Explain this baffling anti-suicide platitude?

[thetwilightzone]

Suicide is like stealing, instead of struggling/surviving

Saw this on Reddits, /r/changemyview. The OP was about how suicide should be a human right. As expected, ther dozen posts consisted of these points

• suicidial ideation = mental illness
• suicide doesn't end the pain, it only passes it on
• society isn't about the individual. suicide causes instability

The only one I don't get is the stealing one. What are they trying to convey? Is this just another version of "the easy way out"?

If so, it's a pointless and false comparison. stealing erodes trust between people and one can work. As well as that it's incredibly impractical (hand to mouth life sucks) "Toughening out" with life however makes no difference because in the end, we'll die. This is what people don't understand, there's no difference between dying at 20 and dying at 80 if the individual chooses it. Struggling for those 60 years is pointless.

 

[RacilyDank]

Suicide is like stealing, instead of struggling/surviving

Saw this on Reddits, /r/changemyview. The OP was about how suicide should be a human right. As expected, ther dozen posts consisted of these points

• suicidial ideation = mental illness
• suicide doesn't end the pain, it only passes it on
• society isn't about the individual. suicide causes instability

The only one I don't get is the stealing one. What are they trying to convey? Is this just another version of "the easy way out"?

If so, it's a pointless and false comparison. stealing erodes trust between people and one can work. As well as that it's incredibly impractical (hand to mouth life sucks) "Toughening out" with life however makes no difference because in the end, we'll die. This is what people don't understand, there's no difference between dying at 20 and dying at 80 if the individual chooses it. Struggling for those 60 years is pointless.

Yes, they are trying to convey the message that suicide is like stealing from others rather than surviving with what you've got. In a sense, it is. It depends on the view of the individual.

I'm pro choice, but I understand the point of view of people who aren't, I just think it's a lack of insight on their part, which isn't entirely unforgivable.

The whole debate is kind of moot when you consider everyone's view is completely different based on their experiences, upbringing and values.

The same way that 'suicide doesn't end the pain, it only passes it on' is right and wrong, depending who you ask. I see the sentiment I just don't agree with it.

 

[NoHope]

"Toughening out" with life however makes no difference because in the end, we'll die. This is what people don't understand, there's no difference between dying at 20 and dying at 80 if the individual chooses it. Struggling for those 60 years is pointless.

Yes, absolutely. Some people think that they will get some kind of reward for "toughing it out" through life and that everyone must do the same and live no matter how shitty their life is. They refuse to accept that people are different and not everyone can and wants to endure pointless suffering every single day until the end just to prove some point or not disappoint other people.

 

[bigj75]

Yes, absolutely. Some people think that they will get some kind of reward for "toughing it out" through life and that everyone must do the same and live no matter how shitty their life is. They refuse to accept that people are different and not everyone can and wants to endure pointless suffering every single day until the end just to prove some point or not disappoint other people.

Suffering is subjective. Nomatter how similar someone's life is they will experience degrees of suffering differently.

 

[Christy]

All people can imagine scenarios in which they'd rather be dead. The ones who deny it are not thinking hard enough. It makes me so mad that we do not have euthanasia ..... We all have to die and I don't get the mentality that keeping people alive no matter what is the only right thing to do. We should not even have to resort to painful suicide, peaceful medical options should be available to every single person on Earth. Nobody should have to put up with more than they can handle .

 

[Nofaith]

Yes, they are trying to convey the message that suicide is like stealing from others rather than surviving with what you've got. In a sense, it is. It depends on the view of the individual.

So it still comes down to how suicide will affects others and not so much about the individual suffering.

Got to give them credit for coming up with a new platitude.

 

[Nlnp2]

• suicidial ideation = mental illness
• suicide doesn't end the pain, it only passes it on
• society isn't about the individual. suicide causes instability

1. I can philosophically (philosophy = the science of reason. And we know that rationality cannot be considered a side effect of a mental illness because that would be absurd. So If I demonstrate that suicide can be rational, then we can conclude that suicide is not always the side effect of a mental illness) prove the opposite.

2. The premise is false if we assume that death is the end because we know that if you don't exist, you can't feel pain. If you don't exist and you still feel pain, then you still exist. If death is not the end, we can make an educated guess and assume that it is at least the end of the situation the suicidal person found himself in before killing himself for a certain amount of time. The conclusion is irrelevant because not every suicidal person cares about anyone else other than himself. I would also argue that at least in some cases the pain of the suicidal person outnumbers the potential pain his associates might feel after he kills himself.

3. You're assuming that every suicidal person cares about society. From my own perspective (A suicidal person who does not care about society) society is only relevant to me as long as it provides me the help I need to survive. When survival is no longer a goal, and it's replaced with self-termination, society loses his only objective value related to me, the individual.

Society is only important from the perspective of society. I consider myself a separated entity.
If society has a different interest than me, it can try to stop me, but that will only result in myself trying to stop society from stopping me.

(sorry for the english)

 

[Slacker]

if you are suffering, and you feel bad, you always can turn every reason for not to suicide into a reason to suicide.
I don´t think it has something to do about logic, it´s just argumentation.
No one can be 100% objective.
That´s why I´m just not too much into philosophy.

If I find arguments I like, then I stick to them.
If I just can´t relate to the arguments of the opposite side, I just ignore them, ...

There is not the one and only truth.
If you want to suicide, then just do it.
It doesn´t matter what other people think about you... especially when you want to die anyway.

Suffering is subjective. No matter how similar someone's life is they will experience degrees of suffering differently.

+1

 

[Jaded]

That kind of BS almost enrages me. If someone can't take anymore then they should be allowed to end their suffering.

 

[Jaded]

. It makes me so mad that we do not have euthanasia ..... We all have to die and I don't get the mentality that keeping people alive no matter what is the only right thing to do. We should not even have to resort to painful suicide, peaceful medical options should be available to every single person on Earth. Nobody should have to put up with more than they can handle .

I just feel like the world is evil. Why else would euthanasia not be allowed when you have massacres and everything else. It's disgusting. It sickens me.

 

[Taylored]

"Suicide ideation=Mental Illness"
The ignorance in saying that people shouldn't be forced into doing stuff they don't want to do. Suicide ideation isn't bad. It's only selfish to force a Human being to keep living a life they don't want to continue that is selfish. It isn't selfish to take your own life since you didn't chose that life so you should be able to end it whenever you want.