CTB in hotels are still a good option (COVID-19)?

[Deleted member 17331]

The rules of most hotels probably changed during covid-19. But will the "Do Not Disturb" option still be available? If janitors have to clean the room much more often.

With all this, are hotels still a safe option for ctb?

 

[HelensNepenthe]

While not at all answering your question, i believe personally that it is a bit selfish to CTB in a hotel and have a hotel employee walk in on it. The scene of your overdose/hanging/self inflicted gun shot wound would cause them a tremendous amount of nonrecoverable trauma.

 

[I screwed up]

IMO the Do not Disturb option has to available .. Janitor / housekeeping cannot keep coming every 4 or 5 hrs , besides u will be first checked for covid 19 before u check in. So if u put the sign I guess u r good. Also the amount of private time u need in the room depends n ur method ... For most popular methods 3 to 4 hrs is more than enough ... So yes hotel is still a good option ..

 

[Deleted member 17331]

While not at all answering your question, i believe personally that it is a bit selfish to CTB in a hotel and have a hotel employee walk in on it. The scene of your overdose/hanging/self inflicted gun shot wound would cause them a tremendous amount of nonrecoverable trauma.

I understand, I already read some topics about ctb in hotels, and I found opinions like yours. I stopped to think, and I really wouldn't want to traumatize/disturb anyone. If I had the choice of ctb anywhere away from people, I would. But I am sorry to tell you, this is not my reality. I live in a very populated city, and the few remote places are difficult to access, especially during the pandemic.

I found some topics with ideas that can help alleviate problems for employees like:

● Putting tickets on the door or sending emails notifying employees not to enter in the place due to an accident/suicide.

● CTB in the hotel bathroom for ease of cleaning.

● Put on a tarp in the place you intend to ctb, also for easy cleaning.

I intend to leave with SN and following these tips, which will make the least mess and discomfort possible.

I don't know what country you live in, but in my country, the employees are even used to it, it is quite common for people to die in hotel rooms. Some even make jokes. Suicidal people in this country are considered a joke. In fact, anyone in trouble. As is the case with many who died and had pictures of their bodies thrown on the internet, which is common here too. It is even common to read cases of coroners and police officers publishing photos of bodies or simply playing with the bodies. Although I don't care what happens to me after I die.

I will try to be less selfish. But I'm sure that this rotten image of mine will not change in people's minds.

In short, I will just be another body that will simply be discarded, I will become a joke and it is over, end.

 

[HelensNepenthe]

I understand, I already read some topics about ctb in hotels, and I found opinions like yours. I stopped to think, and I really wouldn't want to traumatize/disturb anyone. If I had the choice of ctb anywhere away from people, I would. But I am sorry to tell you, this is not my reality. I live in a very populated city, and the few remote places are difficult to access, especially during the pandemic.

I found some topics with ideas that can help alleviate problems for employees like:

● Putting tickets on the door or sending emails notifying employees not to enter in the place due to an accident/suicide.

● CTB in the hotel bathroom for ease of cleaning.

● Put on a tarp in the place you intend to ctb, also for easy cleaning.

I intend to leave with SN and following these tips, which will make the least mess and discomfort possible.

I don't know what country you live in, but in my country, the employees are even used to it, it is quite common for people to die in hotel rooms. Some even make jokes. Suicidal people in this country are considered a joke. In fact, anyone in trouble. As is the case with many who died and had pictures of their bodies thrown on the internet, which is common here too. It is even common to read cases of coroners and police officers publishing photos of bodies or simply playing with the bodies. Although I don't care what happens to me after I die.

I will try to be less selfish. But I'm sure that this rotten image of mine will not change in people's minds.

In short, I will just be another body that will simply be discarded, I will become a joke and it is over, end.

I am very much empathetic that people do not have other options. The burden it may be for their family to discover their body, and yet they may discover that it is a lesser blow for a complete stranger to discover them. This was in no way to make you feel saddened by your choice, because I empathize with you. It'll be my only option too, realistically.

 

[Alec]

While not at all answering your question, i believe personally that it is a bit selfish to CTB in a hotel and have a hotel employee walk in on it. The scene of your overdose/hanging/self inflicted gun shot wound would cause them a tremendous amount of nonrecoverable trauma.

I always read this point of view on almost every threat involving hotels. And this isn't anything personal against you, I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to be mean to you, I'm not, I love ya;)

I just want to say, yes, the hotel employee will have to walk in on your dead body in a suicide scene, in some cases gruesome ones looking. And yes, it's sad, and it can leave the person shaken. But can we stop saying stuff like "it's selfish" and so on? It's death. It's never easy, suicide or not finding a dead body is still a hard experience, though admittedly suicide is harder to witness. But it's alright. Death and even suicide are natural. Dead human bodies are natural. Someone is gonna have to see your dead body one way or another anyway, through suicide or if you die a normal death someone is gonna find your body at some point in time, tomorrow, 10 years from today or 50. Will it be the police officer, a hotel worker, a morgue worker, or just a passer by because one suddenly dropped dead on the street, it's gonna be someone and they gonna have to deal with it. It's really not that big of a deal. Suicide and death are reality, trying to avoid it and pretend it's not something that happens is not gonna solve anything, it's not gonna make it go away, and it's not gonna solve the reasons for why people kill themselves. If one finds a body after suicide you just have accept that this is reality, it has always been this way, just because you personally haven't come across it, doesn't mean it never happens. At the same time, it doesn't have to influence you more than just knowing the fact that suicide is real influences you, a suicide of a stranger has no personal connection to you, it doesn't have to leave you traumatized unless you let it.

My point is, their is enough shame and blaming and self hatred going around in suicidal people's heads as it is, there's no need to be creating more. This isn't right or just to say that it's selfish because a hotel worker will find your body, in this way we can find a reason to shame ourselves for everything for literally breathing and existing(ex. because our life is too hard and pain filled for somebody normal or happy to witness and it can leave them shaken and even traumatized). We all share this world. We all have the right to be in it and be as "problematic" as however "problematic" we are. We share this world, there's no avoiding leaving somebody else shaken or traumatized even for witnessing whatever point in our personal lives they found "disturbing". We can't be responsible for other people's well being in regard of witnessing everything this world has in it, the ugly and the pretty. Besides it depends on the person, even if I wasn't suicidal and found a body after suicide I would feel shaken up but I would move on, while someone else might have a harder time moving on. It's not our responsibility, we can't put a blame for literally everything that our life experience does to others on ourselves, we can't control it, therefore it's silly to blame yourself for it. We have a right to suffer and we have a right to express our pain and we have a right to do things the pain makes us do. And if it's hard to witness for somebody else-that's not our fault. It's just us the way it is. The answer here is not to try to hide our pain and every expression or sign of it from the world because it's disturbing to them, the answer here is that we have to accept that it is the way it is, it's not our fault, and we share this world, each of us has the right to be as messy as however messy we are. Life isn't always pretty.

And as to whether the "do not disturb" sign will still work the same in these times, I'm not sure but maybe try asking the hotel if they are obligated to ignore it right now or will you be able to get some peaceful sleep time, tell them you are really tired and prefer to rest I disturbed? I'm not sure if this won't sound too suspicious but perhaps I'm overthinking this and it will sound normal. I feel like it might be normal.

Love,
—Alec.

 

[HelensNepenthe]

We have differences in opinion and that is okay. There is no right or wrong answer without going into morals, in which case never goes anywhere.

My point is that there is trauma to see a hanging body or a self-inflicted gunshot wound scene while a person is only doing their job by managing hotel rooms. This no pro-life agenda, yet I can see where people can mistake this as a pro-lifer comment. If your exit is not at all violent, meaning that your death was through ideally a peaceful way (sodium nitrite or pentobarbital overdose), it lessens the trauma someone can encounter. The reality they may be shocked by the pigment of your skin turning blue in color from a fatal dose of sodium nitrite. They may not even bat an eye or glampse over to see the pigment of your skin, anyway. They may have assumed you died within in your sleep. Dying in your sleep has a general consensus of being the best way to die. I cannot see any other better option than dying in your sleep besides a fatal overdose on pentobarbital. A Drion pill has yet to exist that will terminate our lives without any discomfort at all while being accessible.

We will eventually encounter a dead body in our lives. My comment I wrote was not at all antagonizing someone for choosing this way of exiting. Some people respectively have no other option. They may think the situation is lessening the blow by doing it in front of a stranger, while doing it at their family's residence may cause them emotional discomfort. I get it. A hotel will be the chosen path for me, too. If someone had other availble options, I wish they would practice it instead of having someone else have to make the police call about an unconscious body at a hotel.

The bigger picture is country laws not prohibiting people with the means of peacefully exiting in front of their loved ones in the comfort of a clinic. Instead we have to make our own means in self-deliverance. We were not given a way of denying life when conception came. We unfortunately have to bear the emotional pain of living.

 

[WhatIsMyLife]

While not at all answering your question, i believe personally that it is a bit selfish to CTB in a hotel and have a hotel employee walk in on it. The scene of your overdose/hanging/self inflicted gun shot wound would cause them a tremendous amount of nonrecoverable trauma.

Eh... I get that it sucks, but if you compare it to all the other options, it definitely would traumatize people the least. Ctb at home with family in another room? That's gonna mess them up for life. Do it in a park? That's gonna really haunt a whole number of people that may find you, including kids. Ctb in front of a train? A train driver will be traumatized for the rest of their life. But in a hotel? A hotel worker will find you, and promptly call the authorities. It won't be fun for them, but comparing it to everything else, I think it's the best out of shitty options.

 

[I screwed up]

I might be very selfish but I really don't understand why do u want to over complicate things by thinking abt who will find my body? will they be traumatized ? ...is it fair..?.. Blah blah ...attempting Ctb itself is so daunting .. why to make it worse by thinking abt other irrelevant things.

 

[HelensNepenthe]

Eh... I get that it sucks, but if you compare it to all the other options, it definitely would traumatize people the least. Ctb at home with family in another room? That's gonna mess them up for life. Do it in a park? That's gonna really haunt a whole number of people that may find you, including kids. Ctb in front of a train? A train driver will be traumatized for the rest of their life. But in a hotel? A hotel worker will find you, and promptly call the authorities. It won't be fun for them, but comparing it to everything else, I think it's the best out of shitty options.

You're assuming that any individual working in a hotel or motel would be the least traumaitized in comparison to your other methods. When in fact, we cannot assume how someone could emotionally react. Someone may shrug their shoulders and move on, while another person may have a terrible reaction of seeing death. A pessimistic approach, that I argue is the most realistic, is to always assume the worst of the situation.

I've wrote a follow up replying not shaming someone going to a hotel and to clear up any misconception that I'm spreading pro-life agenda onto the forum. Neither are my intentions, clearly.

Each option you've given is under the own person who finds them or sees the action take place. Each person is different. No option is the best or the worst. They equally are the same, because it's only up to the person(s) who see it. You're assuming that someone may have less emotions about discovering a deceased body than someone who works as a conductor on a train.

i would venture to say the least impactful way of handling your own death is having your death ruled in absentia. While your family may always seek to find answers, the blow is less harsh because some may still believe you're still alive.

I might be very selfish but I really don't understand why do u want to over complicate things by thinking abt who will find my body? will they be traumatized ? ...is it fair..?.. Blah blah ...attempting Ctb itself is so daunting .. why to make it worse by thinking abt other irrelevant things.

These are not irrelevant things. Simply this is only your own opinion. My post was only to give a different perspective on a situation that someone may have not thought of. Clearly OP has which had not been disclosed in the first post. Shrugging it off as irrelevant is quite the paradoxical approach. Each individual knows that us taking our lives in some aspects reflects upon the people around us. Some may choose to simply not care, and that is only their decision. No one can suggest them to think differently.

 

[Busdriver]

Great topic!

So if you use the 'Do Not Disturb' sign, you will be left alone for a few hours.

I wonder how much does the CTB cost your loved ones? I mean the hotel has to clean and stuff. How much will that cost (around ~10K?) and do loved ones have to pay that?

What do you guys think?

 

[GoBack]

Great topic!

So if you use the 'Do Not Disturb' sign, you will be left alone for a few hours.

I wonder how much does the CTB cost your loved ones? I mean the hotel has to clean and stuff. How much will that cost (around ~10K?) and do loved ones have to pay that?

What do you guys think?

Maybes a hotels insurance covers that? I dunno would have to look that up

Looks like small hotels have to do it themselves, bigger ones can afford a cleaning company and its classed as a crime scene. Who knew

 

[HelensNepenthe]

Great topic!

So if you use the 'Do Not Disturb' sign, you will be left alone for a few hours.

I wonder how much does the CTB cost your loved ones? I mean the hotel has to clean and stuff. How much will that cost (around ~10K?) and do loved ones have to pay that?

What do you guys think?

In most cases the hotel workers do not clean it, independent companies such as this one will conduct the cleaning. Independent and small hotels may not have the financial capabilities of conducting cleanings.

I haven't read anything on a hotel chain requesting that the kin pay for the damages from a suicide. If it's a hotel chain, in most cases some sort of insurance I'd imagine is in place. If someone is residing out of state, the hotel may need to contact someone to waive the incurring state estate tax.

 

[theguineapigking]

I plan to ctb in a hotel. I will hang a sheet up in the room, blocking the view from the door viewpoint(once opened). I will have a plastic sheet on the bed of which I lie, to protect it from vomit. The reason I choose to lie on the bed, rather than in the bathtub, is because I fear I'll convulse and bang the walls, which will alert neighbors. I will pull the bed out from the wall, move the lamp off of the nightstand. I will leave a note on the sheet to warn the staff that I am dead. I apologized in the note. I will also leave a bigger tip(money) for the one who finds the note and warning.



There's really not much else I can do in my case. If I ctb at home in my room, my family finds me, and surely my parents' house value would drop due to my suicide. If I go into the woods(in a hiking area), random people could find me, including kids. See, there's really not much else I can do. Someone is going to find my body, regardless of how or when I do it. So at least in a hotel, some parents and their kids won't find me dead. It would be in a better controlled environment. The hotel staff could alert the police, the police come, then the situation is taken care of in the best way possible, ideally with the minimum amount of people involved.



So as someone else said, it seems to be the best out of all this "amazing" world's dumb ass shitty options.

 

[Busdriver]

Maybes a hotels insurance covers that? I dunno would have to look that up

Looks like small hotels have to do it themselves, bigger ones can afford a cleaning company and its classed as a crime scene. Who knew

Thank you for your answer. By hotels insuranance, you mean THEIR insurance, right? So THEIR insurance covers CTB cleaning costs?

In most cases the hotel workers do not clean it, independent companies such as this one will conduct the cleaning. Independent and small hotels may not have the financial capabilities of conducting cleanings.

I haven't read anything on a hotel chain requesting that the kin pay for the damages from a suicide. If it's a hotel chain, in most cases some sort of insurance I'd imagine is in place. If someone is residing out of state, the hotel may need to contact someone to waive the incurring state estate tax.

Thank you too. I hope you mean insurance of the hotel chain. But the state estate tax to be incurred has to be paid then by the kin or the insurance of the hotel, you think?

I have never been in a hotel.
Let's say you have the DND sign on the door and you never open, because you are dead. At some point (a few hours later?) somebody from hotel staff will bump in, right. So they have the keys to your room.

It would probably be best to block the door then with some furniture, I think.

Sorry stupid questions..

 

[GoBack]

Thank you for your answer. By hotels insuranance, you mean THEIR insurance, right? So THEIR insurance covers CTB cleaning costs?



Thank you too. I hope you mean insurance of the hotel chain. But the state estate tax to be incurred has to be paid then by the kin or the insurance of the hotel, you think?

Sorry stupid questions..

Yeah I mean the hotel's own insurance, I don't know what it would be called in their policy. There's no stupid questions in all this

 

[HelensNepenthe]

They're not supposed to bother you if you have the dnd sign on the handle. They would come into the room, once it is past the checkout time. Sometimes that would be 10-15min past. Sometimes sooner. They would only clean the room once you checkout, should that sign be on the door. So long as it doesn't fall off somehow, you'd be alone until it's past your checkout time.

Varies on policy with the hotel room. Most cases they're able to go in even while the sign is on the door. With the mass shooter in Vegas, some policies have changed where after 48 hours of Do Not Disturb not changing, they are able to go in your hotel room.

Thank you too. I hope you mean insurance of the hotel chain. But the state estate tax to be incurred has to be paid then by the kin or the insurance of the hotel, you think?

I have never been in a hotel.
Let's say you have the DND sign on the door and you never open, because you are dead. At some point (a few hours later?) somebody from hotel staff will bump in, right. So they have the keys to your room.

It would probably be best to block the door then with some furniture, I think.

Sorry stupid questions..

Yes. It would be the hotel's insurance.

Pertaining to your other question, this would entirely be a state-to-hotel situation. No party is involved. If the person had property on them, it would be handled by a receipt and confirmation of goods returned to the kin. That is how the process should be handled so there are no lawsuits that they forgot personal property.

 

[Busdriver]

Yeah I mean the hotel's own insurance, I don't know what it would be called in their policy. There's no stupid questions in all this

Haha, thanks. I am glad the kin doesn't have to pay for it then

Varies on policy with the hotel room. Most cases they're able to go in even while the sign is on the door. With the mass shooter in Vegas, some policies have changed where after 48 hours of Do Not Disturb not changing, they are able to go in your hotel room.

Yes. It would be the hotel's insurance.

Pertaining to your other question, this would entirely be a state-to-hotel situation. No party is involved. If the person had property on them, it would be handled by a receipt and confirmation of goods returned to the kin. That is how the process should be handled so there are no lawsuits that they forgot personal property.

You mean if the person to CTB has property, the kin have to pay the property costs after CTB-person has passed away, right? Or do you mean like the CTB-person had paid e.g. 100k on mortgage and then the kin gets either 100k or take over the mortgage and thus paying mortgage bills going forward?

I luckily, in this case, have no property. My concern only was that the kin have to pay for all the cleaning done in hotel room after CTB. But, these costs are probably covered by the hotel's insurance