JustOverIt

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26:30 is when Nitschke starts talking about Inorganic Salts (SN)
 
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Thanks very much for this!
 
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PN increased the recommended dosage of SN to 20g from 15g...(around 44:10) I am wondering how much it will be in a year or two.
 
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PN increased the recommended dosage of SN to 20g from 15g...(around 44:10) I am wondering how much it will be in a year or two.

I am also worried that he said the next 20 monitored death could be extremely painful. To me at least, this SN thing which has been recommended for over a year is still based on guesswork.
 
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I am also worried that he said the next 20 monitored death could be extremely painful. To me at least, this SN thing which has been recommended for over a year is still based on guesswork.

That was purely a hypothetical. Nitschke doesn't rule out things. He is very critical and honest. Yes that is true. SN method is still in its early days, however it is because of that, that this method is still readily available and accessible. I'm very wary that authorities will find a way to restrict the inorganic salts completely.
 
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That was purely a hypothetical. Nitschke doesn't rule out things. He is very critical and honest. Yes that is true. SN method is still in its early days, however it is because of that, that this method is still readily available and accessible. I'm very wary that authorities will find a way to restrict the inorganic salts completely.
sodium azide is a bit difficult to get already. i was surprised to find some listings on amazon but really no one on Google.
 
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That was purely a hypothetical. Nitschke doesn't rule out things. He is very critical and honest. Yes that is true. SN method is still in its early days, however it is because of that, that this method is still readily available and accessible. I'm very wary that authorities will find a way to restrict the inorganic salts completely.

Yes, it's hypothetical but it doesn't exactly instill confidence. I think more tests should be done before he recommends it as a method. After all, it's literally a life and death thing.
 
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Yes, it's hypothetical but it doesn't exactly instill confidence. I think more tests should be done before he recommends it as a method. After all, it's literally a life and death thing.

More tests? This is something they cannot test easily. Someone has to die and record their monitored death for factual information to accumulate. You are looking at a long time waiting. As for the information they have received, Nitschke has tried to be as transparent as possible in my opinion. He could have chosen not to say 6 people have sent him their monitored death reports. He puts this information out there so that if you decide that this method is for you, then you should keep this in mind.
 
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More tests? This is something they cannot test easily. Someone has to die and record their monitored death for factual information to accumulate. You are looking at a long time waiting. As for the information they have received, Nitschke has tried to be as transparent as possible in my opinion. He could have chosen not to say 6 people have sent him their monitored death reports. He puts this information out there so that if you decide that this method is for you, then you should keep this in mind.

I am sorry but I have to disagree here. The method was first introduced when there were no monitored death and the lethal dosage keeps changing. Further, it was originally stated that no anti-e are needed plus it was advised that we take bicarbonate and some other health supplement ( all that is now gone). It seems he is using his readers as lab rats which I don't find very reassuring.
 
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I am sorry but I have to disagree here. The method was first introduced when there were no monitored death and the lethal dosage keeps changing. Further, it was originally stated that no anti-e are needed plus it was advised that we take bicarbonate and some other health supplement ( all that is now gone). It seems he is using his readers as lab rats which I don't find very reassuring.

That is true, I can't argue that. All I can say is that he gave desperate people a potential way out. I doubt people acted on taking SN during the first few weeks of its announcement however. Common sense should tell people to at least give it more time. People have been used as labrats by a multitude of entities in some way or another for a long time now (the US government for example), that is the fastest way to get results. Answers are answers despite it being perhaps ill conceived, these are the realities of this world. But I do agree with you that it isn't very reassuring.
 
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overandout

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I am also worried that he said the next 20 monitored death could be extremely painful. To me at least, this SN thing which has been recommended for over a year is still based on guesswork.

We have had people on here detailing their symptoms after taking sodium nitrite and no one has stated they were in extreme pain (after taking antiemetics) and interestingly Philip also said in the video no one complained of being in extreme pain.
I think you need to research this better.
 
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We have had people on here detailing their symptoms after taking sodium nitrite and no one has stated they were in extreme pain (after taking antiemetics) and interestingly Philip also said in the video no one complained of being in extreme pain.
I think you need to research this better.

I have read many medical reports on SN poisoning which states, inter alia, burning throat, stomach pain, extreme nausea, and headaches. I would not trust the reports on this website as medical evidence as many have been exposed to be trolls.
 
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I have read many medical reports on SN poisoning which states, inter alia, burning throat, stomach pain, extreme nausea, and headaches. I would not trust the reports on this website as medical evidence as many have been exposed to be trolls.

You are entitled to believe what you want.
 
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I have read many medical reports on SN poisoning which states, inter alia, burning throat, stomach pain, extreme nausea, and headaches. I would not trust the reports on this website as medical evidence as many have been exposed to be trolls.

Can you list any of these reports? Website links?
There are definitely some members on here that were confirmed as passed away who did not state these symptoms, but that's fair enough if you prefer not to rely on their reports though.
I'm not sure what you mean by inter alia? When you google the term it means

inter alia
/ˌɪntər ˈeɪlɪə,ˈalɪə/
adverb
  1. among other things.
    "the study includes, inter alia, computers, aircraft, and pharmaceuticals"
 
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I have read many medical reports on SN poisoning which states, inter alia, burning throat, stomach pain, extreme nausea, and headaches.
Do you remember what doses of SN were taken by victims in those reports? Also, can you give a link to one of reports?
 
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Can anyone post it to youtube or vimeo? I don't have space to download it
 
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Publishing it to YouTube or Vimeo I don't exactly feel comfortable with. Also DMCA removals are significantly more easier on those platforms than with Mega.
 
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Thanks for the posting of the video.
 
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Can you list any of these reports? Website links?
There are definitely some members on here that were confirmed as passed away who did not state these symptoms, but that's fair enough if you prefer not to rely on their reports though.
I'm not sure what you mean by inter alia? When you google the term it means

inter alia
/ˌɪntər ˈeɪlɪə,ˈalɪə/
adverb
  1. among other things.
    "the study includes, inter alia, computers, aircraft, and pharmaceuticals"

Sure, I will quote a few, there are many if you google" symptoms of Sodium Nitrite poisoning", "overdose of sodium nitrite" or "Sodium nitrite deaths"

1.Signs and symptoms of nitrite poisoning include intense cyanosis, nausea, vertigo, vomiting, collapse, spasms of abdominal pain, tachycardia, tachypnea, coma, convulsions and death. Injection and inflammation of gastric and intestinal mucosa are described at autopsy. /Inorganic nitrite salts/
[Gosselin, R.E., R.P. Smith, H.C. Hodge. Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. 5th ed. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1984., p. II-315]

2.Symptoms of poisoning
include cyanosis which becomes pronounced
when the methemoglobinaemia affects approx‐
imately 10% of red blood cells. When over 20%
o fthe erythrocytes are affected, other
symptoms appear, including headaches,
dizziness, panting, tachycardia and general
weakness

3.Signs and symptoms of methaemoglobinaemia ( m e t h a e m o g l o b i n > 1 % ) i n c l u d e s h o r t n e s s o f breath, cyanosis, mental status changes (~50%), headache, fatigue, exercise intolerance, dizziness and loss of consciousness.

4.https://ojs.wpro.who.int/ojs/index.php/wpsar/article/view/105/309

PS. inter alia only means amongst other things which means the symptoms include, amongst others things, x, y and z.

Hope you find it useful
 
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Sorry to change the topic slightly, but did anyone else find the part where he was talking about centrifugal death quite funny? I mean how is anyone going to find a way of spinning around that fast. Classic Philip.
 
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There are definitely some members on here that were confirmed as passed away who did not state these symptoms, but that's fair enough if you prefer not to rely on their reports though.

If possible, I would be most grateful if you could point me to those member's reports which were confirmed, i am trying to gather as much info as possible. Thanks.
 
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overandout

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If possible, I would be most grateful if you could point me to those member's reports which were confirmed, i am trying to gather as much info as possible. Thanks.

@Wantingpeace @Geesuicide (both reported symptoms on live chat)
@Eden2k (taken twice, first time unsuccessful; no anitiemetics, found early but stated symptoms @Crest33 no symptoms stated

There are others listing symptoms but no public confirmation of their death like @Lunaemoth
@Lunar @Marystevenson1001 @45ready2ctb
@Readytoendit and many others who chose not to give a live account of their symptoms.
 
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@Wantingpeace @Geesuicide (both reported symptoms on live chat

What did they say on live chat ?

@Eden2k (taken twice, first time unsuccessful; no anitiemetics, found early but stated symptoms @Crest33 no symptoms stated

There are others listing symptoms but no public confirmation of their death like @Lunaemoth
@Lunar @Marystevenson1001 @45ready2ctb
@Readytoendit and many others who chose not to give a live account of their symptoms.

Thanks for the thorough search. I did a similar search but was unable to find even one confirmed report which states that the method is peaceful where the death was subsequently confirmed. It would be most helpful if you could post links to such reports?

There are definitely some members on here that were confirmed as passed away who did not state these symptoms
 
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