Discussion Curious why SN is the option with the most interest

[morningdew]

after doing my research, been at it for years, during which time I learned I couldn't go through with hanging, gun no longer an option, nitrogen with exit bag seemed the most reliable and peaceful way to go. With SN I see some appeal in going though the process step by step but it also seems like there are many ways for it to get off track. I respect those that have choose this option, just trying to understand it more I suppose

 

[trynacbt]

Personally I'm choosing it because it strikes me as very accessible and I can obtain them in a discreet way (I'm in a place where the medications needed are OTC). I'm attracted to the fact that SN is legal because I can get paranoid af and don't want any trouble. As you say, going through the process step by step is another thing I like, because it gives me a sense of control. And finally, three and a half years ago, before I found this forum and had started feeling suicidal, I dreamed about being able to simply ingest something and then go to sleep and pass. The simplicity and secrecy of that, the peacefulness in it, is something I like.

 

[morningdew]

Personally I'm choosing it because it strikes me as very accessible and I can obtain them in a discreet way (I'm in a place where the medications needed are OTC). I'm attracted to the fact that SN is legal because I can get paranoid af and don't want any trouble. As you say, going through the process step by step is another thing I like, because it gives me a sense of control. And finally, three and a half years ago, before I found this forum and had started feeling suicidal, I dreamed about being able to simply ingest something and then go to sleep and pass. The simplicity and secrecy of that, the peacefulness in it, is something I like.

Makes perfect sense. Ideally, Id like to just take something and fall asleep as well.

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

It's less scary I guess.
You drink salt water and fade out.
You may feel uncomfortable but that's it.
Also it's a clean method, there wont be a mess if body is found soon enough.

 

[Heart of Ice]

SN seems to be an accessible method that does not involve any strangulation. I guess people have some problem with placing something around their necks because otherwise hanging/tourniquet would be more popular on here than it is currently.

 

[Bathsheba]

Because if you read through methods in the pph then SN scores highly on the criteria needed to count as a peaceful death..eg accessibility and not being painful etc..'Poor man's N' in other words.

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

SN seems to be an accessible method that does not involve any strangulation. I guess people have some problem with placing something around their necks because otherwise hanging/tourniquet would be more popular on here than it is currently.

Partial is hard to do, I tried. There's no passing out, just pressure is building up which I found very unpleasant.

 

[Rachel74]

If done properly it's quick, it's easy to get (well it was) and it's cheap.

 

[Darkhaven]

It's cheap; easy to obtain; emulates N to some degree; and it also has quite some history around here( a lot of people seem to have been sucessful with it).
All of this helps people make up their mind.

 

[Avery Jordan]

after doing my research, been at it for years, during which time I learned I couldn't go through with hanging, gun no longer an option, nitrogen with exit bag seemed the most reliable and peaceful way to go. With SN I see some appeal in going though the process step by step but it also seems like there are many ways for it to get off track. I respect those that have choose this option, just trying to understand it more I suppose

SN is cheap, legal, reletively peaceful, easy to attain, and reletively easy to do.But for most the low price is the main reason.

 

[littlelady774]

SN is easy and accessible. You follow the steps, then drink salt water. It's cheap and legal; also "relatively peaceful"- whatever that means.
The exit bag is complicated and difficult to set up. Hanging, at least to me, is very uncomfortable.

 

[Wreck-it-Riley]

I have tried to hang myself 4 times since i was 6. Messed up the knot (I was 6, not surprising) Bad support, cut down and cut down again. So clearly, not gonna happen. SN sounds like an amazing alternative.

 

[Lethe]

There's also no chance of long-term damage with SN.

 

[k75]

It's cheap, easy to get, uncomplicated. Seems to work if you follow directions. Not violent. Clean. It's not my first choice, but it's most likely what I'm going with since I just happened to already have the additional meds for it.

 

[Moon Flower]

I'm starting to lean towards sn because I don't want to leave a traumatic corpse for whoever finds it

 

[Corraled]

There's also no chance of long-term damage with SN.

SN causes hypoxia by messing with hemoglobin, theres potential to be damage if you are rescued, same as with drowning or hanging.

Cyanide is similar, also causes hypoxia, minus the risk of vomiting.

 

[JimFord99]

There is a certain degree of success with SN as it has been done before. As some members mentioned above, a cheap man's N and still not too difficult to get. My chosen method. Once taken, no second thoughts, no way back.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

You may feel uncomfortable

 

[Lethe]

SN causes hypoxia by messing with hemoglobin, theres potential to be damage if you are rescued, same as with drowning or hanging.

There are no records of this happening.

 

[Corraled]

There are no records of this happening.

Records? How many double blind studies on sodium nitrite poisoning do you expect to find?

The only way to survive SN without permanent damage is if you vomit and not enough is absorbed, and theres still enough intact hemoglobin to carry our the normal blood functions. But if it gets absorbed and hypoxia sets it, the damage is the same as with drowning or hanging.

 

[trynacbt]

How does surviving with damage happen, exactly? If you were found, for instance, but late in the process?

 

[Lethe]

Records? How many double blind studies on sodium nitrite poisoning do you expect to find?

The only way to survive SN without permanent damage is if you vomit and not enough is absorbed, and theres still enough intact hemoglobin to carry our the normal blood functions. But if it gets absorbed and hypoxia sets it, the damage is the same as with drowning or hanging.

Cut it out with your scare tactics. Every single case of someone being revived with methylene blue gets a "no permanent brain damage sustained".

 

[Dubs]

You are both right! There are no known cases of permanent damage from sn, but theoretically it could happen. Based on our knowledge it would be 1/100 to 1/1000+ of surviving with damage. So it seems to be the best way to go. All other techniques (even n and shotguns to the head) have a similar or higher rate of freak survivals and complications.

 

[k75]

Yeah, it's all pretty much anecdotal, but we don't have reports of permanent damage. It's a safe assumption that for some reason, it's reversible.

 

[Notf1xable]

I switched from using a gun to sn, because it's pretty accessible. There's only one thing that needs a doctors approval. From what I've seen it's been relatively peaceful, and I just couldn't make sure I would aim the right place. I don't believe in a 100% peaceful cbt, because of the nature of it. But the end goal is, and the ratings from what I've read has been pretty okay.

 

[JSauter]

You are both right! There are no known cases of permanent damage from sn, but theoretically it could happen. Based on our knowledge it would be 1/100 to 1/1000+ of surviving with damage. So it seems to be the best way to go. All other techniques (even n and shotguns to the head) have a similar or higher rate of freak survivals and complications.

SN's mode of action is to literally kill you with hypoxia-induced brain death. If you are interupted prior to death in an advanced stage of the process, you will have permanent damage.


And yes, there are known cases:. https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/authorities-agree-keep-fight-life-071318945.html

 

[Corraled]

Cut it out with your scare tactics. Every single case of someone being revived with methylene blue gets a "no permanent brain damage sustained".

Its not a scare tactic but common sense. These people probably still got a fair amount of hemoglobin. Their tissues would still survive with low oxygen by the time it got reversed.

Hypoxia requires close to zero oxygen levels, not 10% or 20% of normal. If you get 0% oxygen and are "saved" you'll get damage. If you are not saved but dont reach hypoxia, you'll probably wake up a few hours later with no damage after the body clears the nitrite.

 

[Lethe]

And yes, there are known cases:. https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/authorities-agree-keep-fight-life-071318945.html

Dammit! I hate this.

 

[Corraled]

Dammit! I hate this.

Well, that boy was "saved" along with the rest of his class.

 

[Lethe]

Right, so just further incentive to get as far away from people as possible before attempting this. Luckily I have a giant forest in my back yard. Super looking forward to heading into the middle of that in the middle of the night.