Do you support the death penalty?

[resolutory]

I don't mean in a suicidal way, for clarification. As in, I don't want people to vote because they want to use it to CTB (That's the reason I posted this in Offtopic).

I just mean in general, in principle, do you support the death penalty?

Was just curious to see whether there's a correlation between supporting the right to die and supporting the death penalty being a punishment by the justice system.

 

[wantittoendsoon]

I don't mean in a suicidal way, for clarification. As in, I don't want people to vote because they want to use it to CTB (That's the reason I posted this in Offtopic).

I just mean in general, in principle, do you support the death penalty?

Was just curious to see whether there's a correlation between supporting the right to die and supporting the death penalty being a punishment by the justice system.


I think the death penalty is too good for those that would otherwise be subject to it. Like most people here I imagine that we don't see it as a penalty at all...life in prison would be worse for me.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I believe in the right to die. I have doubts about the death penalty. I worry about wrongful conviction. Plus- if criminals have a preferance- I suspect it may strongly influence how they plead. If they want to avoid death- they'll plead 'not guilty'- in which case- the case would need to be water tight I imagine. Plus, families may never get closure. If they want the death penalty- perhaps they'll confess to things they haven't done and the real perpetrator's might walk free. Maybe I'm wrong though. I'm UK based- there hasn't been an execution here in my living memory.

It's hard to say really. Some crimes are just so utterly horrific- you think the perpetrators deserve to suffer. Still- maybe it's worse for them to be kept alive. Prison can't be all that fun. Not that they probably have much of a conscience though- if they're a psychopath.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I live in a death penalty state. I don't support it.

I support right to die as long as there are certain safeguards.

 

[epic]

"Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." ― Adam Smith

Pro death penalty for murder but case has to be water tight and background should be taken into consideration.
Asking the question about "right to die" here is like asking if the sky is blue and the grass green lol .

 

[wantittoendsoon]

I think the death penalty is too good for those that would otherwise be subject to it. Like most people here I imagine that we don't see it as a penalty at all...life in prison would be worse for me.

 

[Rainy_days]

In heinous cases with obvious guilt I feel like yeah, why should such a person be kept alive to live like an animal? But yeah the reality is a lot messier for the reasons Forever Sleep said. I also think if they do use the death penalty, they should bring back things like guillotine or firing squad rather than these things like injection or electric chair, which seem to fail too often for comfort even if they pander to our squeamishness.

 

[Ringo]

From a pragmatic point of view, yes, because I don't want my taxes to be directed to keeping an undesirable alive until they finish rotting in their cell, I don't see it as optimal when that money can be invested in better things, there are horrifying cases, irrecoverable people who were capable of frightfully ruin or end the lives of their victims in a premeditated and conscious way. But I don't think death penalty it's something applicable in most of the world since we would require institutions as clean and organized as possible to reduce as much as we can the tragedy that involves an innocent condemned to death, not to mention the endless strict protocols that these processes require, these things don't abound, even in countries considered socially developed there have been many cases of partiality that lead to what can be described as arbitrary penalties.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

From a pragmatic point of view, yes, because I don't want my taxes to be directed to keeping an undesirable alive until they finish rotting in their cell, I don't see it as optimal when that money can be invested in better things, there are horrifying cases, irrecoverable people who were capable of frightfully ruin or end the lives of their victims in a premeditated and conscious way. But I don't think death penalty it's something applicable in most of the world since we would require institutions as clean and organized as possible to reduce as much as we can the tragedy that involves an innocent condemned to death, not to mention the endless strict protocols that these processes require, these things don't abound, even in countries considered socially developed there have been many cases of partiality that lead to what can be described as arbitrary penalties.

Idk what country you're in but in America it actually costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life. The appeals process they go through is crazy expensive.

https://www.aclu.org/other/death-penalty-101

The Death Penalty Cost More than Life in Prison:
Prosecuting a death penalty case is extremely expensive for a state and drains money that could be used for education and social programs. Capital punishment costs more than sentencing a prisoner to life without parole. The most comprehensive death penalty study in the country found that the death penalty cost North Carolina $2.16 million more per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of these costs occur at the trial level. In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70 percent more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases, including the costs of incarceration.

 

[narval]

Yes, i support the DP. There is people that doesn't deserves to live in society. Leting them die in jail is a waste of resources and a lack of benefits. Yes, i know, in united states is cheaper to let them in jail forever. It should not be like that.

Plan B: someone said medical research with them as test subjects?

 

[NumbItAll]

I don't really know what the death penalty accomplishes other than making people feel better, like somehow "justice" was served. Even if someone is a mass murderer, killing that person will not bring back the victims. On top of that, I don't trust the legal system to always implement it fairly, as wrongful executions are definitely a thing. For those reasons, I have to oppose the death penalty from a pragmatic standpoint. I am of course pro-choice when it comes to the right to die.

 

[Dead Ghost]

The death penalty denies you the right to decide for yourself whether you want to live or die, so I will always oppose it. I am pro-choice and this means that no one should be able to end your life but you.

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La pena de mort et nega a decidir per tu mateix si vols viure o morir, per tant sempre m'hi oposaré. Sóc pro-elecció i això vol dir que ningú hauría de poder posar fi a la teva vida excepte tu.

 

[Damnation]

I almost hate saying it but I think it should be the prisoner's choice. I feel for victims and their families, and there would be a certain level of irony to giving people who are often on death-row for murder the choice to live or die, but unfortunately, there's some evidence that the death penalty doesn't provide as much closure as you might expect.

In my opinion it'd be more productive to research the kind of people who end up on death-row and really make an effort to work on reform and prevention. Too many murderers have a history of mental health issues that were often ignored. To me, crime is yet another symptom of a broken mental health system. Not saying mental illness is always the cause or that crime can ever be fully prevented, just... pointing out a pattern.

Too bad it's only given in extraordinary circumstances. Might be an interesting way to go out.

 

[odradek]

I support the right to die with common sense safeguards.

I don't support the death penalty and I always think of this Gandalf quote when it's mentioned:

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Death for murderers that want to live. Life in prison for murderers that want to die and are depressed.

 

[jodes2]

If a person gets life in prison, they should have the right to die. It's the decent thing to do. It also gets rid of a problem. Less money spent on prisons

 

[western_heart]

I am opposed to killing others, and also don't trust a state or any judicial system to make fair decisions over whether someone should be killed as punishment for a crime.

Most people in prison should not be there. But I think prisoners should be offered the option of assisted suicide.

 

[Rapière]

I don't really know what the death penalty accomplishes other than making people feel better, like somehow "justice" was served

It's not about justice, it's about revenge- a primitive, tribal drive that we all carry deep within us. In fact, the first written code of law in ancient greece, the infamous Draconian Law, was there to put at least some restraint on the brutality of the punishments carried out by rhe aristocracy against the peasantry. Back then, you could easily get tortured to death for stealing a chicken.

Here lies also the origin of the idea that you can 'pay' for a crime with your own blood, because peasants had no other means to repay their debt to the aristocrats.

 

[NumbItAll]

It's not about justice, it's about revenge- a primitive, tribal drive that we all carry deep within us. In fact, the first written code of law in ancient greece, the infamous Draconian Law, was there to put at least some restraint on the brutality of the punishments carried out by rhe aristocracy against the peasantry. Back then, you could easily get tortured to death for stealing a chicken.

Here lies also the origin of the idea that you can 'pay' for a crime with your own blood, because peasants had no other means to repay their debt to the aristocrats.

Yes I think that is pretty much what it comes down to. I just don't see how it is helpful though. I seem to not be a very vengeful person I guess.

 

[Rapière]

Yes I think that is pretty much what it comes down to. I just don't see how it is helpful though. I seem to not be a very vengeful person I guess.

Me neither. I mean, I used to be, but now that I don't believe in free will anymore, it just feels wrong and pointless.

 

[Wannagonow]

I absolutely believe in the death penalty. I don't care how much money it costs, I don't care what the murderer wants, nor should there be allowed 30 years of appeals. (I do agree there must be concrete, irreversible proof of guilt- as much as is possible).

Here it comes- until you have an innocent, close member of your family violently murdered and dumped in a landfill, maybe you're unable to see the other side of the coin.

It was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt this man murdered my family member. I'd rather not say how they proved it. But they did.

Sorry to have rambled on. We all have our own thoughts on this. It's an age-old discussion. I absolutely respect the many reasons we all have different views. Thanks for letting me explain mine.

 

[theboy]

nah
the worst torture is to live in prison. death is a gift.

 

[CTB Dream]

No support barbria herd mentality, this only part cruelty human do kill each revenge, awful species. Govt scum death pen scum prac species scum, govt force kill force live this awful no choice , never trust species group

 

[jan_Seli]

In principle I don't see anything wrong with someone being killed for truly heinous crimes, but I don't trust our systems to get it right. If you put someone behind bars for 10 years before you realize he didn't really do it you can at least hypothetically pay them recompense for it. If you kill them, that's it, there's no going back.

 

[Source Energy]

Both. For people who commit heinous crimes, death would be a deterrent. If prison time is not enough, if they are being let out with a slap on the wrist ( I'm in NYC and it is full of thugs arrested 30-40 times), then a harsh punishment is needed to prevent them for hurting others. I consider death a too easy punishment, but not everyone wants to die, and most people are scared of it, so yes, bring back death penalty. Cleanse up the earth of scum. And the right to die, what can I say? Anyone, anytime should have it. Nembutal should be sold in pharmacies, without prescription.

 

[TransilvanianHunger]

Not going to lie, it's quite frankly baffling to see people rationalising and supporting the violation of someone's bodily autonomy by the state, and at the same time arguing that their bodily autonomy should be respected, including the right to die. Forcing someone to stay alive and forcibly ending someone's life are not even two sides of the same coin, they're the exact same thing framed in two different ways.

This obsession with punishment and retribution is borderline fetishistic, and I wish we could move past it as a species.

 

[TransMagical]

Death penalty has to be circumstantial, only for really bad people. And it should be administer'd with in 2 months of the sentence