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angelinx

angelinx

too sensitive for this world
Apr 30, 2025
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I'm sure a lot of us here can relate to only staying alive for other people, which is currently the main thing holding me back. I met my current partner in the psych ward of all places, except it is not too often we are able to see each other due to long-distance. I don't want to make this too long, but I have this feeling that I am not going to be here too much longer, as I have been thinking of various methods and drafting a suicide note to give some of the few people in my life closure. All I want is for them to truly be able to move on from this and find peace. For as long as I can remember, I've been doing everything for other people and putting everyone else's needs above my own. I have to start doing things for myself instead of worrying about pleasing the people around me. I care about my partner's feelings more than I care about my own but I have never felt more hopeless in life than I do right now. Referring back to the title, does anyone believe that suicide can be justified, and is there any way I can give them as much closure as I possibly can? I just feel fundamentally broken beyond belief and I need a way out.
 
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Short answer: yes, justifiable and we can do our best to explain but it will never be enough.
 
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I'm sure a lot of us here can relate to only staying alive for other people, which is currently the main thing holding me back. I met my current partner in the psych ward of all places, except it is not too often we are able to see each other due to long-distance. I don't want to make this too long, but I have this feeling that I am not going to be here too much longer, as I have been thinking of various methods and drafting a suicide note to give some of the few people in my life closure. All I want is for them to truly be able to move on from this and find peace. For as long as I can remember, I've been doing everything for other people and putting everyone else's needs above my own. I have to start doing things for myself instead of worrying about pleasing the people around me. I care about my partner's feelings more than I care about my own but I have never felt more hopeless in life than I do right now. Referring back to the title, does anyone believe that suicide can be justified, and is there any way I can give them as much closure as I possibly can? I just feel fundamentally broken beyond belief and I need a way out.
It's justifiable only with a terminal illness. Otherwise, a very self serving act. Suicide is a very personal self involved proposition. Especially in the modern age. There are a multitude of possible solutions before the idea of suicide. It's just people for whatever reason don't want to or care to explore or engage them.
 
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rs929

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It's justifiable only with a terminal illness. Otherwise, a very self serving act. Suicide is a very personal self involved proposition. Especially in the modern age. There are a multitude of possible solutions before the idea of suicide. It's just people for whatever reason don't want to or care to explore or engage them.
It's a classic. "Suicidal is selfish". "You haven't tried enough"
While this kind of arguments annoy me, I think you do have a point with terminal illness being one of the only reasons that justifies it objectively.
Most of the time there is no objective philosophical justification for suicide. You can't foretell the future. Unless you have a stage 4 cancer and you're dying.
Things could improve in the future and your life be worth living again. But, if someone decides to take the risk because he or she doesn't seem it likely, I think it's a personal call made amidst of pain and I wouldn't label it as self serving or selfish.
 
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I'm realistic about it. I don't try to justify it to myself. I know it's wrong. I know it's unnatural. I know its cowardly. I know many things about it and I would still do it. Simply because all the reasons it shouldn't be done are for an external audience. Nobody is inside you to know what it feels like for you. I just accept that if I do it then it is what it is. But I won't romanticize it or debate it's pilisophical implications. After all, death ends everything and nothing matters after it. Hopefully.
 
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my body my choice.
 
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vitbar

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Jun 4, 2023
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In terms of justifying it to other people, a romantic partner in this case, then I think terminal illness/situation is the easiest to accept. Beyond that there are degrees, and it'll depend on both the person killing themselves and the judgement of each individual.
 
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angelinx

angelinx

too sensitive for this world
Apr 30, 2025
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It's a classic. "Suicidal is selfish". "You haven't tried enough"
While this kind of arguments annoy me, I think you do have a point with terminal illness being one of the only reasons that justifies it objectively.
Most of the time there is no objective philosophical justification for suicide. You can't foretell the future. Unless you have a stage 4 cancer and you're dying.
Things could improve in the future and your life be worth living again. But, if someone decides to take the risk because he or she doesn't seem it likely, I think it's a personal call made amidst of pain and I wouldn't label it as self serving or selfish.
I agree with this stance
 
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Apathy79

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Oct 13, 2019
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Title of this forum should give an idea of the general consensus here.

I don't know the answer for myself yet outside the obvious cases (like unbearable uncurable pain, saving someone else, etc). That unbearable uncurable pain though is where a lot sit here, even if it's not physical. I've come to terms with that being the reason my best friend ctb. Saving someone else also doesn't have to be directly standing in front of the knife that's about to cut them either. There are people here who have expressed the desire to kill their family and friends if they don't ctb. If that's serious, it must be the right call.
 
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rs929

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Dec 18, 2020
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I'm realistic about it. I don't try to justify it to myself. I know it's wrong. I know it's unnatural. I know its cowardly. I know many things about it and I would still do it. Simply because all the reasons it shouldn't be done are for an external audience. Nobody is inside you to know what it feels like for you. I just accept that if I do it then it is what it is. But I won't romanticize it or debate it's pilisophical implications. After all, death ends everything and nothing matters after it. Hopefully.
Well you have it much easier than I do. Because I don't really care what society thinks about it. People can believe whatever they want. But, in order to actually move forward with it, I need to justify it to MYSELF. I don't think I'm a coward for doing it. I don't think it's "wrong" by moral standards. I do think it's unnatural, (but "natural" is something probably lost in human beings). But I still need a reason to justify it rationally to myself because I need the logical conclusion that suicide is the best choice, otherwise I'm just acting on impulse. And I can't find an absolutely certainty that my life will not get better. I might do it anyway if I can't stand the pain, though
We agree to disagree
 
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You should read slower. You're agreeing with me. You said it yourself. You have to justify it to yourself which is the same as trying to find a loop hole to feel better about the choice and daring enough to go through with it. Instinctively, you have to know its wrong. This is what SI is all about. You're not meant to put your body in a state where it fights against your mind. It's unnatural biologically. Everyone here knows survival instinct is a very strong opponent. Like fighting gravity. Think for a second. You know murder is wrong, right? Not just others. Killing yourself too. We just know it is. You are 100% lying to yourself if you think there is a rational conclusion. Which is why you should just do it if you're serious. More ctb has been successful by people being " impulsive" than sitting around thinking about it. Which is literally what we are doing right now. Which is why were still alive. Which is kind of funny in a sad way.

Conclusion, justification is another excuse to not do it. Death is death and the end is the end. If nothing matters then nothing matters.
 
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rs929

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You said, literally:
There are a multitude of possible solutions before the idea of suicide. It's just people for whatever reason don't want to or care to explore or engage them.
And later
Which is why you should just do it if you're serious
I might read too fast but this doesn't make any sense to me. You start saying "suicide is really bad, there are solutions" then later you go "but you should do it any way instead of thinking too much".
So, according to you, suicide is unnatural, cowardly, and basically a bad idea rationally, but you think it's okay to do it, because you feel like it.
I clearly don't agree, sorry, I believe it can be a rational decision in some cases. I haven't been able to come to a rational choice, therefore I'll hang in there even if I feel like dying. I might eventually come to a decision if I have reasons to believe my suffering will greatly outweigh positive stuff in the future. Killing myself because I feel like dying RIGHT IN THIS MOMENT doesn't make any sense to me.
I respect you see it differently though
 
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It's justifiable only with a terminal illness. Otherwise, a very self serving act. Suicide is a very personal self involved proposition. Especially in the modern age. There are a multitude of possible solutions before the idea of suicide. It's just people for whatever reason don't want to or care to explore or engage them.
And for people with severe, untreatable mental illness? For those who have explored and engaged in the "multitude of possible solutions"? You could say ah but a new treatment may come along. Yes it may. But you could say that even for the later stages of cancer. The fact is that these days people can be kept alive far longer whatever their issues but is that fair? Unless someone has lost capacity, why should anyone else have the right to judge? No one can know another person's pain and suffering. Forcing them to continue suffering with no more hope than a terminally I'll cancer sufferer is selfish and unjustifiable. The person wanting to end their own life is very likely to have considered the effect on others. The ones demanding they continue to live, not so much.
 
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Malfunction

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I don't think its wrong. I think forcing your will on others is wrong and selfish.

Let's face reality, we're all going to die eventually. Why should anyone be forced into a life they do not want. There's countless reasons why someone would want to die, because there are far worse things than death in life.

I simply think that any adult has the right to choose. As long as they understand the implications of their choice, it is theirs to make. Once someone reaches legal age, they make their own choices.

I'm not advocating to dismantling prevention. We should in fact be reinforcing it, as I'd rather save a life than lose one. People should have the resources available to help, because as it stands those resources are practically non existent to most. If someone offered me the opportunity to rid myself of my health issues, then I'd probably still want to die at a time of my choosing, just at a much later date. Because even if I was healthy, I wouldn't want to live to 100 years old, I don't want to be old and frail (no offense to anyone else). Some people do. and that's a great milestone. But my choice would be a hard pass, and that choice should always exist for everyone.

Personally, I have a host of health issues. My quality of life is just not worth pursuing. At 50, things aren't going to magically get any better. They are factually going to get worse as we can't prevent that (yet). I don't feel like riding out what is to come just to satisfy societies moral/control issues.
 
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Forever Sleep

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It's a personal thing I feel. At the moment- no- I can't justify doing it. I feel like my Dad would be devastated. Is it justifiable to knowingly devastate someone? Not really. That's more though because I do feel like I can tread water for now. I hate it but, I'm not in unbearable pain exactly. Perhaps if my situation worsens, I'll feel differently and the balance will shift. I deeply resent this emotional trap I've been born in to though.

As an overall concept, I'm an anti-natilist. So- the 'problem' reaches back to then for me. Is it 'justifiable' to bring a life into such risky circumstances and then expect it to stay here- even if it finds that life intolerable? No. That's an unreasonable burden to put on a sentient being. Most especially one that is prone to sickness, mental illness and exposed to a world where they may be abused, assaulted, bullied, exploited. Where they may simply struggle and fail to adequately survive.

So- the choice to create life and the expectation/ stipulation it must stay here (I feel) is just- if not more unjustified as a person choosing to quit/ escape. Why is it unreasonable to want to escape a painful situation?

Ultimately- it's something they ought to have considered before bringing life here: What if my child is so unhappy and struggles so much that they end up wanting to kill themselves? Is it 'justifiable' to expose a being I love to that risk? Again- no. At the abolute minimum- we ought to be able to leave peacefully if life is intolerable for us.

Is it justifiable to run an experiment with a sentient creature where they may find themselves in pain but, it's also painful and risky for them to attempt to exit that experiment? Surely- that's unethical. What's the goal? Because we enjoy keeping them as a pet? Because we want to see how they'll do? What justifies exposing a sentient being to the risk of suffering while not giving it the option to leave? How does that relate to love?

They'll argue that it is about love. They want the person they care about to stay and live a happy life. Can they prove that all people can achieve that though? Surely, if the person themself is saying that nothing is helping- isn't that enough to suggest they may not actually recover? So again- can they justify keeping someone here in pain?

Of course, initially it's based on a variable we don't know. The child may actually grow to be content with life. We can perhaps predict the problems it will face to some extent. Considering genetics, surroundings, financial stability. We won't know entirely though. Plenty of wild cards thrown in in life. It's more I assume that would- be parents simply just hope for the best and, if they do run into hard times, they hope they'll pull through. Difficult times are absolutely ineviatable though.

Where I suppose suicide differs is we can more accurately predict the response to it will be negative. However- fundamentally- what are we actually saying here? We shouldn't suicide because it exposes our loved ones to mourning a death. Again though- parents bringing children here expose them to the pain of losing multiple relatives most likely. We'll very likely experience the death of both sets of grandparents plus, our own parents before we then die ourselves. So- if the prime goal is to protect beings from mourning death- including themselves- parents shouldn't be creating life to begin with! As soon as they've done that, they've created the conditions for suffering for everyone.
 
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If you're asking whether it's justified to reject or leave a life you don't want — like walking away from a career, relationship, identity, or even societal expectations — yes, that can absolutely be justified. It's not wrong to end a life that feels wrong, to want to be free, and aligned with who you are.

Living a life that one doesn't want to live is wrong.
 
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For me the answer is yes. I believe the ones we want to justify it to know about our brokenness. While obviously traumatic, it is an end to suffering. I think death by accident or murder may be even harder to deal with. Everyone's situation is different though. In the end, I need to justify it to myself, the choice and the pain it will cause.
 
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Of course suicide is sometimes justified. Whether or not it is in your case, I don't know.
 
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Suicide is not "Justified", because it doesn't need to be "Justified".

Think about it this way: Who are you "Justifying" it too? The goverment? Society? The Church? Your family or friends?

It's your choice, you don't have to "justify" your choices to anyone.
 
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Worndown

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As long as people find themselves in complete and total despair, nobody should speak against it.
We can only take so much.
 
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lunar02102009

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It highly depends on the situation depends on the situation but i think as i know i dont think that 90% of people change their mind on suicide ( even if they dont do it ) once you start feeling suicidal ( even if you feel happy ) every little thing that goes wrong with your day ( which was a destroyer back when you very depressed at your max ) will make you have suicidal thoughts because we can deny , we are all tired , we dont expect a perfect life , lets face it , we just wanna be happy . So imo i think every suicide is justified consdiering once a person goes mentally they never come back even at their happiest moments later in life they will get suicidal thoughts whenever their days goes down , but the positive thing is they will rather understand why someone did what they did ( ie ctb )
 
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_Maya

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Jan 26, 2025
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I think suicide will always be something that is "justified" in my eyes. People often complain about how it'll make other people around you sad, and its selfish to do so. Which i don't think really matters. its your life, you shouldn't continue suffering just to keep others happy.
 
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Thank you to all the responses I truly appreciate hearing all the different perspectives, as I am new here and this is my first post :)
 
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Honestly, I don't think there's much we can do.

It always ends up being oneself who's cruel, unfair, and selfish when we put ourself before others. It doesn't matter how much we've done for them before. They will always have something to reproach us for, if we are dead we will no longer be useful to them.

We can't be tied to the desires of others.

When I finally choose to be "free", nothing else will matter to me anymore. I think I've spent my whole life explaining myself. I don't have to justify anything. My life belongs to me, and I'll do what I want with it.
 
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eattwinkiesseejesus

Praying for death to a God that doesn't answer
Jan 18, 2025
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I think you're asking a loaded question to be honest. My multiple issues and personalities alone are in debate and I'm just one person😂🤣
As a Christian- I'd have to say no, it's never justified. God/Jesus alone have the final say in who lives and dies and he came and died for us all - how could we justify killing ourselves when he loved us so much he already gave his life and endured a torture we could not even fathom just to throw it back in his face?
As a realist, I agree with another commentor- no it's not justifiable because it's not normal, it's not natural, I know it's wrong (yes, religion aside- even from a non believing perspective if we were meant to be able to decide whether we live or die there would far more of us finding success) but I would still do it in a heartbeat. I'm not looking to justify my actions, I'm just looking for peace and an end.
In a bitterly broken and abused mindset, I could attempt to try searching for justification by saying I didn't ask for this. I didn't ask to be born, I didn't ask to grow up in an abusive household or to have what I thought was the love of my life lie to me and trap me for eternity, I didn't ask to be born with a hormonal imbalance that has me swinging between depressed and rageful to manic and suicidal. The years I have lived, I suffered through to please those around me and to keep them happy and to keep them from hurting but what about me? When do I get to put myself first? I could attempt to justify ctb by claiming this is the one thing I'm doing for me because *I* am hurting and am putting myself first for a change. Even, for me, I'm a mom- I use my children to try justifying my desperation for suicide because how can I give them the lives they deserve and require with all my issues? I'm doing more harm than good surely just by existing in their lives.
But the empath in me says that's insanity, the ripple effect and the lives it would alter could never truly be justified.

It doesn't really matter though in my opinion. As I said I'd do it (and have tried*) in a heartbeat. When you're sitting there in your final moments with that bottle of pills or glock in hand and tears streaming down your face as you cry and rage about the hurt in your heart or your body - none of it matters. The world doesn't care to justify what it's done to us, we should leave it the same way. 🤷‍♀️
 
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Thank you to all the responses I truly appreciate hearing all the different perspectives, as I am new here and this is my first post :)
Welcome to sasu. Read the Rules and ask for help if needed. Use the Support tab for more help. Use the search bar to find Threads posts etc. Be respectful to other posters. Sorry you are here but glad you are. Peace.
 
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brokeandbroken

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I'm sure a lot of us here can relate to only staying alive for other people, which is currently the main thing holding me back. I met my current partner in the psych ward of all places, except it is not too often we are able to see each other due to long-distance. I don't want to make this too long, but I have this feeling that I am not going to be here too much longer, as I have been thinking of various methods and drafting a suicide note to give some of the few people in my life closure. All I want is for them to truly be able to move on from this and find peace. For as long as I can remember, I've been doing everything for other people and putting everyone else's needs above my own. I have to start doing things for myself instead of worrying about pleasing the people around me. I care about my partner's feelings more than I care about my own but I have never felt more hopeless in life than I do right now. Referring back to the title, does anyone believe that suicide can be justified, and is there any way I can give them as much closure as I possibly can? I just feel fundamentally broken beyond belief and I need a way out.
I mean end of the day the most ardent of policy makers would have to admit it is justified in some situations. For instance if that warfighter in a foreign country in the Hollywood esque situation gets captured with a cyanide capsule in their tooth. It's either give up valuable knowledge or commit suicide and take it to the grave. I'd be willing to be a substantial amount of money given the option option b is likely going to be not only chosen but taught and drilled in as discipline. Hell look a the war in Ukraine. You can head over to reddit and see video after video after Russians ctbing. Or see 9/11 people jumping to their deaths. Even the medical examiners basically forgave it. So yeah it's a spectrum. Just some people close their eyes to and others they have eyes to punish. I never saw people trying to get you better. But just punishing you for being depressed in the first place. To be honest i don't think I honestly remember or if I have ever have had someone in really any context actually care about improving my situation. Like even if I was sick. Here's some pills maybe it will cover my ass.

It usually a game of how to cover my ass the best.

But yeah some suicides are obviously more justified than others. It's pretty obvious.
 
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SecretDissociation

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Almost always justified, unless it's a horrible person killing themselves just so they can escape justice and the wrath of their victims. They should live to suffer and rot.
 
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