Venting Does toxic positivity about existence make you wish to ctb even more?

[FuneralCry]

In my case, even know I try to just ignore it as it comes across as so absurd to me, I would say yes. I find it hard to take it seriously especially when people say things like "there is hope" because I just think it shows such a lack of awareness, I cannot stand life worshipping and life glorifying in general as existence just disgusts me and as well as being something so harmful and filled with suffering, it's also so pointless.

I see existing as being a process of slowly dying where we are deteriorating until we inevitably reach the horrfic thing that is very old age, I'm personally disturbed by old age, but as well as that I'm aware enough to recognise that existence is just a way to cause suffering all for the sake of it and it's tragic how life has caused so much torture to be experienced all throughout history.

And anyway any positivity just comes across as delusional to me especially as chance so cruelly determines everything in this world, there is no comfort in this harmful world, there is no escape from suffering apart from death, and death certainly is the only relief for me but as well as that I just find it tiring being conscious and aware, I could never wish to exist no matter what. So to me any positivity about existence is insensitive and invalidates the cruel reality of being trapped here, it's a terrible punishment having the ability to exist here.

 

[mlcs]

In my case, even know I try to just ignore it as it comes across as so absurd to me, I would say yes. I find it hard to take it seriously especially when people say things like "there is hope" because I just think it shows such a lack of awareness, I cannot stand life worshipping and life glorifying in general as existence just disgusts me and as well as being something so harmful and filled with suffering, it's also so pointless.

I see existing as being a process of slowly dying where we are deteriorating until we inevitably reach the horrfic thing that is very old age, I'm personally disturbed by old age, but as well as that I'm aware enough to recognise that existence is just a way to cause suffering all for the sake of it and it's tragic how life has caused so much torture to be experienced all throughout history.

And anyway any positivity just comes across as delusional to me especially as chance so cruelly determines everything in this world, there is no comfort in this harmful world, there is no escape from suffering apart from death, and death certainly is the only relief for me but as well as that I just find it tiring being conscious and aware, I could never wish to exist no matter what. So to me any positivity about existence is insensitive and invalidates the cruel reality of being trapped here, it's a terrible punishment having the ability to exist here.

At what age did you become suicidal?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

No, not really. I can just ignore what I don't want to hear, or don't believe.

 

[dory]

I feel like "there is hope" use to help but then after hearing it over and over it just felt like something people say because they don't know what to say to you. I hate it so much i wish people would actually educate themselves and listen rather than just saying the same stuff over and over

 

[Document6105]

Toxic positivity is worse than toxic negativity, because it's based entirely on manipulating other people into thinking you're not a narcissist.
Wherein toxic negativity tends to come from insecurities.

 

[sayire]

In my case, even know I try to just ignore it as it comes across as so absurd to me, I would say yes. I find it hard to take it seriously especially when people say things like "there is hope" because I just think it shows such a lack of awareness, I cannot stand life worshipping and life glorifying in general as existence just disgusts me and as well as being something so harmful and filled with suffering, it's also so pointless.

I see existing as being a process of slowly dying where we are deteriorating until we inevitably reach the horrfic thing that is very old age, I'm personally disturbed by old age, but as well as that I'm aware enough to recognise that existence is just a way to cause suffering all for the sake of it and it's tragic how life has caused so much torture to be experienced all throughout history.

And anyway any positivity just comes across as delusional to me especially as chance so cruelly determines everything in this world, there is no comfort in this harmful world, there is no escape from suffering apart from death, and death certainly is the only relief for me but as well as that I just find it tiring being conscious and aware, I could never wish to exist no matter what. So to me any positivity about existence is insensitive and invalidates the cruel reality of being trapped here, it's a terrible punishment having the ability to exist here.

no, not really, I know my problems and I know specifically what I tried to do to solve and now I have a much better and bigger understanding of why it is not a solvable problem. so even when someone takes the path of (toxic) positivity, I am able to just ignore it.

folks who take the path of superior (blind) (toxic) positivity are the folks that get me riled up. These are people who think they are better and give no reasoning for the positivity but just a sense of self righteousness or crap like that being their only motive. yeah these folks can make me puke. But then my reasons are primarily due to my NOT solvable issues.

 

[MeltingBrain]

It makes me feel worse .
For me, advice and discussion is welcome with the condition that the other person has put some thought into getting me out of my situation . A lot of people just give generic one liners , in reality they are not interested and/or cannot help with the situation but just want to feel good about themself .

 

[MrDarkness]

I can't say it makes me want to ctb even more, but I just accept I'm going to die young, no words or gifts can keep me alive much longer, I've pass the cross roads, I'm walking to my death

 

[NoHorizon]

I wouldn't say it makes me more suicidal, but it makes me feel less understood. It also tends to make me disregard anything else they have to say.

 

[sayire]

I feel like "there is hope" use to help but then after hearing it over and over it just felt like something people say because they don't know what to say to you. I hate it so much i wish people would actually educate themselves and listen rather than just saying the same stuff over and over

yeah there is hope and these are things to consider (and not harp on them forever) --> positivity
yeah there is hope and it is up to you to go figure out yourself and I do not give a crap --> toxic positivity
yeah sure there is hope, but I want to talk about you are just wrong, what is wrong with you, be positive, and keep saying this forever --> blind toxic positivity

sounds like you are dealing with blind toxic positivity, yeah it make someone puke!

 

[Kerrtu]

Toxic positivity doesn't necessarily make me want to CTB more, it can be/usually is extremely annoying though.

To me anyway.



My partner and I broke up fairly recently; I remember sending him the above comparison a while ago - he would use the "good vibes only" philosophy a lot, not realizing just how often he said it. He'd also use variations of "just be positive" and "never give up", etc.

The good vibes only one irks me most though, similar to when I spot a "Live, Laugh, Love" sign being used unironically.

Below is me washing some dishes shortly after I was able to remove the aspen collar; my neck was broken in 2016 and it STILL didn't take me out.

Am I still salty about it? Yes. Could've been so much simpler. An accidental death.

sigh




"Just be happy!" "You're so lucky, you almost died!"

Yeah. Almost.

I heard a lot of that during recovery and I'd smile politely. On the inside I was shaking my fist at the sky.

(I don't really hate everyone, btw. The shirt was gifted to me, and I loved it. Still have it - it's so soft from so many washings. Might wear it when I CTB)

 

[Lost Magic]

Yeah, I recently bumped into (let's just call him some asshole from years ago) someone who reminded me of how crappy my life was and how he gave me some toxic bs advice to 'fix me' or some BS. Needless to say, I hope I don't bump into him again. Side note, he is a wealthy guy who I know is deeply unhappy. Just goes to show that money and flashy crap can't save someone from themselves.

 

[SexyIncél]

Oh yes! It makes me see how CREEPY society is, full of programmed dunderheads, wallowing in shit & filth, thinking "Life's gonna get better!"

Note the passive voice: it'll Just Get Better. They're NPCs & make nothing happen from their own initiative. Maybe the Man on the TV will make everything better, who knows. Or the same gods who got us into this mess

When I was momentarily down, I asked these people merely to listen, maybe help me think things through. And these NPCs would have to open their dull mouths about how legless Lithuanians in India have it worse than me. I've helped & NEVER negged people that way! Helped them solve the root of their problems, together

Oh, how life is miserable when you hope others would help you, the way you need to be helped. Gods forbid I depend on such people ever again, I'd rather die. And I know I would

 

[Aisley]

No. You say delusional, and you're right. Or it's coming from a place of terrified need for the words to be made true as they're spoken, like a mantra, or magic. And they, the speakers, are desperate for the manifestation. Desperate to wave away facts, like it hurts them to see it. If I know why people say what they say, it can never bother me. It's compartmentalized into the realm of science. And I know that I'm speaking to a moron, and never waste my words or energy on such again. And in the future they get script talk, if they get that much.
But they don't get to impact my views or estimations of what I'm doing here. Lemmings exist. Just another shitty fact.

 

[MeltingBrain]

Toxic positivity doesn't necessarily make me want to CTB more, it can be/usually is extremely annoying though.

To me anyway.

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My partner and I broke up fairly recently; I remember sending him the above comparison a while ago - he would use the "good vibes only" philosophy a lot, not realizing just how often he said it. He'd also use variations of "just be positive" and "never give up", etc.

The good vibes only one irks me most though, similar to when I spot a "Live, Laugh, Love" sign being used unironically.

Below is me washing some dishes shortly after I was able to remove the aspen collar; my neck was broken in 2016 and it STILL didn't take me out.

Am I still salty about it? Yes. Could've been so much simpler. An accidental death.

sigh

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"Just be happy!" "You're so lucky, you almost died!"

Yeah. Almost.

I heard a lot of that during recovery and I'd smile politely. On the inside I was shaking my fist at the sky.

(I don't really hate everyone, btw. The shirt was gifted to me, and I loved it. Still have it - it's so soft from so many washings. Might wear it when I CTB)

That chart is exactly it . Pro-lifers think ignoring someone's misery is a good strategy to help them out of their situation. In reality the misery is bulk of the issue that needs to be acknowledged before moving on to any kind of positivity . Also sometimes there is no positivity there is just negativity and that's OK. You don't have to give a positive spin to a situation which has very little positivity. It's plainly obvious to the victim when pro lifers ignore their problems to talk about something positive. The victim knows the other person is being disingenuous and playing hide the ball with the truth. This leads to all the frustration .

My partner and I broke up fairly recently; I remember sending him the above comparison a while ago - he would use the "good vibes only" philosophy a lot, not realizing just how often he said it. He'd also use variations of "just be positive" and "never give up", etc.

The good vibes only one irks me most though, similar to when I spot a "Live, Laugh, Love" sign being used unironically.

Below is me washing some dishes shortly after I was able to remove the aspen collar; my neck was broken in 2016 and it STILL didn't take me out.

Am I still salty about it? Yes. Could've been so much simpler. An accidental death.

sigh

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"Just be happy!" "You're so lucky, you almost died!"

Yeah. Almost.

I heard a lot of that during recovery and I'd smile politely. On the inside I was shaking my fist at the sky.

(I don't really hate everyone, btw. The shirt was gifted to me, and I loved it. Still have it - it's so soft from so many washings. Might wear it when I CTB)

I am so sorry to hear about your accident . Breaking of the neck sounds like a nightmare situation. I am sorry people around you don't acknowledge your problems as much as they should. I can sympathize because the same non-acknowledgement is happening to me . I hope things turn around for you .
@Kerrtu BTW The shirt is dope ! Just a fun idea, whoever gifted you the shirt, gift him back a shirt saying "especially you..." .

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Not all positivity is toxic positivity though. Otherwise there wouldn't be such the distinct concept of "toxic negativity". If someone truly wants to move forward in their life past a suicidal limbo, then a little faith and an open mind are required.

 

[suicidalloser]

yes—i cannot stand it, especially when forced to live this hellish existence until old age.
positivity in itself is in fact delusional. there is nothing positive about pain and suffering and chronic illness.

 

[Kerrtu]

That chart is exactly it . Pro-lifers think ignoring someone's misery is a good strategy to help them out of their situation. In reality the misery is bulk of the issue that needs to be acknowledged before moving on to any kind of positivity . Also sometimes there is no positivity there is just negativity and that's OK. You don't have to give a positive spin to a situation which has very little positivity. It's plainly obvious to the victim when pro lifers ignore their problems to talk about something positive. The victim knows the other person is being disingenuous and playing hide the ball with the truth. This leads to all the frustration .

I am so sorry to hear about your accident . Breaking of the neck sounds like a nightmare situation. I am sorry people around you don't acknowledge your problems as much as they should. I can sympathize because the same non-acknowledgement is happening to me . I hope things turn around for you .
@Kerrtu BTW The shirt is dope ! Just a fun idea, whoever gifted you the shirt, gift him back a shirt saying "especially you..." .

Thank you @MeltingBrain for your kind words and empathy. It's true what you said: Sometimes there is no positivity there is just negativity and that's ok. It's realistic. I also remember something my 2nd stepfather would tell me - "we're always in flux." It's not always good or always bad, and my grandfather would say "Sometimes, we take things one minute at a time." My grandfather was awesome, as was my 2nd stepfather - he was the closest to being my father than anyone.

If I could pass the shirt to you, like some kind of SaSu Olympic torch, I would. It really is buttery soft at this point - I save it for special occasions

I did wear it a few months ago to a doctors appointment, my primary, not the psychiatrist thank fuck. I had it on under a sweatshirt and it didn't hit me till I was asked to take the sweatshirt off so they could get a better read on my blood pressure and wanted to use the stethoscope on my back - standard stuff. I remember thinking "oooh shit, I hope they have a sense of humor…"

 

[weirdfishes]

It doesn't make me want to CBT more but I still don't like it. I hate when people say 'come on cheer up' as if it's that easy. It feels pretty condescending and invalidating yk

 

[hodbu]

In my case, even know I try to just ignore it as it comes across as so absurd to me, I would say yes. I find it hard to take it seriously especially when people say things like "there is hope" because I just think it shows such a lack of awareness, I cannot stand life worshipping and life glorifying in general as existence just disgusts me and as well as being something so harmful and filled with suffering, it's also so pointless.

I see existing as being a process of slowly dying where we are deteriorating until we inevitably reach the horrfic thing that is very old age, I'm personally disturbed by old age, but as well as that I'm aware enough to recognise that existence is just a way to cause suffering all for the sake of it and it's tragic how life has caused so much torture to be experienced all throughout history.

And anyway any positivity just comes across as delusional to me especially as chance so cruelly determines everything in this world, there is no comfort in this harmful world, there is no escape from suffering apart from death, and death certainly is the only relief for me but as well as that I just find it tiring being conscious and aware, I could never wish to exist no matter what. So to me any positivity about existence is insensitive and invalidates the cruel reality of being trapped here, it's a terrible punishment having the ability to exist here.

It doesn't really make me want to do it more or less. Just makes me annoyed at how people without empathy can keep claiming to be so.

I've actually told some people about my intention to die this year in a semi-serious manner, and the ones that took me seriously all persuaded me to not do that. But you know what, they also all acknowledged how fucked up my current living circumstances are! So what's the point of that "you must live (but I know you're suffering" bs.

It's just once again people without empathy to truly care. Because those that do would 1) actively help me improve my life that's making me want to die or 2) wish me well on my choice.

 

[Water-Lily]

I agree. I think when people say such positive things they do mean it from a genuinely good place

People dont like seeing people suffer and so, if they can, will want to help them

Sometimes all people can really think to do is to say positive stuff, even if it isn't helpful

 

[Lamentice]

Absolutely. I already feel isolated & alienated. Being met with toxic positivity only exacerbated those feelings.

 

[leavingsoon99]

Not anymore. Now its just funny. I find it amazing the great delusions the human will give life to make it seem tolerable. To each their own. If they love life, let them live. I choose to go.

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

Absolutely, it just makes me feel even more isolated than I already am. I just have a simple wish to not live anymore.

 

[meowzerwowzer33]

During times when I genuinely am searching for help and am just met with toxic positivity? Yeah it genuinely make me feel worse than I already do, like I'm being dismissed and judged for the ways I feel, and it makes me want to disappear even more. At best it is laughable to me, and I just ignore it because they don't know what they're talking about.
It just depends on how I am feeling at the time when it happens.

 

[Misfit72]

No, but it reminds me how much I despise motivational speakers.

 

[airconditioner]

Not exactly toxic positivity but continuously justifying the most insane, disgusting acts of current harm and manipulation based on past harms or past instances of humilation is a definite trigger for me. Anonymous accounts imitating instances of SA while being the current facilitator, or disabling you from meeting people as an example of past abuse makes me want to end my life more than the past abuse itself. Sometimes it's people trusted to help that are in fact much worse versions but they're given credibility in demonstrating on you, even if the first attempt clearly didn't kill you but this one might. That's somehow worse, at least to me. It compounds the assault into more people acting on you rather than pointing out truth related to the original attempt. It's gross to think of anything they do being condoned or continued, but pair it with its necessity to serve a purpose and they can continue to harm you more than it will ever harm them.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Yes toxic postivity makes we want to CTB even more. A while ago I had a discussion with someone and all I got to hear in the end was "You have no other option but to try (to go on living). You'll not kill yourself." WOW REALLY?! All that was triggered in that moment was: CTB now even more than ever!!!

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Not really. It has no effect on me one way or the other, except that it just irritates me. I dont like toxic positivity on this site specifically this section, though.

 

[Rogue Proxy]

No, but it reminds me how much I despise motivational speakers.
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Such a terrible waste of stone! Hopefully, erosion will erase that banal vandalism.

Toxic positivity does add to my ever-growing laundry list for leaving existence. First, it exemplifies the sheer lack of empathy, lack of compassion, egotism, laziness, stupidity, arrogance, and manipulation humans exude. Second, it creates and exacerbates alienation, invalidation, and overall suffering. Third, once I'm gone for good, I won't ever have that pixie shit rubbed into my open wounds again.