Cruel World?

[KingoftheFreaks]

Hi peeps

Do you ever think that if you bring someone into this world, you are actually doing more harm than good? Like I'm unhappy and have been for more than 20 years. Sometimes I feel like giving up, sometimes I think I will get past this crap and be happy one day, have a kid and make them feel so loved and do everything I can humanly do so that they are happy and have the least chance of falling down this path of eternal misery in which I find myself.

Why I say more harm than good is the way we live as humans. We drink tea or cereal with milk, eat cheese, butter, slaughter billions of chickens every year, consign dairy cows and livestock to loves of misery. We keep pets who we mutilate and put in cages for our amusement. Dairy cows are living lives of absolute misery just so we can steal their milk from their babies. In order to sustain human life we actually cause so much misery to other life forms on this planet. Dont know if any of you have thought like this before?

 

[Uzera]

Yeah. It always seems weird that people can love their pets but be fine with eating animals. Also livestock is livestock and people are people but if the powers that be had their way people would be a lot closer to livestock. Any freedoms that can be stripped way are. People are actually convinced it's fine that one percent of people have all of the money because "socialism is bad". Take out the royal aspect of it and it's really not that different from a monarchy except this time around they've managed to brainwash everybody.



If you're reading this message if something good happens to you try and appreciate it while it lasts. Its temporary and there are countless others who have never or will never have it.

Also life kind of sucks huh?

 

[CoalmineCanary]

I don't want to sentence another human being to the same illness I have genetically. I am honestly worried about family members who are having children now. I hope whatever gene this is, they are able to avoid suffering from the negative effects of it. If not, I can only hope that science and health care improves to treat them more humanly than it treats mental illness is now.

 

[KingoftheFreaks]

I don't want to sentence another human being to the same illness I have genetically. I am honestly worried about family members who are having children now. I hope whatever gene this is, they are able to avoid suffering from the negative effects of it. If not, I can only hope that science and health care improves to treat them more humanly than it treats mental illness is now.

Sorry to hear that friend. Mental illness is broad and wide. Sometimes with the right circumstances people who otherwise are depressed could have been generally happy.

I'm not familiar with your situation. But I know there are mental illnesses which condemn you regardless of how perfect your upbringing is.

Do you think if you raised a kid with your genes you would know how to make them turn put happy? Since you know what went wrong for you

 

[CoalmineCanary]

Do you think if you raised a kid with your genes you would know how to make them turn put happy? Since you know what went wrong for you

I wouldn't even risk it. I'm too unstable. I just got arrested and was recently released from the hospital on a manic episode I can't remember much of. I don't think I'd make a very compete parent. Just being real.

Fortunately, those in my family now having children are accomplished, bright individuals who I think will be able to over come such hurdles. They don't seem to be too concerned. Also, I hope medical treatment and science will improve exponentially for the next generation.

 

[Superdeterminist]

Undoubtedly, there is so much cruelty on this planet that it defies belief. I became vegan not too long ago when it finally dawned on me that farming is modern day slavery, and it's literally a holocaust of sentient beings.

Yet, as a proponent of the nonexistence of free will, I don't condemn those who have not yet done the same and given up meat, eggs, and cheese. For some reason that is hidden to me, I was motivated enough to make the switch and found it effortless. But I'm not so naive to think that it will be that easy for everyone else. When it comes to motivation and behaviour, we still have huge amounts to learn.

 

[Lost Magic]

Undoubtedly, there is so much cruelty on this planet that it defies belief. I became vegan not too long ago when it finally dawned on me that farming is modern day slavery, and it's literally a holocaust of sentient beings.

Yet, as a proponent of the nonexistence of free will, I don't condemn those who have not yet done the same and given up meat, eggs, and cheese. For some reason that is hidden to me, I was motivated enough to make the switch and found it effortless. But I'm not so naive to think that it will be that easy for everyone else. When it comes to motivation and behaviour, we still have huge amounts to learn.

but I like meat, cheese and eggs.

 

[Superdeterminist]

but I like meat, cheese and eggs.

I also enjoyed those foods when I ate them - I absolutely do miss the flavours. But after seeing how animals are treated (watching farm and slaughterhouse footage, especially the documentary 'Dominion (2018)') and thinking: 'How do I feel about these animals being abused and killed?' I became motivated to stop eating those foods. I want to reiterate, because I think this is the most important point - I DON'T expect others to go vegan just by my talking about the injustice of animal farming. Talking about animal suffering might convince some people, but it certainly won't convince all, or maybe even most. Why did I become vegan? I certainly didn't 'freely choose' to do so. I had seen slaughterhouse footage before and it didn't affect me, at least not enough to make me stop eating animal products. But for SOME reason, after seeing it this one particular time, something clicked and I suddenly felt motivated to stop eating those things. I do not, and cannot take responsibility for that sudden change, just like how I can't take responsibility for my heart beating, or my kidneys filtering my blood, etc. By the same token, you do not 'freely choose' to continue preferring to consume those foods instead of being vegan.

I'm sure that you are opposed to the killing/abuse of animals unnecessarily (as in: not required for survival and good health) - and this is exactly what animal agriculture (in most developed countries) precisely entails. Yet, you knowing this isn't enough to motivate you to become vegan (I'm assuming). You can conceive of becoming a vegan, but what will motivate you to do so? To know the answer to that requires a much deeper understanding of brains and neuronal motivation circuits than anyone could offer you right now. None of this is to say that you will never be vegan - again, for me to be able to tell you that, I would have to know that your brain 'will never assume the 'vegan' configuration'. Similarly and for example, I wish I were motivated to exercise every week, but for reasons I can't access or claim ownership over, I'm just not, so I don't exercise. And other people, for reasons unknown to them, are. But this idea that we all have the freedom to be motivated to behave however anyone else might be behaving, is utter nonsense. The myth of free will, and it is just a myth (in my opinion), needs to die.