KillingPain267
Specialist
- Apr 15, 2024
- 330
... so I don't get the point in waiting for "nature" to slowly kill you like a vicious animal.
Look at this study:
Some highlights:
"In 1963, when Hinton looked at deaths in general wards, he found widespread distress. Thirty-four years later the SUPPORT study in the USA yielded very similar findings: despite great advances in palliative care in the intervening period, many dying patients were still troubled by pain and other symptoms."
For elderly people "The 'dying trajectory' may last longer, and awareness may be clouded by cognitive dysfunction. Exton-Smith found that 41% of the elderly patients in his study of dying people were delirious at the time of death."
"Sherwin Nuland, an American surgeon, has made the point that death in old age is often a protracted affair, rather than a clear-cut process that can allow patients and those bereaved to go through the classic stages." "He quotes an elderly patient as saying 'Death keeps taking little bits of me'. Her physician commented: 'She saw that with each attack of dizziness or fainting or confusion she became a little older, a little weaker and a little more tired. She knew that for ten years or more, she had been moving step by step towards the grave.'"
"Nuland quotes Osler as saying: 'These people take as long to die as they did to grow up.'"
AND HERE IS THE WORST:
"Nuland also observed that fewer than one in five people can have a peaceful end"
So fewer than 20% have a peaceful death of "normal" cause!
So us people in this forum are not much different. We are all fighting SI and wanna minimize pain just the same. The methods we discuss and try out, and debate, and study for crietria such as peacefulness, certainty and painlessness, guess what, over 80% of all those pro-lifers WILL ALSO face possible pain, protractedness, messiness, fear, SI, uncertainty and the possibility to get 10 more years ALMOST dying, but then surviving in worse conditions too as a wrinkled vegetable. The pro-lifers live in denial of reality. It should be their websites banned and restricted, for spreading harmful lies that only hide the brutality, so people are not prepared.
So I don't get it: why not let us have N or something less messy and slow and get it over with, once you have done all you feel you need and can do in this world? Most of us will have a drawn out death process anyway. But noooooo, we gotta hang to each and every breath, no matter how much it stinks and hurts, only for it to end anyway in often brutal ways.
Nature and its laws practice (brutal) euthanasia, plain and simple. Hitler did it to only some genetically diseased people and ethnic minorities, but Nature, she doth it to EVERYONE!
Look at this study:
Some highlights:
"In 1963, when Hinton looked at deaths in general wards, he found widespread distress. Thirty-four years later the SUPPORT study in the USA yielded very similar findings: despite great advances in palliative care in the intervening period, many dying patients were still troubled by pain and other symptoms."
For elderly people "The 'dying trajectory' may last longer, and awareness may be clouded by cognitive dysfunction. Exton-Smith found that 41% of the elderly patients in his study of dying people were delirious at the time of death."
"Sherwin Nuland, an American surgeon, has made the point that death in old age is often a protracted affair, rather than a clear-cut process that can allow patients and those bereaved to go through the classic stages." "He quotes an elderly patient as saying 'Death keeps taking little bits of me'. Her physician commented: 'She saw that with each attack of dizziness or fainting or confusion she became a little older, a little weaker and a little more tired. She knew that for ten years or more, she had been moving step by step towards the grave.'"
"Nuland quotes Osler as saying: 'These people take as long to die as they did to grow up.'"
AND HERE IS THE WORST:
"Nuland also observed that fewer than one in five people can have a peaceful end"
So fewer than 20% have a peaceful death of "normal" cause!
So us people in this forum are not much different. We are all fighting SI and wanna minimize pain just the same. The methods we discuss and try out, and debate, and study for crietria such as peacefulness, certainty and painlessness, guess what, over 80% of all those pro-lifers WILL ALSO face possible pain, protractedness, messiness, fear, SI, uncertainty and the possibility to get 10 more years ALMOST dying, but then surviving in worse conditions too as a wrinkled vegetable. The pro-lifers live in denial of reality. It should be their websites banned and restricted, for spreading harmful lies that only hide the brutality, so people are not prepared.
So I don't get it: why not let us have N or something less messy and slow and get it over with, once you have done all you feel you need and can do in this world? Most of us will have a drawn out death process anyway. But noooooo, we gotta hang to each and every breath, no matter how much it stinks and hurts, only for it to end anyway in often brutal ways.
Nature and its laws practice (brutal) euthanasia, plain and simple. Hitler did it to only some genetically diseased people and ethnic minorities, but Nature, she doth it to EVERYONE!
