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Does anyone know if using keyboard duster to go unconscious would work for hanging??

My method would be hanging (partial or full not sure which would work better?) Im thinking that if i put the noose around my neck and huff the duster it would render me unconscious and i would feel no pain and the hanging would finish the job without me doing anything!
Would this work??? Im wondering if i would possibly wake up again while hanging? How long would the duster render me unconscious for?

In theory it should work right?
 
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Gas asphyxiation typically doesn't cause unconsciousness abruptly. Initially you don't notice any changes, then there is a period of 5 - 20 seconds when you feel gradual clouding of consciousness until the complete blackout occurs. When unconsciousness is near, you lose control over your body. If you can't stand normally and fall, hanging may happen before losing consciousness and you can feel some discomfort from it.

Anyway, prior gas asphyxiation should reduce the time before losing consciousness while hanging and it should reduce your sensitivity to pain or discomfort, so it can be used as an aid that helps to mitigate distress from hanging.

Choosing a proper gas for asphyxiation is important though. Many keyboard dusters contain either odorants aimed to indicate the presence of a flammable gas or bitterants aimed to discourage inhalant abuse. Such substances can make inhaling the asphyxiant somewhat unpleasant. You could want to use a better gas like food-grade nitrous oxide or R-134a (refrigerant). N2O has an additional anesthetic effect (in addition to the ability to cause hypoxia) which likely makes it better than most simple asphyxiants for the purposes of reducing discomfort.
 
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Gas asphyxiation typically doesn't cause unconsciousness abruptly. Initially you don't notice any changes, then there is a period of 5 - 20 seconds when you feel gradual clouding of consciousness until the complete blackout occurs. When unconsciousness is near, you lose control over your body. If you can't stand normally and fall, hanging may happen before losing consciousness and you can feel some discomfort from it.

Anyway, prior gas asphyxiation should reduce the time before losing consciousness while hanging and it should reduce your sensitivity to pain or discomfort, so it can be used as an aid that helps to mitigate distress from hanging.

Choosing a proper gas for asphyxiation is important though. Many keyboard dusters contain either odorants aimed to indicate the presence of a flammable gas or bitterants aimed to discourage inhalant abuse. Such substances can make inhaling the asphyxiant somewhat unpleasant. You could want to use a better gas like food-grade nitrous oxide or R-134a (refrigerant). N2O has an additional anesthetic effect (in addition to the ability to cause hypoxia) which likely makes it better than most simple asphyxiants for the purposes of reducing discomfort.
thank you for the help! Would butane work- its very easily accessible and cheap, i would definitely prefer this. Or would the N20 whipped cream chargers be enough?
 
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Would butane work- its very easily accessible and cheap, i would definitely prefer this.
Butane should work if the smell of odorants added to it is OK for you.
Or would the N20 whipped cream chargers be enough?
When I tried N2O from cream chargers, it worked well on me. I exhaled as much air as possible and then inhaled approximately 4 liters of nitrous contained in a single charger (the gas was released into a cream dispenser and then from the dispenser into a latex balloon from which inhalation was done) and held my breath. The onset of effects happened in 17 - 20 seconds after inhalation.

If you want a stronger effect, I recommend to use 2 chargers and perform two inhalations with an interval of 10 - 15 seconds between them (full exhaling should be done before both inhalations).
 
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Butane should work if the smell of odorants added to it is OK for you.

When I tried N2O from cream chargers, it worked well on me. I exhaled as much air as possible and then inhaled approximately 4 liters of nitrous contained in a single charger (the gas was released into a cream dispenser and then from the dispenser into a latex balloon from which inhalation was done) and held my breath. The onset of effects happened in 17 - 20 seconds after inhalation.

If you want a stronger effect, I recommend to use 2 chargers and perform two inhalations with an interval of 10 - 15 seconds between them (full exhaling should be done before both inhalations).
Thanks for your help :) I found 100% pure butane, would that be odorless? If not then i will most likely stick with the chargers, would it be fatal alone or is it still best to combine it with hanging?
 
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In practice it has worked.
Full should be more successful.
The duster will only knock you out for a short time. With partial, you could wake up before the noose really knocks you out.
 
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I found 100% pure butane, would that be odorless?
I guess, it's hard to obtain butane without odorants, but you could try ))
would it be fatal alone
In order to CTB with asphyxiation by butane or N2O alone, you have to use something like a plastic bag (with proper seal around the neck) which would prevent inhaling atmospheric oxygen. This is my method of choice (I gonna use N2O when my time to CTB comes).
or is it still best to combine it with hanging?
I think, if done right, gas asphyxiation with a sealed bag can be nearly as efficient as combinations of sedation or rendering unconsciousness by gas asphyxiation with other asphyxiation-based methods, such as hanging or drowning.
 
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I guess, it's hard to obtain butane without odorants, but you could try ))

In order to CTB with asphyxiation by butane or N2O alone, you have to use something like a plastic bag (with proper seal around the neck) which would prevent inhaling atmospheric oxygen. This is my method of choice (I gonna use N2O when my time to CTB comes).

I think, if done right, gas asphyxiation with a sealed bag can be nearly as efficient as combinations of sedation or rendering unconsciousness by gas asphyxiation with other asphyxiation-based methods, such as hanging or drowning.
So i got a bottle of 100% butane, can i just fill up a plastic bag with gas, tape it around my head and CTB? This would definitely work ???
 
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So i got a bottle of 100% butane, can i just fill up a plastic bag with gas, tape it around my head and CTB? This would definitely work ???
Assuming that the bag volume and gas amount are sufficient and that there are no problems when putting it on, the remaining failure point is the strength of the seal which could presumably be affected by anoxic seizures and maybe perspiration.

it seems that even a very small leak (as small as a 15-gauge needle) could prove disastrous: https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1097/00000542-195511000-00004

This is, I think, the biggest problem with homemade rebreather setups. IMO, only a mask utilizing positive pressure (like SCBA) would be sufficiently reliable, but then the internal volume would not be high enough for a rebreather setup.

Moreover, as this paper states, "Death then occurs in a matter of seconds or minutes, although this depends not only on the concentration percentage of oxygen, but also on the rate at which it decreases. Consequently, asphyxia can be rapid (2-3 minutes) when there is no oxygen, prolonged (20-25 minutes) when oxygen is reduced gradually, and even more delayed (60 minutes) when the oxygen concentration remains at 20% but another harmful gas is present."

So, if a leak occurred, you might still die, but it would take a lot longer, leaving more time to be "rescued" and end up with brain damage.
 
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Assuming that the bag volume and gas amount are sufficient and that there are no problems when putting it on, the remaining failure point is the strength of the seal which could presumably be affected by anoxic seizures and maybe perspiration.

it seems that even a very small leak (as small as a 15-gauge needle) could prove disastrous: https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1097/00000542-195511000-00004

This is, I think, the biggest problem with homemade rebreather setups. IMO, only a mask utilizing positive pressure (like SCBA) would be sufficiently reliable, but then the internal volume would not be high enough for a rebreather setup.

Moreover, as this paper states, "Death then occurs in a matter of seconds or minutes, although this depends not only on the concentration percentage of oxygen, but also on the rate at which it decreases. Consequently, asphyxia can be rapid (2-3 minutes) when there is no oxygen, prolonged (20-25 minutes) when oxygen is reduced gradually, and even more delayed (60 minutes) when the oxygen concentration remains at 20% but another harmful gas is present."
Maybe i could double bag🤔 I wish butane came in a gas canister so i could use the hose and mask setup, i cant really think of another way to do it- i could just stick with my original plan and use it with hanging. The only other gas i could go get in person would be argon or nitrogen but its expensive and i doubt i would be able to come up with a reason that i need it (i definitely don't look the part of a welder), guess it wouldnt matter in the end but i would still rather go with butane now that i already have it.
 
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So i got a bottle of 100% butane, can i just fill up a plastic bag with gas, tape it around my head and CTB? This would definitely work ???
The method is not foolproof, the chances to CTB successfully depend on the chosen materials, accuracy and preventing the possibility of resuscitation.

The bag should be durable enough (relatively hard for rupturing), but not too thick. It should be flexible, so it could easily inflate and deflate as you breathe, minimizing the possibility of substantial leaks through small holes.

The volume of the bag I'd use would be at least 20 liters, so that 2 - 4 liters of air coming inside wouldn't result in a too large concentration of oxygen. As much air as possible should be exhaled before the bag is placed over the head. The bag should be filled with the gas in a way that minimizes the amount of air entering inside. It should not be opened until it touches the head, and it should be put over the head via a careful sliding movement (which can and should be trained with an air-filled bag beforehand).

The seal should be done with a stretchable material such as PVC electrical tape, using multiple layers wrapped with some tension around the whole length of the neck.

Considering that some people managed to CTB even without using asphyxiant gases


I don't expect significant complications if you follow the procedure well.
The only other gas i could go get in person would be argon or nitrogen but its expensive and i doubt i would be able to come up with a reason that i need it (i definitely don't look the part of a welder), guess it wouldnt matter in the end but i would still rather go with butane now that i already have it.
Have you tried to find nitrous oxide chargers and dispensers for making whipped creams? They're available in many countries. I purchased a 500 ml dispenser for approximately $20 and 6 packages of 10 8g N2O chargers for nearly $30. This is more than enough for testing and CTB. This gas has a weak neutral chemical odor and produces a light euphoria after inhaling it for 1 - 3 minutes. I wouldn't exchange it for inert gases, because those most likely can't produce such feelings or are too expensive (xenon can compete with N2O in terms of perceptions, but its price is just insanely high).
 
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The method is not foolproof, the chances to CTB successfully depend on the chosen materials, accuracy and preventing the possibility of resuscitation.

The bag should be durable enough (relatively hard for rupturing), but not too thick. It should be flexible, so it could easily inflate and deflate as you breathe, minimizing the possibility of substantial leaks through small holes.

The volume of the bag I'd use would be at least 20 liters, so that 2 - 4 liters of air coming inside wouldn't result in a too large concentration of oxygen. As much air as possible should be exhaled before the bag is placed over the head. The bag should be filled with the gas in a way that minimizes the amount of air entering inside. It should not be opened until it touches the head, and it should be put over the head via a careful sliding movement (which can and should be trained with an air-filled bag beforehand).

The seal should be done with a stretchable material such as PVC electrical tape, using multiple layers wrapped with some tension around the whole length of the neck.

Considering that some people managed to CTB even without using asphyxiant gases


I don't expect significant complications if you follow the procedure well.

Have you tried to find nitrous oxide chargers and dispensers for making whipped creams? They're available in many countries. I purchased a 500 ml dispenser for approximately $20 and 6 packages of 10 8g N2O chargers for nearly $30. This is more than enough for testing and CTB. This gas has a weak neutral chemical odor and produces a light euphoria after inhaling it for 1 - 3 minutes. I wouldn't exchange it for inert gases, because those most likely can't produce such feelings or are too expensive (xenon can compete with N2O in terms of perceptions, but its price is just insanely high).
Would these be okay? https://www.ezywhip.com.au/dreamwhi...CpxpvIGoVOuhM1y-3vH6nMJLC-Jn27v5rQhk-qQkDIFfQ
I havent looked much into chargers but its looking like it could be my new method, seems very peaceful. How would you actually do it though? Sorry if this seems stupid, i clearly need to do more research- but surely one charger wouldnt be enough.. How would you get the gas from multiple chargers🤔 Thank you so much for the help by the way!
 
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Would these be okay?
They look good. There are chargers that contain special additives which are supposed to add a specific taste to the cream, and such chargers should probably be avoided, because you need just pure N2O.
How would you actually do it though?
Firstly, I gonna use a few chargers in order to produce euphoric feelings and displace almost all air from the dispenser. For this purpose, I'll use a latex balloon instead of a plastic bag. Inhalation of the gas is supposed to be done through the mouth in this case. Then I gonna attach an empty trash bag to the output of the dispenser, secure it with a few layers of electrical tape (so I won't need to hold the bag with my hands), and then start the procedure of filling the bag.
Sorry if this seems stupid, i clearly need to do more research- but surely one charger wouldnt be enough..
Each 8g charger contains the amount of gas which expands to approximately 4 liters at the pressure of 1 atmosphere. Therefore, for filling a bag with the volume of 20 - 30 liters I will need 5 - 8 chargers.
How would you get the gas from multiple chargers🤔
The safety precautions imply that whenever a dispenser is filled from a single charger, the gas should be released from it prior to using the next charger to refill the dispenser again, so I wouldn't ever try to fill the dispenser with several chargers without releasing the gas in between.

The input screw (where you place the cap with a charger), the output screw (where you attach the bag) and the trigger of the dispenser are separated from each other, so there is no any unhandy interference between filling the bag and putting new chargers. All you have to do is to put a charger into the cap (which should be in the kit containing the dispenser), screw the cap (as shown on various videos about making whipped cream), then pull the trigger (hold it until the gas is released), then unscrew the cap, remove the charger and repeat.

I'll probably also wear gloves, because the dispenser will become very cold after a series of filling-releasing operations (it becomes noticeably cold even after handling a single charger).

When the bag is filled sufficiently, it makes sense to wait a few minutes till the gas becomes warmer. When the bag with N2O is completely ready, hyperventilation is performed and the bag is detached from the dispenser. Then the bag is carefully placed over the head while holding breath (prior hyperventilation is supposed to increase the time during which breath holding can be carried out comfortably) and sealed around the neck as outlined above.

After the bag is secured around the neck, breathing is resumed in the form of deep inhales and deep exhales. Note that these inhalations probably won't cause euphoria nor contribute anything remarkable to the euphoric feelings caused by prior consuming of N2O, because this effect needs substantially more time to develop than needed for reaching unconsciousness from hypoxia.

When N2O is used for producing rapid unconsciousness, the perceivable effect may be indistinguishable from that of plain inert gases like argon. N2O may reveal its advantages when it's consumed recreationally beforehand and when its additional sedative effect could play a significant role in preventing or mitigating discomfort in case if hypoxia alone would not suffice for suppressing perceivable symptoms of hypercapnia induced by accumulated carbon dioxide (this may happen if the concentration of residual O2 is much higher than should be).

If you live in Australia and have a hot weather there, you should pay attention to proper transportation and storage of N2O chargers. The critical temperature of N2O is 36.4 - 36.5 °C. When the temperature is below this critical point, N2O can exist in the liquid form with the pressure of vapors at most 71 - 74 atmospheres (different sources provide slightly different values of the critical temperature and pressure).

N2O chargers are very small (approximately 10 ml each) and normally contain N2O in the form of fluid inside. However, if the temperature goes above the critical value, this substance may become supercritical fluid whose pressure can grow to approximately 400 atmospheres or even more. Although some manufacturers claim that their chargers can withstand temperatures up to 50 °C without rupturing, I wouldn't really want to check this, and I'd advise to not let your chargers be exposed to heat above 36 °C at any time (holding a charger in bare hands for a few seconds should be safe).

After buying a dispenser, I recommend to wash its insides and dry (do not use any extra heat, because dispensers may have sensitive plastic cover inside).
 
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thank you for the help! Would butane work- its very easily accessible and cheap, i would definitely prefer this. Or would the N20 whipped cream chargers be enough?
I'd be wary of using highly flammable gases. the concentrations at which they are flammable are lower than those needed to render you unconscious. I'm thinking of the possible collateral damage (house fire) or catching on fire before going unconscious. any small spark (static for instance) could set it off. N2O is probably the better way. On the other hand butane and similar gases produce Carbon Monoxide when combusted. The carbon monoxide would be a better gas to use for this purpose.
 
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I'd be wary of using highly flammable gases. the concentrations at which they are flammable are lower than those needed to render you unconscious. I'm thinking of the possible collateral damage (house fire) or catching on fire before going unconscious. any small spark (static for instance) could set it off. N2O is probably the better way. On the other hand butane and similar gases produce Carbon Monoxide when combusted. The carbon monoxide would be a better gas to use for this purpose.
that makes me worried.. how would it catch on fire if im just spraying it into a bag and putting it over my head?? I would be doing it in a room, no wires nearby. What could it catch on fire from?? I will order n20 today, youve given me anxiety about it now haha!
 
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that makes me worried.. how would it catch on fire if im just spraying it into a bag and putting it over my head?? I would be doing it in a room, no wires nearby. What could it catch on fire from?? I will order n20 today, youve given me anxiety about it now haha!
I think we all want quick, peaceful and pain free. Its important that the method is completely under our control right up until the last second. Using explosive combustible gas is just too much of a risk IMO.
 
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@Intoxicated could you please message me🙂
 
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how would it catch on fire if im just spraying it into a bag and putting it over my head?? I would be doing it in a room, no wires nearby. What could it catch on fire from??
Theoretically, butane can be ignited by a spark produced by static electricity from friction. But that friction must be intense and relative humidity of ambient air must be low enough in order to produce such a discharge. At high humidity levels, appearing of electrical sparks from friction becomes nearly impossible.
I will order n20 today, youve given me anxiety about it now haha!
N2O is superior anyway. It has anesthetic properties that can significantly reduce your sensitivity to CO2 buildup even if you remain conscious due to presence of too much oxygen in the bag. Butane or plain inert gases don't have such an effect, to my knowledge.


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Theoretically, butane can be ignited by a spark produced by static electricity from friction. But that friction must be intense and relative humidity of ambient air must be low enough in order to produce such a discharge. At high humidity levels, appearing of electrical sparks from friction becomes nearly impossible.

N2O is superior anyway. It has anesthetic properties that can significantly reduce your sensitivity to CO2 buildup even if you remain conscious due to presence of too much oxygen in the bag. Butane or plain inert gases don't have such an effect, to my knowledge.



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Yeah i will definitely go with N20! I have ordered some and its supposed to arrive in 3-4 days, will update on my plan as its happening.
Ive been reading the nitrous oxide subreddit and many people have experienced nothing but relaxation when passing out- sounds amazing.


No problem! I just thought we could talk about it since we are now doing the same method, bit easier than public posting :)
 

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