2 g of dry urea is added. The mixture is heated for 4 to 6 hours in an autoclave, or refluxed for 20 to 40 hours. The alcohol is then removed by distillation. The residue is dissolved in water and this aqueous solution is acidified with hydrochloric acid. The precipitated product is filtered, washed with cold water, and recrystallized from boiling water. Yield: depends on your ability to exclude H2O from the beginning of the reaction, mp: 127-130°C.

Good luck with that :-)

 

[GeorgeJL]

Why is it not in the new versions?

Because many people wouldn't use it. The cogen use to be in a previous version of the PPH now it's not there anymore I think.

 

[Viden]

Because many people wouldn't use it. The cogen use to be in a previous version of the PPH now it's not there anymore I think.

People won't use it because its too complex and requires a bunch of stuff?

 

[Deleted member 4993]

People won't use it because its too complex and requires a bunch of stuff?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/death-tourist-plans-her-exit-20070401-ge4kfv.html

The supposed method was never published in any PPH edition. It was an idea by PN that wasn't practical and was only to extend the shelf life by reducing to crystals.
The crystals would need to be reformed back into a soluble solution to be effective and a big part of the original would be lost. A crazy idea.

 

[intr0naut]

The method was published in the old editions of PPeH but the purpose of it was mainly the long term storage. However, the impracticabilities of the method as well as better storage options availability, has lead to removing it from the book.
The method is basically converting the pentobarbital sodium from the liquid to the pentobarbital's free acid crystals (which are insoluble in water hence can't be used for ctb) by adding vinegar or HCL and then back to the pentobarbital sodium. The process is very difficult for a person without professional or specialized knowledge on the subject and no clear guidelines were ever been published by PPeH (the exact amount of vinegar/HCL for conversion or sodium carbonate for re-conversion). Also, like Passingby mentions above, you'll loose up to 40% of your N, possibly more if you don't know what you're doing.