Method Cutting the arm

[apatheticbeing]

I'd been looking online for ways to exit this hopeless world.

Exit bag/inert gas, no isolated place to do it;
Drug, no way to get them;
Night-night method, no skill to do it;
etc...

The something come to my attention. While it is known that cutting the wrist HORIZONTALLY is basically impossible to bleed out, People claim that cutting VERTICALLY from wrist to elbow will be much more plausible. Being a resourceful site and all, I figured here would be perfect to further discuss the details. What blade should I use? How deep do I need to cut?

Second, what painkiller do I use to minimize the pain? Despite having no love for this world, I fear that the pain will allow my survival instinct to kick in. Also, is there any effective over-the-counter blood thinner or substitute? So as to prevent blood clot. Moreover, is there any other accessible drug I should consider?

And any knowledge, resources and advice is welcomed.

 

[Robbyna]

I wouldn't recommend this method. It's not so easy to reach an artery, and the veins will not bleed enough to exsanguinate before clotting no matter what you do. To get to an artery you really have to tear yourself open. I recently tried this and ended up in the hospital for a week getting blood transfusions and reconstructive surgery. Then I got shipped off to the psych ward for a month and then another two months of outpatient care. It's one of my greatest regrets. If you go through with it, which I really hope you don't, a topical analgesic will help with the pain, but it will still be excruciating. I have so many ugly scars I can't even show my arms in public anymore. I would give anything to take it back.

 

[how2toGetout]

I'm sorry to hear about your suffering.

Exit bag/inert gas, no isolated place to do it;

Can't a room by yourself or a big spacey closet be a good enough isolated place for Nitrogen method (Exit bag/inert gas method)?

 

[Lookingforabus]

Cutting the radial artery (the one in your arms, most accessible near the wrist) is rarely fatal, but almost always results in permanent injury due to the various structures in your arms that you're likely to damage with a cut deep enough to transect the radial artery. I'd suggest that if you don't have an isolated enough place to CtB with the exit bag, you don't have an isolated enough place to bleed out slowly from the wrist, either. And yes, it's slow... you actually have two arteries in the forearm, you're not going to be able to cut both wrists, and they're smaller than other easily accessible arteries, all of which means it's one of the slowest ways to bleed out in a suicide.

Having said that, you have two bones in your forearm, the ulna and the radius. There's a gap in the middle, and reportedly, the "right" way to transect the radial artery is to cut lengthwise along the arm, in between the gap between those two bones, using the bones as guide rails, if necessary. Sounds excruciating. Before considering this, please, read the below. It makes a compelling case against suicide by transecting the radial artery. (Also has useful anatomical drawings if you decide to try this method anyway.)

A Case Against Suicide by Exsanguination by Laceration of the Radial or Ulnar Arteries, aka How Long Does it Take To Die by Cutting Your Wrists?

Everyone at one point or another considers suicide. Indeed, even Albert Camus in The Myth of Sisyphus states “There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. Judgin…

www.numerickly.com

If I was deadset on suicide by exsanguination, I'd pick the femoral artery first, the carotid second... and, frankly, choose bleeding out from a gut wound over permanently injuring my manual dexterity by going after the radial artery.

As to painkillers, if you have a strong enough painkiller to handle cutting through a lot of flesh and nerves to reach the radial artery, you're probably better off trying to OD with them. I'd suggest using a local anesthesic instead. At least in the US, you can buy lidocaine powder online and find instructions on how to mix it into saline to make it injectable. (Femoral artery transection with injectable lidocaine is one of my backup methods.)

 

[apatheticbeing]

If I was deadset on suicide by exsanguination, I'd pick the femoral artery first, the carotid second...

Is the femoral artery deep to reach? I know the carotid artery is no problem, but how deep would I need to cut to reach it, and where is the easiest?

 

[Lookingforabus]

It's pretty deep in most spots, passing under muscle groups in the thigh. The most accessible spot is a little bit below the hip bone, basically in the groin area. I'd recommend looking up anatomy diagrams (3d models are even better), and using an injected local anesthesic for anyone considering this. It branches off as it goes down the leg, so in addition to probably not wanting to slice through a major muscle group, more blood loss is generated the higher up the transection. Credit to a case study I read about a doctor who injected himself with local anesthesia and sliced open his femoral artery with a surgical scalpel, which should give you an idea of how it's fairly close to the surface at the top of the thigh/groin area.

Edit: article with a useful 3d model of the femoral artery system for reference.

hxxps://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/femoral-artery#1

 

[apatheticbeing]

It's pretty deep in most spots, passing under muscle groups in the thigh. The most accessible spot is a little bit below the hip bone, basically in the groin area. I'd recommend looking up anatomy diagrams (3d models are even better), and using an injected local anesthesic for anyone considering this. It branches off as it goes down the leg, so in addition to probably not wanting to slice through a major muscle group, more blood loss is generated the higher up the transection. Credit to a case study I read about a doctor who injected himself with local anesthesia and sliced open his femoral artery with a surgical scalpel, which should give you an idea of how it's fairly close to the surface at the top of the thigh/groin area.

Edit: article with a useful 3d model of the femoral artery system for reference.

hxxps://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/femoral-artery#1

I looked up quite a bit more about the two arteries you suggested. The femoral artery, as you'd suggested, is likely to not suit me because my SI would go crazy without anesthetic.

Now when I search for 3D models, I saw that the carotid arteries are actually under some muscles. On the contrary, the jugular veins are above the muscle and is actually the blood vessel damaged in most death by neck injuries.

Maybe that'll help your planning too.

 

[Lookingforabus]

I looked up quite a bit more about the two arteries you suggested. The femoral artery, as you'd suggested, is likely to not suit me because my SI would go crazy without anesthetic.

Deending on where you are, you might be able to buy powdered lidocaine online and look up how to mix it with saline to make injectable lidocaine (gotta love those survivalists). I don't think I'd be able to pull off any kind of suicidal exsanguination without that.

Now when I search for 3D models, I saw that the carotid arteries are actually under some muscles. On the contrary, the jugular veins are above the muscle and is actually the blood vessel damaged in most death by neck injuries.

Depends on your neck position. If you feel your pulse in your neck, that's the carotid artery. With my neck straight ahead and my chin angled down a bit, one of my carotid arteries moves out in front of that neck muscle above my Adam's apple. The other one is stubbornly deep in my neck, making ligature strangulation or hanging seem a bit dicey, and unfortunately, the easily accessible carotid is on the same side as my dominant hand, make it less than ideal for carotid transection.

You're right, though, the jugular veins are commonly transected in a fatal stabbing to the neck, but for expediency's sake, it's best to transect the carotid artery (which should transect the jugular vein as well), to speed up unconsciousness and death.

Oh well, I don't think I'll have issues with my nitrogen setup, so it's a minor concern.

 

[justanotherday]

I wouldn't recommend this method. It's not so easy to reach an artery, and the veins will not bleed enough to exsanguinate before clotting no matter what you do. To get to an artery you really have to tear yourself open. I recently tried this and ended up in the hospital for a week getting blood transfusions and reconstructive surgery. Then I got shipped off to the psych ward for a month and then another two months of outpatient care. It's one of my greatest regrets. If you go through with it, which I really hope you don't, a topical analgesic will help with the pain, but it will still be excruciating. I have so many ugly scars I can't even show my arms in public anymore. I would give anything to take it back.

Sorry you went through all that! I can't imagine. Well, I will not use that method.