Discussion Does the chance of going to hell prevent u from ctb?

[HumongousTheGod]

i've been wondering if there's an after life. (been a open atheist for years) that'd be cool, however that begs the question will we inadvertently go to hell? i'm sure others have pondered this as well.. the bible has been crammed down the throat's of many.. as well other gods claim this to be the greatest 'sin' if you do accept this form of ideology...

 

[Threads]

In Roman's 8:38-39, Paul professes that "neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Hell doesn't exist. While God may be unhappy or disappointed in your choice to take your life, a loving god doesn't cast those whom he creates and shares his image with into eternal damnation. You may be punished, but it will not be for eternity, nor will your punishment take place in something that was added into the bible 300 years after Jesus walked the earth.

 

[Armadillo]

I feel bad for people who feel the need to CTB but are afraid of Hell or some other sort of punishment in the afterlife.

Everyone should keep those kind of beliefs to himself and not teaching them to their kids thus perpetuating this nonsensense from generation to generation. Almost no one in the west would believe in this kind of BS if it wasn't thought as truth to them when they were children.
The new generations need to know how to think critically not to believe in some 2000 y.o. superstition.

 

[gingerplum]

i've been wondering if there's an after life. (been a open atheist for years) that'd be cool, however that begs the question will we inadvertently go to hell? i'm sure others pondered this as well.. the bible has been crammed down the throat of many.. as well other gods claim this is the greatest 'sin' if you do accept this form of ideology...

Atheist here. I don't believe in any kind of an afterlife, myself. I let any kind of religious dogma go many years ago. Although I do like the idea of Sky Cake.

 

[LiveSlowDieFast]

In Roman's 8:38-39, Paul professes that "neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Hell doesn't exist. While God may be unhappy or disappointed in your choice to take your life, a loving god doesn't cast those whom he creates and shares his image with into eternal damnation. You may be punished, but it will not be for eternity, nor will your punishment take place in something that was added into the bible 300 years after Jesus walked the earth.

What would that punishment be though? Purgatory? I don't know anything about the bible, tbh

 

[Armadillo]

What would that punishment be though? Purgatory? I don't know anything about the bible, tbh

The Bible (well, almost all of the religious texts written in the history of mankind) is full of contraddictions. It says one thing and then the opposite, it does that countless times.

Purgatory AFAIK is a Catholic invention, no mentions of it in the scriptures.

 

[hazeyjane]

How worse could it be?

 

[LiveSlowDieFast]

The Bible (well, almost all of the religious texts written in the history of mankind) is full of contraddictions. It says one thing and then the opposite, it does that countless times.

Yeah, that's why I think they're all bullshit. God is supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent, but can't even get the people who wrote his holy text to organise it in a clear way?

 

[Miss clefable]

In Roman's 8:38-39, Paul professes that "neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Hell doesn't exist. While God may be unhappy or disappointed in your choice to take your life, a loving god doesn't cast those whom he creates and shares his image with into eternal damnation. You may be punished, but it will not be for eternity, nor will your punishment take place in something that was added into the bible 300 years after Jesus walked the earth.

What if I told god they made a mistake with me and Death was my salvation

 

[gingerplum]

The Bible (well, almost all of the religious texts written in the history of mankind) is full of contraddictions. It says one thing and then the opposite, it does that countless times.

Purgatory AFAIK is a Catholic invention, no mentions of it in the scriptures.

I could never figure out the difference between limbo and purgatory. It's all very nebulous.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/04/what-happens-to-the-babies-who-used-to-be-in-limbo.html

 

[Miss clefable]

By the way I'm not religious I'm just spiritual I believe god is universal energy of love

 

[Midnight]

As far as i'm concerned there is no chance because there is no such thing. To each their own beliefs but i'm glad that thoughts like that aren't on my mind. Life is hard enough as it is.

To me the fact that no one is born with a belief or religion is enough proof. No one is born a catholic or hindu or whatever. These beliefs are pushed upon you by parents,society etc.

 

[bigj75]

Ecclesiastes 4:1-3

Again I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking place under the sun: I saw the tears of the oppressed-- and they have no comforter; power was on the side of their oppressors-- and they have no comforter. And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive. But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.

 

[Johnnythefox]

Heaven and hell are man-made concepts conceived by ignorant bureaucrats to control the populace and instill fear.
"and man created God in his own image"

 

[Miss clefable]

Heaven and hell are man-made concepts conceived by ignorant bureaucrats to control the populace and instill fear.
"and man created God in his own image"

That's why I am spiritual

 

[15dec]

I haven't been religious since I was a kid but in recent years, and especially weeks I've been trying to find comfort in it. It's nice to think that when I ctb I can go to heaven or a perfect place, see my cousins, my dog, just be happy.

 

[ReadyasEver]

Either way I fine with it. One of the reasons I'm in the position I am in, I spent a great deal of energy to care and look after people than myself. If there is God, I would think he look kindly on this. If there is not, then as I approach the time I have with a little peace of mind knowing I tried to make this planet a little hospitable than a hell hole.

 

[Johnnythefox]

In order to have a cohesive society you need to have an enemy figure, if that figure doesn't already exist then you create one!
Fear can then be generated and allows greater control of the citizens. It is easier to control someone when they are scared of the repercussions..

 

[Shewaitsforme]

If hell is real then so be it ill take that chance

 

[Johnnythefox]

I could never figure out the difference between limbo and purgatory. It's all very nebulous.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/04/what-happens-to-the-babies-who-used-to-be-in-limbo.html

That's because it's all bullshit.

 

[ReadyasEver]

Johnny you are right on that, many religions, especially Christian have developed this to control their members. I was raised Catholic, and still prescribe to the basic belief that love, mercy, and forgiveness are good ways to lead your life. But all the rules and teachings that make sure you show up every week and throw money in the collection basket. Very simple answer, kiss my ass, God is not interested in cash.

 

[Comatose11]

Nope. I don't see how a supposedly loving God could send his own creations to hell, so I don't believe in hell or God.

 

[DeaduMenuWalkingu]

There is no mytical abode called "hell" or "heaven" these are all man made concepts like the rest of religion.
Hell or heaven are right here on earth.
For 99% it's hell (including me) and for maybe 1% it's heaven.

 

[HumongousTheGod]

Heaven and hell are man-made concepts conceived by ignorant bureaucrats to control the populace and instill fear.
"and man created God in his own image"

this the conclusion I drawn as well seems most logical to me and makes since as well looking at our history books

 

[Lena]

In Roman's 8:38-39, Paul professes that "neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Hell doesn't exist. While God may be unhappy or disappointed in your choice to take your life, a loving god doesn't cast those whom he creates and shares his image with into eternal damnation. You may be punished, but it will not be for eternity, nor will your punishment take place in something that was added into the bible 300 years after Jesus walked the earth.

I was never a believer in Hell. It made no sense to me. But I've since had experiences and have been given knowledge that has led me to believe that Hell DOES exist. And fear of Hell is one of the biggest reasons I decided not to suicide. No matter how bad it gets here, it is not as bad as Hell. Suicide is not an unforgivable sin, but if there is only a .05% chance of Hell, it's a risk that must be avoided if possible.

That quote is still true though. Even in Hell God still loves us. I believe it hurts him beyond comprehension to see us go there. But he doesn't have a choice. There is a natural order and balance to everything. And for some reason that I don't understand some people who are too "bad" end up in Hell.

 

[Lena]

In Roman's 8:38-39, Paul professes that "neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Hell doesn't exist. While God may be unhappy or disappointed in your choice to take your life, a loving god doesn't cast those whom he creates and shares his image with into eternal damnation. You may be punished, but it will not be for eternity, nor will your punishment take place in something that was added into the bible 300 years after Jesus walked the earth.

Using a Bible quote to disprove Hell is not logical. There are many more passages that warn us of the existence of Hell. Many many more.

 

[Threads]

Using a Bible quote to disprove Hell is not logical. There are many more passages that warn us of the existence of Hell. Many many more.

I didn't use a bible quote to disprove the existence of hell, I took a piece of scripture and explained to OP that he's not going to hell if he dies.

' nor will your punishment take place in something that was added into the bible 300 years after Jesus walked the earth.'

If we want to argue about whether hell exists, I'll just leave this here.

http://30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm

 

[HumongousTheGod]

I didn't use a bible quote to disprove the existence of hell, I took a piece of scripture and explained to OP that he's not going to hell if he dies.

' nor will your punishment take place in something that was added into the bible 300 years after Jesus walked the earth.'

If we want to argue about whether hell exists, I'll just leave this here.

http://30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm

thanks I appreciate your calm demeanor when i try to have a discussion such as this irl i normally get a triggered response

 

[Final Escape]

No :) I think it would be pretty messed up if u feel u are in a position where u have no other option than suicide and God would punish you for trying to go out with a shred of dignity. I don't think that all people have options outside of suicide although many probably do but they choose not to access it for whatever reason. There's that point of no return I think.

 

[Armadillo]

I could never figure out the difference between limbo and purgatory. It's all very nebulous.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/04/what-happens-to-the-babies-who-used-to-be-in-limbo.html

According to the depiction of the realms of the afterlife in Dante's "Divina Commedia" if you are not baptised/lived before the coming of Christ and you were still a good person you'll end up in Limbo. There the poet in his journey finds Latin and Greek writers and philosophers whom he admired but can't go to Heaven because they never knew Christ and didn't have the chance to accept his message. The people in Limbo are not damned but are unhappy inside because they know they'll never see God.

Purgatory is only for Christians (actually is just a Catholic thing, and is not mentioned in the Bible as I said), almost all of the people who die and don't go straight to Hell end up in Purgatory for some hundreds of years to purify themselves and go to Heaven. The people in Purgatory suffer but are happy because they know that they'll eventually be with God.

IDK if that makes sense, none of Christianity does to me.