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- Mar 19, 2022
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Hi all,
Putting a bag over your head kind of sucks, but it's the most realistic option for me these days. I'm deeply regretting not purchasing a firearm before I was involuntarily hospitalized a few months back. Now that I can't legally buy a gun (and am not about to find a way to purchase one illegally), I'm looking at other at-home options with a special eye towards rapid loss of consciousness and highest probability of death. There is a wealth of information on this site that has informed answers to many of my questions regarding use of an exit bag. I am looking at hypoxia with nitrogen.
A few questions remain. I can't figure out where any "search" feature is on this site, so I've explored as much as my eyeballs could tolerate before deciding to post.
1. Actual time to unconsciousness using exit bag and nitrogen. The PPeH states, when properly conducted, loss of consciousness can occur within a couple breaths. From what I'm reading here, it seems several of you have attempted this method and not rapidly lost consciousness. To the point where one can ponder various altered bodily sensations, have time to change their mind, and rip the bag off. There's a huge variance between those two scenarios. What's up with that? What's most likely to happen in a situation where all the steps are followed accurately? (snug bag, 15-20lpm flow, air removed from bag prior to inflating with gas, hyperventilation for 2 minutes prior to pulling the bag down, deep even breaths with bag on... etc)
2. Would adding an oxygen cannula (hooked to nitrogen of course) help speed along loss of consciousness and ensure ultimate effectiveness? I could use it with a separate nitrogen tank and still have the hose in place as usual. With this idea, I'd have the cannula on when I'm letting the bag inflate on the top of my head, then pull the bag down over my head so the cannula will be properly fitted while inside the bag. The only potential hang-up is the cannula hose affecting the snugness of the bag, but I could run it alongside the main hose that will go in the bag and tape the two hoses together at the neckline.
3. Bag snugness. I'm seeing variances and can't really figure out how snug "snug" should be. It'd be helpful if I could figure out how to search for this question specifically, so I apologize for a likely repeated question on this forum. I see a lot of "two fingers should fit." My exit bag will be made with an elastic cord and toggle to fit around the neck. Should the two fingers be able to fit snugly under the tightened elastic? Because that's pretty tight, and seems like it might not let CO2 and excess gas out of the bag easily as it's supposed to. I am a female and have relatively average sized fingers. I'm confused here because a snugly tightened elastic band around the neck still allows for much more than two fingers to slip underneath, so I'm missing something here on the definition of "snug."
4. Body position. I've read not to lie down (bummer), but to ensure one doesn't fall and disrupt the assembly after losing consciousness. Short of duct taping myself to the couch (no thanks), what's the optimal position here? Sitting on the floor in a corner with a couple pillows? The nitrogen tank will be secured wherever I end up and not at risk for being knocked over. Losing consciousness will likely result in slumping forwards and potentially sliding onto the ground in a laying position. I could always stack pillows on my lap but that might not keep me relatively upright. What's the protocol here?
I'm not concerned with obtaining the necessary materials, I've located everything around town. I am also not concerned with changing my mind or reaching out to various supports, but I think most here will understand that. I just want to feel confident that this will work quickly and effectively before going through. I'm not interested in giving myself permanent brain damage upon failure. I'd like to have the assembly ready to go for if or when I decide to move forwards, and not have to worry about it failing.
Any additional insights into losing consciousness as quickly as possible will be helpful. I will be taking a sizeable dose of Ativan before doing this (but not enough to totally disorient me), so that should help with anxiety or panic, but it's not going to eliminate the reality that I'd probably take the bag off if I'm still mostly conscious after 30-60 seconds. There is a very low probability of me being prematurely discovered. I live alone and nobody drops by spontaneously. I plan to schedule a delayed email that will go out to a few people (whom I know to check their email frequently) instructing them to send police to my house. I'd like it to go out 4 hours after I begin the process, because I have a dog and a cat that will need to be taken care of, but I can adjust that timeline if needed.
Thank you kindly for any and all insights :) I wish everyone here the peace of mind they seek, regardless of how they come about it.
Putting a bag over your head kind of sucks, but it's the most realistic option for me these days. I'm deeply regretting not purchasing a firearm before I was involuntarily hospitalized a few months back. Now that I can't legally buy a gun (and am not about to find a way to purchase one illegally), I'm looking at other at-home options with a special eye towards rapid loss of consciousness and highest probability of death. There is a wealth of information on this site that has informed answers to many of my questions regarding use of an exit bag. I am looking at hypoxia with nitrogen.
A few questions remain. I can't figure out where any "search" feature is on this site, so I've explored as much as my eyeballs could tolerate before deciding to post.
1. Actual time to unconsciousness using exit bag and nitrogen. The PPeH states, when properly conducted, loss of consciousness can occur within a couple breaths. From what I'm reading here, it seems several of you have attempted this method and not rapidly lost consciousness. To the point where one can ponder various altered bodily sensations, have time to change their mind, and rip the bag off. There's a huge variance between those two scenarios. What's up with that? What's most likely to happen in a situation where all the steps are followed accurately? (snug bag, 15-20lpm flow, air removed from bag prior to inflating with gas, hyperventilation for 2 minutes prior to pulling the bag down, deep even breaths with bag on... etc)
2. Would adding an oxygen cannula (hooked to nitrogen of course) help speed along loss of consciousness and ensure ultimate effectiveness? I could use it with a separate nitrogen tank and still have the hose in place as usual. With this idea, I'd have the cannula on when I'm letting the bag inflate on the top of my head, then pull the bag down over my head so the cannula will be properly fitted while inside the bag. The only potential hang-up is the cannula hose affecting the snugness of the bag, but I could run it alongside the main hose that will go in the bag and tape the two hoses together at the neckline.
3. Bag snugness. I'm seeing variances and can't really figure out how snug "snug" should be. It'd be helpful if I could figure out how to search for this question specifically, so I apologize for a likely repeated question on this forum. I see a lot of "two fingers should fit." My exit bag will be made with an elastic cord and toggle to fit around the neck. Should the two fingers be able to fit snugly under the tightened elastic? Because that's pretty tight, and seems like it might not let CO2 and excess gas out of the bag easily as it's supposed to. I am a female and have relatively average sized fingers. I'm confused here because a snugly tightened elastic band around the neck still allows for much more than two fingers to slip underneath, so I'm missing something here on the definition of "snug."
4. Body position. I've read not to lie down (bummer), but to ensure one doesn't fall and disrupt the assembly after losing consciousness. Short of duct taping myself to the couch (no thanks), what's the optimal position here? Sitting on the floor in a corner with a couple pillows? The nitrogen tank will be secured wherever I end up and not at risk for being knocked over. Losing consciousness will likely result in slumping forwards and potentially sliding onto the ground in a laying position. I could always stack pillows on my lap but that might not keep me relatively upright. What's the protocol here?
I'm not concerned with obtaining the necessary materials, I've located everything around town. I am also not concerned with changing my mind or reaching out to various supports, but I think most here will understand that. I just want to feel confident that this will work quickly and effectively before going through. I'm not interested in giving myself permanent brain damage upon failure. I'd like to have the assembly ready to go for if or when I decide to move forwards, and not have to worry about it failing.
Any additional insights into losing consciousness as quickly as possible will be helpful. I will be taking a sizeable dose of Ativan before doing this (but not enough to totally disorient me), so that should help with anxiety or panic, but it's not going to eliminate the reality that I'd probably take the bag off if I'm still mostly conscious after 30-60 seconds. There is a very low probability of me being prematurely discovered. I live alone and nobody drops by spontaneously. I plan to schedule a delayed email that will go out to a few people (whom I know to check their email frequently) instructing them to send police to my house. I'd like it to go out 4 hours after I begin the process, because I have a dog and a cat that will need to be taken care of, but I can adjust that timeline if needed.
Thank you kindly for any and all insights :) I wish everyone here the peace of mind they seek, regardless of how they come about it.