Escaping The Soul Trap

[socrates]

I've come across an interesting theory recently. That Earth was deigned to make us suffer from the beginning, or at least the creator was greatly disturbed. Either way Earth has become a "loosh farm". When a living thing suffers it produces"loosh" And then evil spirts come to feed on it bringing more misfortune.

When we die they encorage us to go into the light and reincarnte back into suffering. The idea is simple when you die don't go into the light and if an entity tries to take you somwhere, simply deciline.

It's an interesting idea. Part of me would like to live again in a diferent life, but who's to say that like would be any better. I like the idea of breaking out of this hells scape. If it's true ofcourse.

 

[smaragdyne]

Ayo I'm not alone! I've been looking into a very similar idea for a while.

I've been using the term "catch the spiritual bus" (a play on the CTB euphemism everyone uses) to mean "escape the soul trap".

Thank you for sharing! I look forward to maybe talking more about this. I haven't found any methods I'm willing to try yet, lol!

 

[Darkover]

the scientific consensus holds that the mind is a complex machine that operates on the same physical laws as all other objects in the universe. there is currently no scientific evidence whatsoever to support the existence of soul.

 

[CantDoIt]

Whether or not it's real, NDE-experiences have said that people choose whether or not to reincarnate, and sometimes people with difficult lives decide to spend a very long time in the afterlife and / or get "healed" in some kind of afterlife hospital. They also say that your mind works differently in the afterlife and you choose to reincarnate anyway because of a different perspective. However, this is of course just hearsay. Who knows what happens.

 

[itsalittlecold]

Whether or not it's real, NDE-experiences have said that people choose whether or not to reincarnate, and sometimes people with difficult lives decide to spend a very long time in the afterlife and / or get "healed" in some kind of afterlife hospital. They also say that your mind works differently in the afterlife and you choose to reincarnate anyway because of a different perspective. However, this is of course just hearsay. Who knows what happens.

& it's been known whilst NDE's are happening, our brain produces a chemical called 'DMT' I think pretty much everyone who has recreationally taken it has become a firm believer in a spiritual world, including myself. I was pretty set on atheism beforehand.

Now I don't believe in the type of god religious people do. I believe god is 'within' our conscious. Just my 2pence

 

[avalonisburning]

When I die, I'm making my own universe with blackjack and hookers.

 

[divinemistress36]

Whether or not it's real, NDE-experiences have said that people choose whether or not to reincarnate, and sometimes people with difficult lives decide to spend a very long time in the afterlife and / or get "healed" in some kind of afterlife hospital. They also say that your mind works differently in the afterlife and you choose to reincarnate anyway because of a different perspective. However, this is of course just hearsay. Who knows what happens.

Hopefully we get to go to the spiritual hospital

& it's been known whilst NDE's are happening, our brain produces a chemical called 'DMT' I think pretty much everyone who has recreationally taken it has become a firm believer in a spiritual world, including myself. I was pretty set on atheism beforehand.

Now I don't believe in the type of god religious people do. I believe god is 'within' our conscious. Just my 2pence

Same

 

[Forever Sleep]

Why bother giving us pleasurable emotions as well then? So that we don't all kill ourselves straight away perhaps. But then- why create a mortal being? If the goal is to feed off of them, why not make them live forever? Why allow them to think for themselves at all? Surely, antinatilists don't fit in so well with their scheme.

I'm never all that sold on these simulation or prison planet theories. Especially if we were created for that purpose. I think we could have been better designed if 'factory farming' was the goal. I suppose I find it more possible that we already existed and some alien race discovered us and enslaved us but even then, I don't really go for it to be honest. Who knows though?

The whole 'don't go towards the light' at the end to avoid reincarnation I've heard before though. It would be nice if they sign posted a choice for us.

 

[IwantHappiness]

I've come across an interesting theory recently. That Earth was deigned to make us suffer from the beginning, or at least the creator was greatly disturbed. Either way Earth has become a "loosh farm". When a living thing suffers it produces"loosh" And then evil spirts come to feed on it bringing more misfortune.

When we die they encorage us to go into the light and reincarnte back into suffering. The idea is simple when you die don't go into the light and if an entity tries to take you somwhere, simply deciline.

It's an interesting idea. Part of me would like to live again in a diferent life, but who's to say that like would be any better. I like the idea of breaking out of this hells scape. If it's true ofcourse.

yes it is real. Check EscapingPrisonPlanet subreddit on reddit, it has a lot of stuff u must know in order to escape. Also check Calogero Grifasi on youtube. I'm glad that also here on sasu people are starting to understand what it is really going on.
I suggest everyone who's reading my post to learn to Astral Project with Michael Raduga method.

 

[untothedepths]

i think out of all the religious stuff the gnostics are probably the closest to whatever the fuck is going on, so kinda what your thinking about i guess.

 

[It'sMyLife]

I'm more convinced we're born in hell if I were to believe in anything at all but more than likely we are just a random bunch of upright walking simians that fade into nothingness after this. If this is hell one theory is that it's more like a basic training and is the least bad level of it. You could opt out of it by ctb'ing just like the trial separation period in the military. But they would tell you over and over how wrong it is and the awful consequences of offing yourself. In other words gaslight you. In this hell you could succeed or fail, have pleasure and pain even though you know you're going to die someday and at any time- soon or later. You will constantly be surrounded by a confusing chain of events that sometimes make sense but usually does not. Some one mentioned why have pleasure? Yes, it's to keep us from opting out. I would like to believe that if you are a truly evil person you go to a much worse place but no way to know. The universe seems to be quite unfair and god isn't convincing me of his existence but if he is real I highly doubt he would punish anyone for voluntarily quitting this place. I have read about the soul trap theory and it's horrifying but I don't know what to believe about it. I'm going to check out the suggestions on reading. I hope everyone out there in SS land is having a good day today

 

[Jarni]

Soon brains will be created from 0, we will see if they have a soul and consciousness.

yes it is real. Check EscapingPrisonPlanet subreddit on reddit, it has a lot of stuff u must know in order to escape. Also check Calogero Grifasi on youtube. I'm glad that also here on sasu people are starting to understand what it is really going on.
I suggest everyone who's reading my post to learn to Astral Project with Michael Raduga method.

and what happens if we don't go to the light? We'll stay in the dark at the same place forever?

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

I've explored this concept. My depression makes it difficult for me to do the type of astral travel and energy work prescribed to help one get out of here. It's like elephants in the circus, the baby's leg is tied to a pole and by the time it's an adult and could easily escape it's so conditioned it doesn't even try.

One of my fears with ctb is that I'll be given a worse incarnation as punishment. On the other hand, ctb could be the ultimate act of self liberation.

It's not like you can just talk to a therapist and say 'My life sucks and I have reason to believe I'm in a cosmic torture prison. I'd like to ctb but I'm concerned I'll be reborn in the slums of Mumbai." Like the wtf can they do but prescribe seroquil or recommend ECT?

 

[sserafim]

Whether or not it's real, NDE-experiences have said that people choose whether or not to reincarnate, and sometimes people with difficult lives decide to spend a very long time in the afterlife and / or get "healed" in some kind of afterlife hospital. They also say that your mind works differently in the afterlife and you choose to reincarnate anyway because of a different perspective. However, this is of course just hearsay. Who knows what happens.

I heard that the archons trick and coerce you into reincarnating. I've also heard about people being forced to reincarnate. I don't know how true this is though

 

[CantDoIt]

I heard that the archons trick and coerce you into reincarnating. I've also heard about people being forced to reincarnate. I don't know how true this is though

There are some theories where you're forced to reincarnate into similar circumstances if you didn't learn your "lesson" (whatever that is), but from what I've heard from NDErs, most would deny this I think.

 

[sserafim]

There are some theories where you're forced to reincarnate into similar circumstances if you didn't learn your "lesson" (whatever that is), but from what I've heard from NDErs, most would deny this I think.

How do you even know what your lesson is though? The fact that nobody knows what they're here to achieve makes me think that this world is a prison planet. In a real school, they'd tell you the lesson plan beforehand, not memory-wipe you like they do before each incarnation

 

[CantDoIt]

How do you even know what your lesson is though? The fact that nobody knows what they're here to achieve makes me think that this world is a prison planet. In a real school, they'd tell you the lesson plan beforehand, not memory-wipe you like they do before each incarnation

I've never had an NDE so I have no idea personally, but was told that basically we, souls, are the "universe" in a way, and that the universe splits itself up into souls and incarnates in order to have experiences other than what it generally experiences (omnipotence / peace / love, whatever), and in order to be "immersed" we need to forget.

I use the NDE subreddit for my references but yeah some of it seems pointless. Would have more fun if I could incarnate with previous knowledge.

 

[sserafim]

I've never had an NDE so I have no idea personally, but was told that basically we, souls, are the "universe" in a way, and that the universe splits itself up into souls and incarnates in order to have experiences other than what it generally experiences (omnipotence / peace / love, whatever), and in order to be "immersed" we need to forget.

I use the NDE subreddit for my references but yeah some of it seems pointless. Would have more fun if I could incarnate with previous knowledge.

I don't buy the idea that we're all one/from the source. I feel like we're all unique individuals. I believe that everyone is a separate soul. If we were all the universe, then why does it want to experience itself so much, and what's the point of experiencing bad things like depression, sadness, misery, etc? It makes no sense to me. Why would it seek out bad experiences?

 

[divinemistress36]

yes it is real. Check EscapingPrisonPlanet subreddit on reddit, it has a lot of stuff u must know in order to escape. Also check Calogero Grifasi on youtube. I'm glad that also here on sasu people are starting to understand what it is really going on.
I suggest everyone who's reading my post to learn to Astral Project with Michael Raduga method.

Can you astral project?

 

[cryptoinvestor]

Why bother giving us pleasurable emotions as well then? So that we don't all kill ourselves straight away perhaps. But then- why create a mortal being? If the goal is to feed off of them, why not make them live forever? Why allow them to think for themselves at all? Surely, antinatilists don't fit in so well with their scheme.

Pleasurable emotions are important to add contrast and make things like depression/negative states even more painful. Like one can look at "happy" people and get jealous, envious and a lot of negative emotions come up. Or one can remember happier times, before a life-changing event which traumatised them and feel the difference. If there was no happiness, then sadness wouldn't be so bad. The contrast sharpens our feelings and make us realize the depth of our emotions.

Pleasurable emotions can also be used as a trick to produce more suffering in the future, like a buy now pay later type of deal. For example, a lot of unhealthy food choices like sugar taste good, literally produce pleasure and a dopamine hit. If you use them now for pleasure and comfort, you'll pay the price later in the form of obesity/health issues which comes with a whole host of negative emotions and socioeconomic implications. The same goes for using drugs for pleasure to get high in the moment and escape reality, eventually you'll pay the price; psychosis, bankruptcy, homelessness, etc. This is the loosh they would want so essentially, most things that give "easy" pleasure produce the most pain in the long run.

A mortal being because the aspect of death introduces a whole new dynamic to the suffering. A lot us here want to end it, but are scared, i believe fear is one of the most painful emotions, that's why our governments love using fear-mongering tactics in the media. We are mortal and we fear our death, that's more loosh. If a person dies, lots of people feel pain, suffer.

Antinatallists are such a small number of the population. Maybe this is by design. We are so conditioned by things like mainstream religious ideologies, and we are slaves to our biology. This goes back to pleasure as well. Many babies are conceived by mistake, through one-night stands, people just having fun. Sex is probably the most pleasurable thing, producing orgasm, is it a coincidence that the same process can also produce another being who has to suffer this mundane existence?

 

[Valhala]

This is an interesting text on that topic :

Article #2: The Death Trap and How to Avoid It

by Wes Penre, Thursday, September 15, 2016 Posted here: Thursday, September 15, 2016 @ 2:55 AM In the “Wes Penre Papers,”[1] as well as in my e-book, Synthetic Super-Intelligence an…

battleofearth.wordpress.com

 

[Forest Fire]

I had an nde several years ago which ended with me telepathically communicating with a ball of white light. it gave me a choice whether to stay there or come back here. I said i want to come back here and immediately i was floating in the top corner of my room looking down on my body. This only lasted briefly before i was in my normal state of consciousness.
I'm not saying it was real but i don't know that it wasn't either.
Not technically reincarnation as in starting a new life but i thought i would share this anyway

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

I watched my own brain and individual sense of consciousness die. I can tell you that there was a tunnel like thing, and a white ball at the end of it. The rest of my physical body didn't die and it was just the brain tissue dying and what it looked like. I feel I may be in some particular singular realm of evil and hell because of this. But it's not enough to stop me from killing myself.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Pleasurable emotions are important to add contrast and make things like depression/negative states even more painful. Like one can look at "happy" people and get jealous, envious and a lot of negative emotions come up. Or one can remember happier times, before a life-changing event which traumatised them and feel the difference. If there was no happiness, then sadness wouldn't be so bad. The contrast sharpens our feelings and make us realize the depth of our emotions.

Pleasurable emotions can also be used as a trick to produce more suffering in the future, like a buy now pay later type of deal. For example, a lot of unhealthy food choices like sugar taste good, literally produce pleasure and a dopamine hit. If you use them now for pleasure and comfort, you'll pay the price later in the form of obesity/health issues which comes with a whole host of negative emotions and socioeconomic implications. The same goes for using drugs for pleasure to get high in the moment and escape reality, eventually you'll pay the price; psychosis, bankruptcy, homelessness, etc. This is the loosh they would want so essentially, most things that give "easy" pleasure produce the most pain in the long run.

A mortal being because the aspect of death introduces a whole new dynamic to the suffering. A lot us here want to end it, but are scared, i believe fear is one of the most painful emotions, that's why our governments love using fear-mongering tactics in the media. We are mortal and we fear our death, that's more loosh. If a person dies, lots of people feel pain, suffer.

Antinatallists are such a small number of the population. Maybe this is by design. We are so conditioned by things like mainstream religious ideologies, and we are slaves to our biology. This goes back to pleasure as well. Many babies are conceived by mistake, through one-night stands, people just having fun. Sex is probably the most pleasurable thing, producing orgasm, is it a coincidence that the same process can also produce another being who has to suffer this mundane existence?

Very good points. It's definitely awful when even our happier feelings are turned against us. So true. Most of my happiest memories are in fact very bittersweet and tend to make me cry because they involve people who have died. I'm probably still grateful I have them but still, pleasure/happiness isn't so clean cut unfortunately- true.