Help Diazepam and N- PLEASE reassure me :(

[xLosthopex]

I know I've literally asked this exact thing on here before but I really need reassurance pleaseeeee I take diazepam like 2-3x a day and it's one of the only things helping me cope at all rn, I think I'm going to be catching my bus relatively soon and I know it's recommended to come off benzos at least 2 weeks prior to taking N(my method) but I just really don't want my final 2 weeks on this earth to be made even worse because of needing to stop taking my diazepam.
I have 2x bottles of N from A, I am also female and very underweight… is the risk of not succeeding with N really that significant while being on benzos ??!! Please someone reassure me it will still work!?? I really just want to stay on them before taking my N so I can make the most of my final few weeks of this life

 

[checkouttime]

In the PPH it is reported as the ONLY failures they have seen are to do with medical intervention i.e being FOUND

the mention of chronic heavy alcohol use and use of anti psychotic , is mentioned alongside people who may suffer from the prolonged comatose phase (upto 24 hrs), It says something about both them cases can have an effect on liver enzymes which causes the degradation of Nembutal. so Two bottles are recommended. but it DOESN'T mention anything about failure, just it might take longer.

 

[xLosthopex]

In the PPH it is reported as the ONLY failures they have seen are to do with medical intervention i.e being FOUND

the mention of chronic heavy alcohol use and use of anti psychotic , is mentioned alongside people who may suffer from the prolonged comatose phase (upto 24 hrs), It says something about both them cases can have an effect on liver enzymes which causes the degradation of Nembutal. so Two bottles are recommended. but it DOESN'T mention anything about failure, just it might take longer.

Thank you so much for this info

 

[checkouttime]

Thank you so much for this info

your welcome, thats what i got from the PPH.

 

[Fragile]

It's impossible to tell for absolute certain. This has a lot of variables that are hard to predict, it depends on your dose, how long have you been taking it, other drugs and habits that may interact with N, etc. There's also the fact that almost every person's body builds tolerance in slightly different ways.

Still, Diazepam is one of the benzos with the longest half life, but also one of the easiest to tapper off, so if you are worried about tolerance you may consider lowering your dose for a couple of months or so. I know from first hand that it's incredibly hard to start this process with a substance that helps with your mood, but it's something to consider if you want to make sure.

 

[Wrennie]

It's impossible to tell for absolute certain. This has a lot of variables that are hard to predict, it depends on your dose, how long have you been taking it, other drugs and habits that may interact with N, etc. There's also the fact that almost every person's body builds tolerance in slightly different ways.

Still, Diazepam is one of the benzos with the longest half life, but also one of the easiest to tapper off, so if you are worried about tolerance you may consider lowering your dose for a couple of months or so. I know from first hand that it's incredibly hard to start this process with a substance that helps with your mood, but it's something to consider if you want to make sure.

I never knew that Benzodiazepine use could interfere with N; only antipsychotic use.

Would the daily 3 mg of Klonopin I've been taking for about two months potentially put me at risk? Should I consider tapering as well?

 

[Weary Soul]

Benzodiazipines are not antipsychotics, they are tranquilizers/anxiolytics. I am sorry, xLosthopex, what @Fragile wrote is very much on target.

 

[Fragile]

I never knew that Benzodiazepine use could interfere with N; only antipsychotic use.

Would the daily 3 mg of Klonopin I've been taking for about two months potentially put me at risk? Should I consider tapering as well?

It's hard to tell.

There is definitely cross-tolerance when it comes to barbiturates and benzodiazepines, same with alcohol and other drugs that interact with the GABA neurotransmitter, it can also happen with many other substances that don't necessarily have a direct interaction with it. The PPH clearly mentions Heavy and chronic use of alcohol as something that can interfere with N, but they don't mention what specifically they meant by "heavy and chronic". there's no mention of units of alcohol or even a timeframe, not even about the ages or gender of the patients.

But what I can tell you is that, although your use of clonazepam is not even close to chronic or even heavy by the standards of actual addicts, you are close to the three month mark (which is often described in medical literature as long term use, still not chronic tho).

I wouldn't worry too much if I were you, but it's not a bad idea to tapper off anyway, to avoid complications and whatnot. Even if you don't necessarily plan to go through with it, it's definitely a good idea to avoid getting a long-term addiction to benzos in general, and you are not too deep into it.
It's literally nightmarish to get off them at the chronic-abuse point, the drugs themselves may not be as harmful as say, heroin, which is known to have suicide-inducing whitdrawals, but even those pale in comparison to the ones that benzos may give you.

 

[checkouttime]

It's hard to tell.

There is definitely cross-tolerance when it comes to barbiturates and benzodiazepines, same with alcohol and other drugs that interact with the GABA neurotransmitter, it can also happen with many other substances that don't necessarily have a direct interaction with it. The PPH clearly mentions Heavy and chronic use of alcohol as something that can interfere with N, but they don't mention what specifically they meant by "heavy and chronic". there's no mention of units of alcohol or even a timeframe, not even about the ages or gender of the patients.

But what I can tell you is that, although your use of clonazepam is not even close to chronic or even heavy by the standards of actual addicts, you are close to the three month mark (which is often described in medical literature as long term use, still not chronic tho).

I wouldn't worry too much if I were you, but it's not a bad idea to tapper off anyway, to avoid complications and whatnot. Even if you don't necessarily plan to go through with it, it's definitely a good idea to avoid getting a long-term addiction to benzos in general, and you are not too deep into it.
It's literally nightmarish to get off them at the chronic-abuse point, the drugs themselves may not be as harmful as say, heroin, which is known to have suicide-inducing whitdrawals, but even those pale in comparison to the ones that benzos may give you.

I was thinking the same think about the use of 'heavy and chronic' and what they meant. I mean i drink everyday about 4 pints, i wouldn't class that as heavy, but on the other hand i could see anything ABOVE the recommended units per week being classified as heavy use by some!!! best to have the 2 bottles i guess, as it doesn't mention it causing failure, just a longer comatose phase!!!

 

[Wrennie]

It's hard to tell.

There is definitely cross-tolerance when it comes to barbiturates and benzodiazepines, same with alcohol and other drugs that interact with the GABA neurotransmitter, it can also happen with many other substances that don't necessarily have a direct interaction with it. The PPH clearly mentions Heavy and chronic use of alcohol as something that can interfere with N, but they don't mention what specifically they meant by "heavy and chronic". there's no mention of units of alcohol or even a timeframe, not even about the ages or gender of the patients.

But what I can tell you is that, although your use of clonazepam is not even close to chronic or even heavy by the standards of actual addicts, you are close to the three month mark (which is often described in medical literature as long term use, still not chronic tho).

I wouldn't worry too much if I were you, but it's not a bad idea to tapper off anyway, to avoid complications and whatnot. Even if you don't necessarily plan to go through with it, it's definitely a good idea to avoid getting a long-term addiction to benzos in general, and you are not too deep into it.
It's literally nightmarish to get off them at the chronic-abuse point, the drugs themselves may not be as harmful as say, heroin, which is known to have suicide-inducing whitdrawals, but even those pale in comparison to the ones that benzos may give you.

Thank you for the boatload of useful information. I will definitely factor this into my plan to take N. The only problem I have with tapering off of Klonopin is that it combats the myoclonic side effects of Gabapentin (which I take for nerve damage from surgery) and it also helps to "calm down" my overactive CNS and to stop it from exerting its harmful effects upon my entire body. I had Lyme disease and PANDAS so my central nervous system has sustained serious damage (hence why I want to CTB). I don't know if I will be capable of tolerating the physical pain that ensues upon cessation of it.

 

[peacefulhorizons]

This thread from last year has some comments and discussion about drug cross-tolerance (including benzos): https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/fentanyl-nembutal-and-whats-in-between.37396/

 

[camus44]

Wow - this is what's been on my mind too, in a different way.

I've got 2 bottles of N from A. I was thinking of taking 100mg of Diazepam before swallowing the N, because both are respiratory suppressants.

I thought they would work together.

Is this a really bad idea?