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Forever Sleep

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May 4, 2022
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I have my own feelings that therapy is different to physical healthcare. Therapy requires the patient to put in the majority of effort themselves- I feel. As a tutor used to tell us: 'You can lead a horse to water but, you can't make it drink.'

So, for me for instance. It would be pointless. I'm not so eager to overcome my social anxiety that I would be willing to put myself through the discomfort of being in social situations. It seems obvious to me- that's what they would try to get me to do. So, I would effectively be paying for advice that I would then ignore!

Sometimes, I wonder if we choose certain behaviours- even though they may not be good for us- self harm, alchohol or drug abuse, obsessive behaviours, any kind of coping mechanism, because they enable us to get through lives we find difficult.

To effectively remove our reliance on those things though, life either needs to become easier for us or, we need to have a bigger goal to believe in and work towards. Or, we need to erase the trauma that sends us spiralling towards those things. Can therapists change those things for us?

I guess drugs are introduced sometimes to create a sense of being able to cope. Then, life's rewards are presumably supposed to pick up the slack.

I have these different feelings towards therapy I suppose. On the one hand, I think it is presented as a kind of 'fix all' cure, when I think the reality is- the lion's share of effort will need to come from the patient. I wonder if it's sometimes doomed to fail from the start with some people.

I actually think it's unreasonable for us to go in and effectively expect them to 'fix' us. I wonder if it's even possible for some people. If an addict doesn't really see the point in quitting- will they ultimately? If someone with social anxiety refuses to be around people, how can they ever be cured?

I suppose I feel like we should stop being presented with mental healthcare as some fix- all solution. Not that I'm against trying it of course. But, maybe it's also unreasonable for some of us to expect to magically be 'fixed'. If, deep down we have such strong motivations to harm ourselves- effectively.

Would it be more helpful to view it in terms of something that can be helpful only if we are truly intent on recovery? But then, maybe that's untrue. I suppose any assistance it can bring in coping with life must be a good thing.
 
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NearlyIrrelevantCake

NearlyIrrelevantCake

The Cake Is A Lie
Aug 12, 2021
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Literally no treatment for any illness, physical or mental, will help 100% of people. There will always be someone who can't be helped by that treatment, through no fault of their own.
 
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Forveleth

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Mar 26, 2024
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Therapy and meds are definitely seen as a "fix all" solution. No one wants to admit that the "easy" stuff does not work for everyone. Just like when looking up anything about suicide we get the generic "cal a hotline" response. It is the long-established system that society can not be bothered to reexamine for its flaws.

As far as people that "can't" be fixed, I believe the argument is a little more grey. Are there currently perfect cures for every mental/physical condition? No. Butt there are also many coping mechanisms that can be leveraged to help people live more comfortably with that they have. The problem is getting people access to the help and support they need to successfully cope. There is also the matter of choice. If one chooses not to seek assistance I do not think that makes a person "incurable" but rather they have chosen not to take that option.
 
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Mar 9, 2024
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Agreed, therapy--when it's helpful--usually works by giving you the tools that you were lacking before. It's your job to actually put those tools to use. Someone like you or me, who is just not interested in having a life at all, will thus not benefit because it's not our lack of tools that's the problem, it's our fundamental lack of will to live. You can't fix that.

The comparison to addicts is a good one. A lot of people think that you just need to open up more rehab centres and that'll fix the problem of addiction. But the truth is, even if all the resources were available, some people would just never use them.
 
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Dejected 55

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May 7, 2025
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The problem I see with most therapy and medications tends to be that they are designed to shift everyone towards the mean... so if society is creating frustrated people, and you artificially shift their perception so they can "tolerate" reality or drug them until they "feel" normal... you haven't helped them and you haven't addressed the influx of people you're always going to have.

But then, medicine isn't always about cures is it? There is little profit in curing people... way more money to be made with regular require treatments most or all of your life.

Therapy and meds don't work on people the most impacted by our warped society. You can't fit a square peg in a round hole but so many times. We should have a society that works for more different shaped pegs, but we really don't. If you are close to average you have the best shot of making it through by default. Otherwise they will try and shave you down, crush you, warp you, and cram you into that hole somehow "for your own good" and it either doesn't work, it does work but irreparably harms you in doing so, or they succeed in converting you into someone you really were not meant to be.

It all sucks.
 
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Fish-Holder

i hate fish!!!!
Aug 29, 2025
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It may happen. people organism works similar, yet organism may not execute as planned. Allergies is the worst reaction organism could show after taking meds
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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It may happen. people organism works similar, yet organism may not execute as planned. Allergies is the worst reaction organism could show after taking meds

I think even members here have suffered worse than allergies after taking some meds. Not to say I'm against medication but I don't think people are even aware sometimes of the side effects.
 
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Namelesa

Namelesa

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Sep 21, 2024
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Definitely its seen as easy fix which is stupid when a lot of the time its a lot more complicated. Often times therapists aren't good at their job or a certain medication given doesn't help. Somethings like therapy and meds literally can't make better but a different environment or people might. Even then I would say that not everyone can be "fixed" or recover. I have seen some people say they have tried so many things and so hard to get better at no fault of their own.
 
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WhatCouldHaveBeen32

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Oct 12, 2024
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I agree meds are seen as a band aid solution for problems that the roots of are not even understood as valid. For me it's kind of doomed to be honest , I tried dozens of meds without exageration, I don't have access to a lot of meds and treatments and even the ones I had the access to , it felt so forced on me, it felt like they just checked some boxes, gave me the meds , nothing changed and then they changed the meds and I quit eventually.


Tl;DR it was pointless for me. The way I view things is just a natural thing, probability dictates that people like me will exist, even if we like it or not and that's just another sad aspect of life.
 
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FoxSauce

FoxSauce

Emotional unstable like and IKEA table
Aug 23, 2024
738
Hmmmmm idk tbh cbt helped me alot

But honestly not in its entirety. Do.i feel like I want to live? Depends but not really


Did meds help? Yeah a lot

Medicine has improved a lot but soke people's mindset really hasn't changed that much
 
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Scythe

Lost in a delusion
Sep 5, 2022
687
If it's really the fix all this site wouldn't exist.
 
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TBONTB

Wizard
May 31, 2025
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I have my own feelings that therapy is different to physical healthcare. Therapy requires the patient to put in the majority of effort themselves- I feel. As a tutor used to tell us: 'You can lead a horse to water but, you can't make it drink.'

So, for me for instance. It would be pointless. I'm not so eager to overcome my social anxiety that I would be willing to put myself through the discomfort of being in social situations. It seems obvious to me- that's what they would try to get me to do. So, I would effectively be paying for advice that I would then ignore!

Sometimes, I wonder if we choose certain behaviours- even though they may not be good for us- self harm, alchohol or drug abuse, obsessive behaviours, any kind of coping mechanism, because they enable us to get through lives we find difficult.

To effectively remove our reliance on those things though, life either needs to become easier for us or, we need to have a bigger goal to believe in and work towards. Or, we need to erase the trauma that sends us spiralling towards those things. Can therapists change those things for us?

I guess drugs are introduced sometimes to create a sense of being able to cope. Then, life's rewards are presumably supposed to pick up the slack.

I have these different feelings towards therapy I suppose. On the one hand, I think it is presented as a kind of 'fix all' cure, when I think the reality is- the lion's share of effort will need to come from the patient. I wonder if it's sometimes doomed to fail from the start with some people.

I actually think it's unreasonable for us to go in and effectively expect them to 'fix' us. I wonder if it's even possible for some people. If an addict doesn't really see the point in quitting- will they ultimately? If someone with social anxiety refuses to be around people, how can they ever be cured?

I suppose I feel like we should stop being presented with mental healthcare as some fix- all solution. Not that I'm against trying it of course. But, maybe it's also unreasonable for some of us to expect to magically be 'fixed'. If, deep down we have such strong motivations to harm ourselves- effectively.

Would it be more helpful to view it in terms of something that can be helpful only if we are truly intent on recovery? But then, maybe that's untrue. I suppose any assistance it can bring in coping with life must be a good thing.
A couple of reactions.

First... mental health issues are often like chronic health conditions...say diabetes or arthritis. The treatment doesn't fix them, nor does it fix us. But it might improve things somewhat, make the quality of life better, etc.

Second, sometimes what is wrong with us is outside circumstances. I don't see how therapy and medication could ever help my situation. Maybe better than nothing but...

Maybe some of the worlds problems are just bigger than therapy
 

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