Exit bag without gas

[Rabbit50]

I've read some stories about people (including several elderly people, including couples who have participated in suicide pacts) who have successfully used exit bags but without using any inert gases. Any ideas how they have managed to overcome their survival instinct?

 

[DPJ187]

Probably with restraints I suspect. If you try it you will gasp, panick, and struggle to free yourself. That's what the gas does. Saves the horrible suffocation part, if you have a bag already, getting some nitrogen should be easily available.

 

[Rabbit50]

I have thought about restraining my hands behind my back. But I did read that someone recommended using a rubber band to secure the bag to the neck, then take sleeping tablets and use a finger to allow air in to the bag. When the sleeping tablets take effect, the finger would slip away from the rubber band, sealing the bag in to position. If this is the case then the hands can't be restrained. I've not had any luck finding any nitrogen and I'm technically homeless at the moment, so can't have any delivered anywhere. I was just wondering whether restraining my hands or using the sleeping tablets ( which would need to be OTC ones) would be better (or if I should do both).

 

[DPJ187]

Obviously the more steps you take will increase the likelihood of success, I can't help but notice the homeless part of your previous message. What I would like you to know I'd that the situation you are in now is not forever, homelessness is a totally destructive thing to happen and can make you think you dont have anyone who loves you or no back up plan anymore but I promise you this is your worries talking and not you, while your live and decisions are up to you perhaps getting the homeless thing sorted first should be your priority at least then you know for sure it's not the short term situation that is making you feel this way. I've been there myself mate, took me about 10 years to get myself back together.

 

[outrider567]

I have thought about restraining my hands behind my back. But I did read that someone recommended using a rubber band to secure the bag to the neck, then take sleeping tablets and use a finger to allow air in to the bag. When the sleeping tablets take effect, the finger would slip away from the rubber band, sealing the bag in to position. If this is the case then the hands can't be restrained. I've not had any luck finding any nitrogen and I'm technically homeless at the moment, so can't have any delivered anywhere. I was just wondering whether restraining my hands or using the sleeping tablets ( which would need to be OTC ones) would be better (or if I should do both).

That's the FinalExit book way--But sleeping pills don't always work and the Co2 buildup might jar you awake

 

[Ta555]

You could do that with old fashioned barbiturate sleeping pills because they knock you out stone cold. With modern ones there's a big chance you'll wake up once you start to suffocate because of the physical panic response.

 

[Rabbit50]

Thanks for the response. My original question was largely based on curiosity (and we know what curiosity did to the cat, don't we!) ie how do the elderly people who use exit bags without gas manage to ctb? I agree that it must be difficult if not impossible to rely on any sleeping pills that they are using to keep them unconscious, so how do they manage it? Maybe they do restrain their hands.

That's the FinalExit book way--But sleeping pills don't always work and the Co2 buildup might jar you awake

 

[Enoughnow]

I've tried it with sleeping tablets but I wound up pulling it off before I fell asleep I couldn't seem to get the timing right it's taking the tablets and leaving enough time to not run out of oxygen before they actually work its really difficult I just couldn't get that part down

 

[sunny/omori]

Heaven's Gates cult used phenobarbital to stay unconcious while asphyxiate. I dont believe nowdays benzos sleeping pills would do the trick. I wouldnt be comfortable doing this even with phenobarbital. Only they know what reqlly happened that day.

 

[Rabbit50]

I've tried it with sleeping tablets but I wound up pulling it off before I fell asleep I couldn't seem to get the timing right it's taking the tablets and leaving enough time to not run out of oxygen before they actually work its really difficult I just couldn't get that part down..

That's just what I thought. I imagine that even if the timing was right, then today's sleeping pills wouldn't be strong enough to keep you asleep when there's too much CO2 in the bag.
I've thought of wearing gloves and using duct tape to secure them to my wrists. I could also put duct tape over my mouth so that my convulsions will be quieter.
This is all proving to be much more of a logistical problem than when I originally thought 'just put a plastic bag over my head'!

 

[lokimotion]

Heaven's Gates cult used phenobarbital to stay unconcious while asphyxiate. I dont believe nowdays benzos sleeping pills would do the trick. I wouldnt be comfortable doing this even with phenobarbital. Only they know what reqlly happened that day.

Want to bump this up as this is how I would go. Lethal does of pheno 10G+ (which I can get hold of) and then bag to ensure asphyxiation. The pheno dose alone should be sufficient given enough time (I've seen up to 3 days) but I was hoping that even if the pheno didn't end up being lethal itself, you'd be so far gone that any natural response to rip away the bag would be suppressed.

What I'd like to know is what volume of bag would give you enough airtime for say 1hr and how long would it take to actually become unconscious from such a dose of pheno, ballpark? Difficult to say as it would depend on the person, but you could pull the bag down just as you feel it kicking in (or use the finger method described above), hopefully leaving enough time for the full sedation to take effect....

Would be interested to know if anyone has done experiments with bag sizes to see where the sweet spot is?
Just want to have a method ready to go if I feel my time has come..

 

[sunny/omori]

Want to bump this up as this is how I would go. Lethal does of pheno 10G+ (which I can get hold of) and then bag to ensure asphyxiation. The pheno dose alone should be sufficient given enough time (I've seen up to 3 days) but I was hoping that even if the pheno didn't end up being lethal itself, you'd be so far gone that any natural response to rip away the bag would be suppressed.

What I'd like to know is what volume of bag would give you enough airtime for say 1hr and how long would it take to actually become unconscious from such a dose of pheno, ballpark? Difficult to say as it would depend on the person, but you could pull the bag down just as you feel it kicking in (or use the finger method described above), hopefully leaving enough time for the full sedation to take effect....

Would be interested to know if anyone has done experiments with bag sizes to see where the sweet spot is?
Just want to have a method ready to go if I feel my time has come..

Just so you know: Heaven's Gates method required of two people. One who ctb and other who put the bag. That is why a few members are still alive. They wanted this way so those left behind could spread the word.

Edit: More info.

The exact time you will be in coma it is impossible to know to a given individual and maybe initially you wont be sedated enough to not wake up. Regarding the lethal dose recovery it is possible up to 16 g (I assume with the proper medical reanimation), so dont use less than that. The death time can be up to 3 days according to Guide to Humane Self-Chosen Death (very recommended lecture).

If access a drugs is not a problem I reccomend chloroquine cocktail instead. It is explained in the same book.

Sources:

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital - Minerva Psichiatrica 2017 June;58(2):103-9

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital

www.minervamedica.it

Acute phenobarbital intoxication - PubMed

Phenobarbital is a long-acting barbiturate often prescribed for seizure disorders. It has a high abuse potential and was commonly used in suicide attempts in the past. Although benzodiazepines are now more frequently used in suicide attempts, barbiturate intoxications are still occasionally seen...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[thejumper]

Tried it once, it was the most uncomfortable feeling I've ever experienced. Technically, one could use a combination of various sleeping pills and use this method without suffering any discomfort but it is hard to obtain the necessary pills in most cases.

 

[lokimotion]

As in you tried it in conjunction with a phenobarb overdose as well? Starting to question whether this is a good idea now...

Tried it once, it was the most uncomfortable feeling I've ever experienced. Technically, one could use a combination of various sleeping pills and use this method without suffering any discomfort but it is hard to obtain the necessary pills in most cases.

 

[outrider567]

I've read some stories about people (including several elderly people, including couples who have participated in suicide pacts) who have successfully used exit bags but without using any inert gases. Any ideas how they have managed to overcome their survival instinct?

Yes, the one old couple I read about they were both terminally ill, so they tried harder

 

[lokimotion]

Thanks for the detail. Every time i try and look at the GTHSCD all I ever get are methods involving deprivation of food and water.

Am I missing something? This was the link but doesnt seem right?: https://dignifieddying.com/publicaties/EN/2009 A Hastened Death by Self-denial of Food and Drink.pdf

Also if you've dug up anything on where to find chloroquine could you DM me? Might look into it further if the phenobarb alone is going to be too unreliable.

Just so you know: Heaven's Gates method required of two people. One who ctb and other who put the bag. That is why a few members are still alive. They wanted this way so those left behind could spread the word.

Edit: More info.

The exact time you will be in coma it is impossible to know to a given individual and maybe initially you wont be sedated enough to not wake up. Regarding the lethal dose recovery it is possible up to 16 g (I assume with the proper medical reanimation), so dont use less than that. The death time can be up to 3 days according to Guide to Humane Self-Chosen Death (very recommended lecture).

If access a drugs is not a problem I reccomend chloroquine cocktail instead. It is explained in the same book.

Just so you know: Heaven's Gates method required of two people. One who ctb and other who put the bag. That is why a few members are still alive. They wanted this way so those left behind could spread the word.

Edit: More info.

The exact time you will be in coma it is impossible to know to a given individual and maybe initially you wont be sedated enough to not wake up. Regarding the lethal dose recovery it is possible up to 16 g (I assume with the proper medical reanimation), so dont use less than that. The death time can be up to 3 days according to Guide to Humane Self-Chosen Death (very recommended lecture).

If access a drugs is not a problem I reccomend chloroquine cocktail instead. It is explained in the same book.

Sources:

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital - Minerva Psichiatrica 2017 June;58(2):103-9

Suicides in physicians: two cases of poisoning involving fentanyl and phenobarbital

www.minervamedica.it

Acute phenobarbital intoxication - PubMed

Phenobarbital is a long-acting barbiturate often prescribed for seizure disorders. It has a high abuse potential and was commonly used in suicide attempts in the past. Although benzodiazepines are now more frequently used in suicide attempts, barbiturate intoxications are still occasionally seen...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[sunny/omori]

Thanks for the detail. Every time i try and look at the GTHSCD all I ever get are methods involving deprivation of food and water.

Am I missing something? This was the link but doesnt seem right?: https://dignifieddying.com/publicaties/EN/2009 A Hastened Death by Self-denial of Food and Drink.pdf

Also if you've dug up anything on where to find chloroquine could you DM me? Might look into it further if the phenobarb alone is going to be too unreliable.

That is not the book.
Here is the 2nd edition:

https://www.dignifieddying.com/publicaties/EN/2006%20Guide%20to%20Self-Chosen%20and%20Humane%20Death.pdf

I couldnt find the 3th edition but it seems now recommends a shorter fastening (8 hours) and antiemetic regimen (24 hours).

In the same book there is detailed info on how to get and use chloroquine.

 

[lokimotion]

Thanks again - much appreciated

That is not the book.
Here is the 2nd edition:

https://www.dignifieddying.com/publicaties/EN/2006%20Guide%20to%20Self-Chosen%20and%20Humane%20Death.pdf

I couldnt find the 3th edition but it seems now recommends a shorter fastening (8 hours) and antiemetic regimen (24 hours).

In the same book there is detailed info on how to get and use chloroquine.

 

[symphony]

Holy SHIT I would rather do just about anything else, holy fuck no.

 

[beforeistoolate]

That is not the book.
Here is the 2nd edition:

https://www.dignifieddying.com/publicaties/EN/2006%20Guide%20to%20Self-Chosen%20and%20Humane%20Death.pdf

I couldnt find the 3th edition but it seems now recommends a shorter fastening (8 hours) and antiemetic regimen (24 hours).

In the same book there is detailed info on how to get and use chloroquine.

Hi, do you still have this PDF? The link is broken.

 

[jonward55]

Heaven's Gates cult used phenobarbital to stay unconcious while asphyxiate. I dont believe nowdays benzos sleeping pills would do the trick. I wouldnt be comfortable doing this even with phenobarbital. Only they know what reqlly happened that day.

Old thread I know but it was later found out that 2 other guys placed the bags after they had gone unconscious.