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- Sep 24, 2024
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That is what I'm often wondering, wouldn't it be possible for a government to just setup their own labs for such substances?governments have a lot of trouble getting their hands on it.
It's available where I live,it could be a scam though, but someone around here ordered and used it, and it seems that they were successfulIt's part of the traditional lethal injection 3 drug cocktail for executions, it works quite well. How you'd get your hands on it is a bit bewildering considering governments have a lot of trouble getting their hands on it.
Yeah it would work on its own, I don't know the pharmacodynamics taken orally but it's probably similar to N. The volume would need to be high compared to IV.It's available where I live,it could be a scam though, but someone around here ordered and used it, and it seems that they were successful
Can it work alone on its own? If taken orally?
so I guess KCl is used to just get it done quickly?Yeah it would work on its own, I don't know the pharmacodynamics taken orally but it's probably similar to N. The volume would need to be high compared to IV.
Midazolam (versed) is given to greatly decrease anxiety and consciousness, as it is in anesthesia, then sodium thiopental to further induce anesthesia and greatly impact the physiological processes of the body, and then KCl to stop the heart. KCl you have to be sure the person is really knocked out because it's outrageously painful to the venous system and to the heart at the concentration, volume, and rate they push it. It's extremely damaging to the vasculature and could easily result in limb loss if the lethal injection fails, but I don't know of any case that it failed after KCl was given, you're too far gone by that point from the thiopental.
Yeah, it's to get it done quickly and offer a redundancy of assured death. Definitely a chance of irreversible damage if it fails, absolutely. Barbiturates are hard on the body and in an overdose of them you're compromising the body's ability to breathe, to pump blood (making it less efficient to provide oxygen and remove waste). Ignoring all the other toxicity of the drug, just the impaired oxygen alone causes a major insult to the oxygen hungry structures in the body like the brain, eyes, renal system, and hepatic system. Hypoxic states always insult those structures, hypoxic states often result in brain damage which is hard to quantify and not always apparent. Easily quantifiable and readily apparent is an AKI, often people in overdoses of any kind resulting in unconsciousness and a cardiac arrest are going to require some sort of renal support up to and including CRRT. Renal damage can be and often is reversible to some extent. Like you can totally kill your renal system and have it come back to a level that's indistinguishable from full functioning. I would know, I'm a CRRT success story and I've treated many many CRRT patients.so I guess KCl is used to just get it done quickly?
Thank you
though what I am most worried about is if it fails is there a chance of irreversible damage? I cannot find info on that anywhere
that sucks... sn might be a better choice thenYeah, it's to get it done quickly and offer a redundancy of assured death. Definitely a chance of irreversible damage if it fails, absolutely. Barbiturates are hard on the body and in an overdose of them you're compromising the body's ability to breathe, to pump blood (making it less efficient to provide oxygen and remove waste). Ignoring all the other toxicity of the drug, just the impaired oxygen alone causes a major insult to the oxygen hungry structures in the body like the brain, eyes, renal system, and hepatic system. Hypoxic states always insult those structures, hypoxic states often result in brain damage which is hard to quantify and not always apparent. Easily quantifiable and readily apparent is an AKI, often people in overdoses of any kind resulting in unconsciousness and a cardiac arrest are going to require some sort of renal support up to and including CRRT. Renal damage can be and often is reversible to some extent. Like you can totally kill your renal system and have it come back to a level that's indistinguishable from full functioning. I would know, I'm a CRRT success story and I've treated many many CRRT patients.
SN is kind of the Goldilocks method right now as far as accessibility, ease of use, likely level of peacefulness, relative safetythat sucks... sn might be a better choice then
Isn't SN also hypoxic? There hasn't been a lot of mention of possible brain damage with it.