Do any of the countries with progressive euthanasia policies..?

[Walilamdzi]

Do any of the countries with progressive euthanasia policies allow applications from foreigners? Belgium, Netherlands, maybe?

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

I think you have to be on our healthcare system and have a green card. Not sure.

 

[Walilamdzi]

@AnnihilatedAnna Netherlands?

I wonder how this worked with the case of David Goodall in Belgium... he travelled from Australia.

 

[camille]

Euthanasia is murder and not having anything to do with suicide, so am shocked it being mentioned in this forum where I am member

 

[deflagrat]

Ignoring Camille, the main problem is the language. If you had money to travel to those countries and explain your situation it should be possible for you to die there as long as you are from Europe. The swiss option is pretty expensive, I wouldn't waste such a big amount of money unless the money wasn't mine.

 

[Jolene40]

I guess you are thinking of a scenario other than Dignitas? I am from u.k and have applied to Dignitas. Yes it is disgustingly priced too. I am begging for a concession.
Im curious how it would work if it were doctor assisted dying in a country where legal.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Euthanasia is murder and not having anything to do with suicide, so am shocked it being mentioned in this forum where I am member

Sorry but your remark makes no sense. Euthanasia is the assisting someone making a rational choice to end his or her life - it's not murder any more than an individual who terminates their own life by themselves.

 

[NextSummer]

No, it's not open for foreigners. Even Dutch people living in a foreign country can't have that service. You have to have the passport and be a resident. Only swiss allow foreigners for euthanasia.

 

[camille]

Sorry but your remark makes no sense. Euthanasia is the assisting someone making a rational choice to end his or her life - it's not murder any more than an individual who terminates their own life by themselves.

What I learned as being Euthanasia programs --- is the killing --- in their own words --- CLEANING the society of unproductive - ill elements --- synonymous - like in a body - killing the "cancer cells" - in the mind of the psychiatrist teachings ---- after Nazis (national party) came to power, the psychiatry had received support and free hand to start killing the "CANCER" of the society.

This is how they called it in their own words. These had been in their eyes all gays, transgender, mental and jews.

Euthanasia programs began in mental hospitals , later big concentration camps had been built. This thinking was growing with the industrial revolution. It continued even after second world war in mental hospitals by starvation and drugging.

These are very dark aspects and most people don't want to talk about these, but important. I am very sensitive and aware to this and I am transgender myself.

 

[Walilamdzi]

@camille Hi, those things are terrible. I suppose maybe what I'm intending to reference is physician assisted suicide. I do fall into one of the categories that you mention, so completely see why that is a problem. I am against any type of fascism, but given that I want self-euthanasia to be an option for me, I don't have a problem with the word.

The term self-euthanasia is often referred to to distinguish between impulsive / violent suicides, and suicides that either mimic the methods of euthanasia, for instance suicide using pentobarbital or cases where someone has managed to get a physician assisted suicide.

I thought the Nazis called it cleansing? Like ethnic cleansing and other abhorrent practices...

Euthanasia most often refers to a choice made by terminally ill patients to end their life when they want.

 

[headinghome]

Euthanasia is murder and not having anything to do with suicide, so am shocked it being mentioned in this forum where I am member

what????

 

[camille]

Yes they also call it CLEANSING.... it is very difficult aspect and for their own mind they think to them-self:

WE DO THEM A FAVOIR OF ELIMINATING THEM BECAUSE THEIR LIVE IS ANYWAY A MISERY

This is how human mind is doing justification of their own action ... in thinking of doing something good to the "suspects" and also for "society". You need to know that all these were not like -- monsters -- but humans and they also have families and have been loving parents to their kids.

That's reason why am so getting sensitive, call it other word like assisted suicide because... I feel not comfortable with the word. SORRYY. but so I feeel.

 

[Walilamdzi]

@deflagrat Language barrier shouldn't be a problem in a lot of those, most of the population speak fluent English. It is far too expensive. Do you think they have such a prohibitive price to prevent the argument that people are choosing it on a whim? Like if it was very cheap, maybe there would be more of a backlash, because of the opponents of euthanasia?

@Jolene40 I think Dignitas specifies that you have to have a terminal illness, or maybe has other stipulations too? How is your application going?

@ManWithNoName Thanks for putting that like that, I couldn't think of how I would define it but I'd define it how you did!

@NextSummer Bummer. I can understand why though, I guess.

 

[deflagrat]

@deflagrat Language barrier shouldn't be a problem in a lot of those, most of the population speak fluent English. It is far too expensive. Do you think they have such a prohibitive price to prevent the argument that people are choosing it on a whim? Like if it was very cheap, maybe there would be more of a backlash, because of the opponents of euthanasia?

They don't speak English. Belgium speaks Dutch, French, and German. The Netherlands speaks Dutch too. Unless you speak those languages, you won't be able to communicate with doctors. English is not a common language in Europe.

 

[Walilamdzi]

@deflagrat That just isn't true, I've been to the Netherlands many times and apart from in the rural places, people speak English... 94 percent of Dutch people apparently! I was even hospitalised there, and they treated me in English.

Change of subject, I was reading your thing - I can speak Spanish. I haven't practiced for quite a while but I dedicated a lot of time to learning.

 

[markg109]

@deflagrat That just isn't true, I've been to the Netherlands many times and apart from in the rural places, people speak English... 94 percent of Dutch people apparently! I was even hospitalised there, and they treated me in English.

Change of subject, I was reading your thing - I can speak Spanish. I haven't practiced for quite a while but I dedicated a lot of time to learning.

I agree, I spent time in Amsterdam And English was spoken almost exclusively.

 

[Ruffian]

What I learned as being Euthanasia programs --- is the killing --- in their own words --- CLEANING the society of unproductive - ill elements --- synonymous - like in a body - killing the "cancer cells" - in the mind of the psychiatrist teachings ---- after Nazis (national party) came to power, the psychiatry had received support and free hand to start killing the "CANCER" of the society.

This is how they called it in their own words. These had been in their eyes all gays, transgender, mental and jews.

Euthanasia programs began in mental hospitals , later big concentration camps had been built. This thinking was growing with the industrial revolution. It continued even after second world war in mental hospitals by starvation and drugging.

These are very dark aspects and most people don't want to talk about these, but important. I am very sensitive and aware to this and I am transgender myself.

I believe that's called Genocide.

 

[camille]

I believe that's called Genocide.

Euthanasie programm is a medical act - eliminating of "Lebensunwertes Leben" - through dirty to do but in duty for the nation and eliminating "bad" gene pool... that was in their mind.

It was first started with making them infertile - later psychiatry introduced killings.

The word - genocide - is focusing on eliminating an ethicity or religios group - ethnic cleansing - like happened in Jugoslawia 1993.

 

[lululoo]

Euthanasie programm is a medical act - eliminating of "Lebensunwertes Leben" - through dirty to do but in duty for the nation. And eliminating "bad" gene pool. This was their mind.

It was first started with making them infertile - later psychiatry introduced killings.

The word - genocide - is focusing on eliminating an ethicity or religios group - ethnic cleansing - like happened in Jugoslawia 1993.

I think you mean eugenics, not euthanasia.

 

[Final Escape]

Euthanasia is murder and not having anything to do with suicide, so am shocked it being mentioned in this forum where I am member

Yea we know it's murder but when there's few alternatives to have a decent life quality it becomes very appealing.

 

[ManWithNoName]

No, it's not open for foreigners. Even Dutch people living in a foreign country can't have that service. You have to have the passport and be a resident. Only swiss allow foreigners for euthanasia.

And it is my understanding (and I could be wrong) that one must be dying of a terminal illness, AND must be able to prove it with medical records.

 

[NextSummer]

And it is my understanding (and I could be wrong) that one must be dying of a terminal illness, AND must be able to prove it with medical records.

Terminal illness is not necessary in the Netherlands. You just have to suffer - including psychological illnesses against no therapy will work. Here for example is a documentary about a woman who got dementia. She said, she wants to be dead rather her not remembering her surroundings (she said it when she was clear in mind). Last five minutes

 

[Idorus]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...n-how-i-die-securing-my-destiny-future.13359/

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

What I learned as being Euthanasia programs --- is the killing --- in their own words --- CLEANING the society of unproductive - ill elements --- synonymous - like in a body - killing the "cancer cells" - in the mind of the psychiatrist teachings ---- after Nazis (national party) came to power, the psychiatry had received support and free hand to start killing the "CANCER" of the society.

This is how they called it in their own words. These had been in their eyes all gays, transgender, mental and jews.

Euthanasia programs began in mental hospitals , later big concentration camps had been built. This thinking was growing with the industrial revolution. It continued even after second world war in mental hospitals by starvation and drugging.

These are very dark aspects and most people don't want to talk about these, but important. I am very sensitive and aware to this and I am transgender myself.

Those were the nazis that called that. And that wasn't euthanasia. The nazis did that because they believed that the Jews were stealing their job opportunities and blamed them for the trashed German economy back in the day. The liter definition of euthanasia is "the painless killing of a patient suffering from an incurable and painful disease or an irreversible coma".

What the nazis did was far from peaceful. They MURDERED them. Not euthanized them. The nazis stuck them in gas chambers, performed experiments on them, point blank shot them in the head. These were people that did not want to die. People who want euthanasia, want to end there lives so to don't have to feel the pain anymore.

There is a huge difference between them. Please confuse them never again.

 

[Alan James]

eliminating "bad" gene pool .

I'am one of bad gene pool and I dream of being euthanized almost all my life. I would give everything that I have for it - but I have nothing. This is necessary and right. People with bad genes are doomed to lifelong suffering without a chance for a cure and without any hope. Everyone must have the choice to live or not live. It is also a natural selection, my genes must disappear without a trace .

 

[Mstrflshr]

In the Netherlands you can get it only if you can prove you are suffering. If that means something like depression instead of terminal decease, you first have to be diagnosed and be deemed untreatable. Then they will take their first LOOK at the case. All this is not exactly easy.

 

[camille]

Those were the nazis that called that. And that wasn't euthanasia. The nazis did that because they believed that the Jews were stealing their job opportunities and blamed them for the trashed German economy back in the day. The liter definition of euthanasia is "the painless killing of a patient suffering from an incurable and painful disease or an irreversible coma".

What the nazis did was far from peaceful. They MURDERED them. Not euthanized them. The nazis stuck them in gas chambers, performed experiments on them, point blank shot them in the head. These were people that did not want to die. People who want euthanasia, want to end there lives so to don't have to feel the pain anymore.

There is a huge difference between them. Please confuse them never again.

They called it Euthanasie Programme and did speak about "Euthanasia". They showed us many original documents in school and am living in Germany, even been to a concentration camp.

I do not confuse it - take respect on this topic - it makes me feel upset. Even writing about these things , makes me feel so sad. I can not discuss this.

Those labelled as mental or an "illness" (that included the jews) have lost the right to say what is -- good -- for them, so doctors did decide what is "good" for them. "Euthanasing" in gas chambers was considered an effective, peaceful and compassionate way. There have been even mobile gas chambers in a bus.

Human experiments continued even after WWII in closed world of psychiatry as some US psychiatrist have been considered huge fans of these experiments and their European colleagues.

I'am one of bad gene pool and I dream of being euthanized almost all my life. I would give everything that I have for it - but I have nothing. This is necessary and right. People with bad genes are doomed to lifelong suffering without a chance for a cure and without any hope. Everyone must have the choice to live or not live. It is also a natural selection, my genes must disappear without a trace .

God made you perfect how you are... there are no bad genes... and genes are constantly changing and a way of communication protocol. In other thinking - there is a place for every human on earth to live and be happy - just the way he is.

Please don't take the thinking and mind of evil people of this world or of these bad things --- they are the ones suffering most and in need of destroying other people lives. They had and have absolute no love in themself --- and been ulgy inside - outside.

 

[NextSummer]

They called it Euthanasie Programme and did speak about "Euthanasia". They showed us many original documents in school and am living in Germany, even been to a concentration camp.

I do not confuse it - take respect on this topic - it makes me feel upset. Even writing about these things , makes me feel so sad. I can not discuss this.

Those labelled as mental or an "illness" (that included the jews) have lost the right to say what is -- good -- for them, so doctors did decide what is "good" for them. "Euthanasing" in gas chambers was considered an effective, peaceful and compassionate way. There have been even mobile gas chambers in a bus.

Human experiments continued even after WWII in closed world of psychiatry as some US psychiatrist have been considered huge fans of these experiments and their European colleagues.


God made you perfect how you are... there are no bad genes... and genes are constantly changing and a way of communication protocol. In other thinking - there is a place for every human on earth to live and be happy - just the way he is.

Please don't take the thinking and mind of evil people of this world or of these bad things --- they are the ones suffering most and in need of destroying other people lives. They had and have absolute no love in themself --- and been ulgy inside - outside.

Euthanasia literally means "good death" and it's used in the sense of ending suffering by ending life. In Germany it has a different meaning (because of it's history), it refers to the actions by Nazis who killed everybody who THEY deemed unworthy. So totally different things. I am from Germany too and I don't have any problem with the word in the real meaning.

 

[headinghome]

And it is my understanding (and I could be wrong) that one must be dying of a terminal illness, AND must be able to prove it with medical records.

there is one case where the woman was depressed for years and was able to be approved for assisted suicide....she had many years of suffering with nothing helpful in terms of medical intervention....and this should be the way it is is all countries....woke up in complete desperation this morning....crying and begging to die....trying not to let my husband hear...no one understands the depths of my depression and hopelessness....the bottom line is maybe I don't have a terminal disease and maybe I can hobble around but
I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THIS COMPROMISED PHYSICAL CONDITION!!!!! FUCK!!!!!! I can't do all the things I loved...why am I being tortured like this??? Do you think I am choosing to die as a game??? Because I don't feel like living???? Oh my god....if you have your health and can walk please live.....if you only knew how awful being physically compromised is you would be shocked and at least try to live...
oh my god....I am suffering beyond belief.....I just want to die.....

 

[martha]

Euthanasia is murder and not having anything to do with suicide, so am shocked it being mentioned in this forum where I am member

you can interprete "euthanasia" in diverse ways.
it could be also seen as an easement of achieving relief through the help of pain subliming methods by narcotic substances.
The word comes from the ancient Greek eu (for "good " and "beautiful") and thanatos (for "death").
Unfortunetely the word "euthanasia" was abused in the Nazi Propaganda terminology in a cynical and terrible way to describe the crime of killing the so called "unworthy" lives of hundreds of thousands of people.
So it´s better to talk about "assisted suicide", which means to provide the possibility of a self chosen, dignified and painless way to terminate one´s life.
Excuse me for repeating things that have been mentioned in the comments above.