Excess rope and Hanging questions

[cakedog]

Hi everyone i'm new here and i just wanted to ask some questions about the rope excess and hanging that i didn't see discussed in here
I heard that one way to bypass the excess rope problem was to tie the rope to a trunk but i still have some worries with it for example what knot should i use to attach the rope to the trunk and what if it slips?
this is the way i picture it


i'm afraid of the rope slipping in theory i guess it should only had an open end (picture 2) but i'm afraid the unkotting/unraveling of the rope on the trunk would pull with force the anchor knot which will untie it and leave me alive

cutting the rope instead of attaching it to the trunk will seem to solve this issue but i'm afraid that by cutting it i will mess with the weight limit some ropes are like 30-50ft long with a working load of 250-500 pounds and i'm afraid that by minimizing the rope the working limit will go below my weight and it will make the rope unusable

also i have some questions about the knot i will be using an arbor knot for the anchor and a regular noose but i heard that the noose on its self is a little unreliable so i should use a stopper knot on the noose as well so i'll be using an arbor knot on both the anchor and my neck?
and finally i heard that people should hang on the crotch of the branch because it's less likely to bend but i'm afraid of grabbing the trunk out of fear/impulsivity and delaying my death
i hear people say you should cuff/tie your hands but then how am i going to secure the noose on my neck?

sorry for the wall of text btw i just don't want to mess this up

 

[happy2die]

i'm afraid of the rope slipping in theory i guess it should only had an open end (picture 2) but i'm afraid the unkotting/unraveling of the rope on the trunk would pull with force the anchor knot which will untie it and leave me alive

if I'm understanding this correctly, you should tie around the trunk and a knot around the branch that won't unravel with the force of you. After you pass out there will be a lot of dynamics forces on the rope so if you think tying it around the trunk will unravel the rope, either don't tie it around the trunk or use a different knot for the branch (I'm not familiar with the anchor knot so I apologize if this doesn't make sense

cutting the rope instead of attaching it to the trunk will seem to solve this issue but i'm afraid that by cutting it i will mess with the weight limit some ropes are like 30-50ft long with a working load of 250-500 pounds and i'm afraid that by minimizing the rope the working limit will go below my weight and it will make the rope unusable

cutting the rope doesn't change the working load. Working load is related to the thickness of the rope. Additionally, companies tend to put a lower working limit than what they advertise but that varies by company so take this with a grain of salt. Just make sure that the working limit is at least 2 times your weight since, like i said, you will be moving a lot after you pass out and you will then become a dynamic object, increasing and decreasing tension on the rope.

also i have some questions about the knot i will be using an arbor knot for the anchor and a regular noose but i heard that the noose on its self is a little unreliable so i should use a stopper knot on the noose as well so i'll be using an arbor knot on both the anchor and my neck?

As long as the noose around your neck tightens under pressure you're good. the knot on the anchor just needs to stay sturdy. I'd suggest one that doesn't tighten under pressure like a noose to reduce the length that you're lowered. I will also be using a stopper

and finally i heard that people should hang on the crotch of the branch because it's less likely to bend but i'm afraid of grabbing the trunk out of fear/impulsivity and delaying my death
i hear people say you should cuff/tie your hands but then how am i going to secure the noose on my neck?

I'd assume they'd secure it first and then cuff their hands.

sorry for the wall of text btw i just don't want to mess this up

better safe than sorry! I hope what I said was useful. I'm not too sure about the knots since I'm not familiar with what they are so sorry if it didn't really answer your question.

 

[cakedog]

if I'm understanding this correctly, you should tie around the trunk and a knot around the branch that won't unravel with the force of you. After you pass out there will be a lot of dynamics forces on the rope so if you think tying it around the trunk will unravel the rope, either don't tie it around the trunk or use a different knot for the branch (I'm not familiar with the anchor knot so I apologize if this doesn't make sense



cutting the rope doesn't change the working load. Working load is related to the thickness of the rope. Additionally, companies tend to put a lower working limit than what they advertise but that varies by company so take this with a grain of salt. Just make sure that the working limit is at least 2 times your weight since, like i said, you will be moving a lot after you pass out and you will then become a dynamic object, increasing and decreasing tension on the rope.

As long as the noose around your neck tightens under pressure you're good. the knot on the anchor just needs to stay sturdy. I'd suggest one that doesn't tighten under pressure like a noose to reduce the length that you're lowered. I will also be using a stopper

I'd assume they'd secure it first and then cuff their hands.



better safe than sorry! I hope what I said was useful. I'm not too sure about the knots since I'm not familiar with what they are so sorry if it didn't really answer your question.

thanks for replying i guess i don't have to worry about cutting the rope anymore
still don't know if i should hang around the crotch i will have to check the trees thickness and make a decision about this if it's the best i will probably tie my hands with the remaining slack of rope i removed
thanks a lot friend