Debate me

[callmeskin]

I really like debating so i want to start a debate on the question : Do you think SaSu is doing more harm than good?

Doesn't matter if you disagree or agree just swy whatever argument you'd like to raise and let others debate
I'll start
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Removing sanctioned suicide websites does not prevent suicide; it removes regulation. When regulated platforms are banned, individuals turn to unmoderated spaces where misinformation and harm are more likely.

There is no evidence that regulated access to information causes increased suicide rates. Access is not promotion. The relevant policy comparison is regulated transparency versus unregulated secrecy, and harm reduction frameworks consistently favor regulation.

This debate is about outcomes, not discomfort. Suicide exists regardless of censorship. Sanctioned platforms introduce oversight, safeguards, and intervention where none would otherwise exist. From a public health perspective, regulation reduces harm more effectively than prohibition.

Therefore, SaSu though imperfect do more good than harm.

 

[bipolar22]

well as i see it it does more bad than good. remember we aren't here to have a good life in a field of sunflowers. we are property. labor. so when on of us dies when they could have worked for more years that's a loss for the government. they much rather have uninformed suicidal people who drink bleach and survive and go back to their job eventually maybe. but if your using highly researched methods they loose revenue. so SSS is good for members to learn to get their methods right but overall its against the system hence they try to keep shutting it down. let a lot as it become more popular. now more wage slaves opt to get out. now the government needs to stop this. so to come back to you point its good for us . some of us. bad overall for the system the owners the narcissist scumbags

 

[metfan647]

I'm not invested in a debate but I'd say it's a marginally useful space from some perspectives. I.e. getting free access to resources. Having a safe space to vent where there seems to be a lot of tolerance regardless of one's background etc. One can (albeit infrequently) have the joy of reading a well-thought and rationale thread.

However, my use of the forum has become a little bit compulsive. It is my 'go to' website when I first pick up my phone. I refresh for new posts or threads. The very fact I am now doing that on a suicide forum is at the very lower end of the spectrum highly unproductive and at the higher end extremely detrimental to any chances of recovery. My use of this forum firmly cements suicide in my subconscious mind even if I'm in a relatively good place.

Further, I didn't know about the types of lethal means readily available before joining here. Would that though make me more likely to ctb or expedite that desire? Not per se, as I always had a 'traditional' method but it's the never-ending exposure to the same set of themes that is probably most damaging.

There are the more fundamental issues with the forum like biased and impetuous moderation by not always very rationale individuals, dubious origins of the site and the inherent risks that vulnerable users may face. There's also a fair bit of trolling going on masquerading as a jocular posting style.

 

[Always-in-trouble]

I'm not invested in a debate but I'd say it's a marginally useful space from some perspectives. I.e. getting free access to resources. Having a safe space to vent where there seems to be a lot of tolerance regardless of one's background etc. One can (albeit infrequently) have the joy of reading a well-thought and rationale thread.

However, my use of the forum has become a little bit compulsive. It is my 'go to' website when I first pick up my phone. I refresh for new posts or threads. The very fact I am now doing that on a suicide forum is at the very lower end of the spectrum highly unproductive and at the higher end extremely detrimental to any chances of recovery. My use of this forum firmly cements suicide in my subconscious mind even if I'm in a relatively good place.

Further, I didn't know about the types of lethal means readily available before joining here. Would that though make me more likely to ctb or expedite that desire? Not per se, as I always had a 'traditional' method but it's the never-ending exposure to the same set of themes that is probably most damaging.

There are the more fundamental issues with the forum like biased and impetuous moderation by not always very rationale individuals, dubious origins of the site and the inherent risks that vulnerable users may face. There's also a fair bit of trolling going on masquerading as a jocular posting style.

Same thing. Was relatively more stable with suicidal ideations until I found this site. It was probably an inevitability though. Also, is trolling really that common, or rather accounts that only exist to troll and not one-off quips in a thread?

 

[thelostautistic]

This is a really interesting conversation. I feel like this forum does good but equally does a lot of harm. On one hand I like having a space where I can speak openly about how I feel without judgement. I can't talk to people in real life about my suicidal ideation. I no longer trust mental health professionals and I won't confide in friends and family. Everyone says to speak up but when it actually comes down to it nobody wants to hear it. It's different on the forum. Discussion about suicide doesn't feel like a taboo here and I find that comforting and I'm grateful for it.

But at the same time the forum has also provided me with resources to end my life. If I had never sought out this forum I wouldn't have known anything about SN and how to obtain it. I have placed my order and I'm waiting for it to arrive. This is forum is helping me and harming me at the same time. Two things can be true at once.

 

[Tobacco]

This is a place to have very honest life difficulty and mental health discussions.

 

[callmeskin]

well as i see it it does more bad than good. remember we aren't here to have a good life in a field of sunflowers. we are property. labor. so when on of us dies when they could have worked for more years that's a loss for the government. they much rather have uninformed suicidal people who drink bleach and survive and go back to their job eventually maybe. but if your using highly researched methods they loose revenue. so SSS is good for members to learn to get their methods right but overall its against the system hence they try to keep shutting it down. let a lot as it become more popular. now more wage slaves opt to get out. now the government needs to stop this. so to come back to you point its good for us . some of us. bad overall for the system the owners the narcissist scumbags

i agree to some extent
Burnout, addiction, and slow decline are tolerated because people still work, pay rent, and generate profit. What gets shut down isn't harm it's anything that exposes the lie that this is about "care."

This isn't compassion, it's risk management. A system that truly valued life wouldn't make living feel unbearable in the first place.
You don't fix despair by censoring it.
You fix it by making life worth living