Discussion Does the Health Industry contribute to your will to CTB?

[DeniedPeace]

It is often discussed here how the efforts of the health industry to allegedly treat mental health issues are at least poorly designed if not counter productive.

My personal experience with the french health industry is horrendous, be it meds prescribed by my psychiatrist (based on careless diagnosis) or psychologists, they have pushed me towards the will to CTB and CTB attempts which would very likely never have occured if I stayed away from it altogether.
The behavior of some medical professionals towards me (denial of my suffering, humiliation, lies to authorities) make me feel like they actually want me to CTB.

What is your experience and if you're ok with doing this would you share in which region of the world you had this experience?

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Oui

Too long to explain. But they definitely made me more suicidal than less.

The behavior of some medical professionals towards me (denial of my suffering, humiliation, lies to authorities) make me feel like they actually want me to CTB.

They are experts at giving out mixed messages and only know how to center patient safety in themselves.

 

[Unsolved]

It pushed me to try to CBT as well. I voluntarily stayed at a mental hospital for 3 months because I thought it might've help me, but it was not helpful at all. (I was 14 at the time)

Most of the people taking care of the patients were just there for their money. They weren't professional at all and only made things worse. Also, they told parents and other people everything.

The therapists didn't really help much either. They just kinda talk and then leave you alone if you seem ok. They don't tell you anything about what might be going on with you and leave you completely in the dark.

I felt so forgotten about in that place, the caretakers didn't inform me about appointments nor did they even try to talk to me except for when I did something wrong.

I tried to CBT around a month or so after I left, though it obviously didn't work.

 

[socksnsandles]

it is a huge factor in my ctb

 

[Forveleth]

Neither I wanted to die well before I got involved in therapy, and I still want to die after therapy. Therapy took a couple hours out of my week and a lot of money out of my bank account, but it has no bearing on my decision to kill myself.

 

[DeniedPeace]

Thanks to everyone who voted and commented. It helps me feel less alone in what I'm living.
As a male the first professionals I met congratulated me for seeking out help as most males keep it to themselves and don't go to therapy. If only I knew back then...

 

[gunmetalblue11]

Absolument, mais même pas le système de santé psychiatrique, le rest aussi laisse à désirer. C'est gratuit mais pas efficace.

Though I do hope you do manage to fall on medical professionals that can actually help you, because some good ones have to be out there.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Psychiatry aside, my life has been ruined beyond belief by the medical industry and some of the people who work in it.

The crux of why I am here is because I was molested by a doctor very early in my life, and multiple people who I have told this too tried to justify it or make excuses, because they don't want to believe that people who work in the medical field can do wrong. I have had multiple really awful encounters with medical professionals, and abuse in this setting is very rarely recognized or taken seriously, because the patient is assumed to be lacking in sense or insight always.

My life has been ruined because of this. I'm never going to be normal or not have PTSD, I can never have a normal sexual relationship without hangups, I will never have kids, I can't use tampons, etc, but then some people still have the gall to not believe me that this happened. Ironically, the therapists and psychiatrists I've encountered have 0 experience with this situation and want to toss you to someone else who claims to have experience with complex PTSD, then it turns out it's just another lie as always, because they did some two day online course yet want to advertise themselves as an expert.

I've been interacting with the psychiatric system since an early age, and every time their methods didn't work, the default reaction is to blame the patient and claim the individual is resistant to change, rather than that particular treatment simply being ineffective for the person. Rinse and repeat everytime there's a new talk therapy or medication regimine being trialled.

It's soul crushing to go through this song and dance for years and years, to constantly be told by others to keep trying medications and therapy even when you've trialled the gamut and haven't really seen a modicum of improvement. No matter what, people won't listen and will tell you to keep trying something you've already tried, playing the blame game.

The constant gaslighting and invalidation of observable, objective fact (that a particular treatment isn't benefitting you or the side effects outweigh the gains) is enough to drive anyone insane. But this is the bread and butter of psychiatry, not listening to patients or believing a single word they have to say, because anyone who consults a psychiatrist in the first place is deemed to be not of sound mind. It's a zero sum game.

So in my case, this whole visicious cycle has only served to make me feel completely jaded, misunderstood, and isolated.

 

[vira]

hahaha i really didn't expect a 100% on towards, magbe one or two who think it's helpful, for some reason. this is strangely hilarious to me

 

[DeniedPeace]

hahaha i really didn't expect a 100% on towards, magbe one or two who think it's helpful, for some reason. this is strangely hilarious to me

17 to 0 at the time of writing.
This also is both surprising and strangely hilarious to me (like "I told you the world is sh*t!" type of hilarious).
There is obvious bias here of course but it still shows a majority of us here have had a bad experience overall.

 

[Downdraft]

I'd like to balance the stats and say I had a positive experience, but only now in the present. The meds were spot-on and the lifestyle advice is sensible and useful to me. There's no evidence that what I have will be "cured" and my therapist is honest enough to admit the limitations of therapy, but still boosted my quality of life. Not enough to be happy but still an improvement I appreciate, and that has made it so I don't have all terrible days anymore, instead now tolerable.

This said I had horrible experiences all the first +20 years of my life and had so much shit that passed undiagnosed and that had a trivial fix that led to my life being ruined, but at least now it's positive, even if it wasn't really overall...

 

[U. A.]

You'd be more right to call it what it is: the medical industry.
There's no shit given about "health" at all. It might as well be "death industry". I guess it's not shocking most respondents are talking about psych but it's hardly different in bodily matters. There are the same biases - if there's something wrong with you that's not an acute injury it's probably your fault. What do you eat? do you smoke? drink? exercise? how much to all of them? Are you a woman (if so don't worry it's anxiety)? are you black (if so and you're in the u.s. you will probably die in childbirth)?

In a capitalist system, the goal of all industry is profit which inherently causes people to suffer and die more in any fee-for-service model because no one in the medical field has any motivation to do anything other than to see (and that's often all) as many patients as humanly possible.

 

[itsgone2]

I started out life ok, then was victim of a botched surgery. Would rather keep private what that was but took three corrective surgeries. Those doctors were helpful but that initial one ruined my life.
Therapists and psychiatrist have been mixed. I think they want to help but then it always just comes back to pills. Get on the right pills and you'll be ok. No, the pills have hurt me.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I've done therapy and pills and I just don't take them very seriously. The therapists have been fine. My problems are deep and are the consequences of my choices.

 

[HangMan123]

0-24 .
Mental health care is way too expensive in the US. I am also afraid to disclose my true feelings due to fear about being committed to a psychiatric hospital.