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ember in the dark
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I've never really been able to talk about this in detail, but this seems like a perfect place to talk about it.

Two of my cousins ctb, one before I was born (I'll call him K) and the other two years ago (I'll call her A). It bothers me for a lot of reasons and it's mostly how my family (and the police who found K) have responded to their deaths. I feel as if they were oversimplified and disregarded their reasons for deciding to ctb. Both K and A used hanging.

Whenever someone mentions K, they say he did it because his girlfriend broke up with him and that he regretted it. When I ask how they could know he regretted it they say it's because the police told them that his hands were around the rope. I don't think it's right that his ex was blamed so much -she probably feels an immeasurable amount of guilt to this day. I also don't understand how the police could tell my family he regretted it: surely that increases the heartache to think that K changed his mind and there was nothing anyone could do to save him in the end. Personally, I think it would be better to think a loved one didn't regret the decision.

When A ctb, her ex was primarily blamed. I know he isn't a particularly nice person, but the general viewpoint was "he told her to do she did". In my opinion it's an oversimplification of what A went through. My family seem more accepting of other difficulties in A's life now, but they still blame her ex a lot. I don't know if he said anything to her before she ctb or not, but I know A wouldn't have let one cruel comment be the end of her life and leave her kids behind because of it.

I feel like K and A both had problems in their lives that my family didn't understand, or didn't realise the severity of. I don't want to villainise my family but I wish they would view K and A's suicides A's complex decisions, rather than impulsive ones made due to other people. They even view my previous attempts as being impulsive acts I made due to others, which is certainly an oversimplification of my mental state.

Like I already said, K and A both hung themselves. And hanging yourself isn't easy, you need to know how to tie a noose properly and make sure your rope is strong enough, obviously. I doubt either of them magically knew how to do it right, first try. I'm sure they must have had at least a little awareness on how they would ctb, and it must have been something they pondered for weeks, months or even years before carrying it out. I guess I'm frustrated, really -I feel like they both struggled in life, and really couldn't cope for a number of reasons, and ultimately decided suicide was for the best. I don't like how their hardships have seemingly been reduced to singular events and people making them want to ctb.

I'm also scared that when I ctb, my family will blame certain people or claim I did it impulsively because of one bad event. I want my struggle to be recognised and acknowledged, as I want K and A's to be as well. We may never know what went through their minds leading to their suicides but at the very least, it's incredibly unlikely a single event or person made them ctb.
 
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I've never really been able to talk about this in detail, but this seems like a perfect place to talk about it.

Two of my cousins ctb, one before I was born (I'll call him K) and the other two years ago (I'll call her A). It bothers me for a lot of reasons and it's mostly how my family (and the police who found K) have responded to their deaths. I feel as if they were oversimplified and disregarded their reasons for deciding to ctb. Both K and A used hanging.

Whenever someone mentions K, they say he did it because his girlfriend broke up with him and that he regretted it. When I ask how they could know he regretted it they say it's because the police told them that his hands were around the rope. I don't think it's right that his ex was blamed so much -she probably feels an immeasurable amount of guilt to this day. I also don't understand how the police could tell my family he regretted it: surely that increases the heartache to think that K changed his mind and there was nothing anyone could do to save him in the end. Personally, I think it would be better to think a loved one didn't regret the decision.

When A ctb, her ex was primarily blamed. I know he isn't a particularly nice person, but the general viewpoint was "he told her to do she did". In my opinion it's an oversimplification of what A went through. My family seem more accepting of other difficulties in A's life now, but they still blame her ex a lot. I don't know if he said anything to her before she ctb or not, but I know A wouldn't have let one cruel comment be the end of her life and leave her kids behind because of it.

I feel like K and A both had problems in their lives that my family didn't understand, or didn't realise the severity of. I don't want to villainise my family but I wish they would view K and A's suicides A's complex decisions, rather than impulsive ones made due to other people. They even view my previous attempts as being impulsive acts I made due to others, which is certainly an oversimplification of my mental state.

Like I already said, K and A both hung themselves. And hanging yourself isn't easy, you need to know how to tie a noose properly and make sure your rope is strong enough, obviously. I doubt either of them magically knew how to do it right, first try. I'm sure they must have had at least a little awareness on how they would ctb, and it must have been something they pondered for weeks, months or even years before carrying it out. I guess I'm frustrated, really -I feel like they both struggled in life, and really couldn't cope for a number of reasons, and ultimately decided suicide was for the best. I don't like how their hardships have seemingly been reduced to singular events and people making them want to ctb.

I'm also scared that when I ctb, my family will blame certain people or claim I did it impulsively because of one bad event. I want my struggle to be recognised and acknowledged, as I want K and A's to be as well. We may never know what went through their minds leading to their suicides but at the very least, it's incredibly unlikely a single event or person made them ctb.
I posted this a while ago, the role genetics play in suicide.
[URL="https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/genetic-factors.7841/"]Genetic factors[/URL]
 
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I posted this a while ago, the role genetics play in suicide.
Genetic factors
Thanks for the link, it's really interesting to read about. I wish I could find out if I had the gene, or a similar one, but when I've mentioned my suspicions of a genetic link in my family to mental health workers they've brushed it off
 
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Shewaitsforme

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Sep 23, 2018
493
My partner commited suicide and ive been blaimed by her family who didnt like me anyway and wish shed stayed with her kids dad and not become a lesbian and also some of her friends. My life is now in ruins and im waiting for my SN to arrive so i can die too. Nothing left for me now, cant even bare to leave my flat
 
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Apr 8, 2018
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I've never really been able to talk about this in detail, but this seems like a perfect place to talk about it.

Two of my cousins ctb, one before I was born (I'll call him K) and the other two years ago (I'll call her A). It bothers me for a lot of reasons and it's mostly how my family (and the police who found K) have responded to their deaths. I feel as if they were oversimplified and disregarded their reasons for deciding to ctb. Both K and A used hanging.

Whenever someone mentions K, they say he did it because his girlfriend broke up with him and that he regretted it. When I ask how they could know he regretted it they say it's because the police told them that his hands were around the rope. I don't think it's right that his ex was blamed so much -she probably feels an immeasurable amount of guilt to this day. I also don't understand how the police could tell my family he regretted it: surely that increases the heartache to think that K changed his mind and there was nothing anyone could do to save him in the end. Personally, I think it would be better to think a loved one didn't regret the decision.

When A ctb, her ex was primarily blamed. I know he isn't a particularly nice person, but the general viewpoint was "he told her to do she did". In my opinion it's an oversimplification of what A went through. My family seem more accepting of other difficulties in A's life now, but they still blame her ex a lot. I don't know if he said anything to her before she ctb or not, but I know A wouldn't have let one cruel comment be the end of her life and leave her kids behind because of it.

I feel like K and A both had problems in their lives that my family didn't understand, or didn't realise the severity of. I don't want to villainise my family but I wish they would view K and A's suicides A's complex decisions, rather than impulsive ones made due to other people. They even view my previous attempts as being impulsive acts I made due to others, which is certainly an oversimplification of my mental state.

Like I already said, K and A both hung themselves. And hanging yourself isn't easy, you need to know how to tie a noose properly and make sure your rope is strong enough, obviously. I doubt either of them magically knew how to do it right, first try. I'm sure they must have had at least a little awareness on how they would ctb, and it must have been something they pondered for weeks, months or even years before carrying it out. I guess I'm frustrated, really -I feel like they both struggled in life, and really couldn't cope for a number of reasons, and ultimately decided suicide was for the best. I don't like how their hardships have seemingly been reduced to singular events and people making them want to ctb.

I'm also scared that when I ctb, my family will blame certain people or claim I did it impulsively because of one bad event. I want my struggle to be recognised and acknowledged, as I want K and A's to be as well. We may never know what went through their minds leading to their suicides but at the very least, it's incredibly unlikely a single event or person made them ctb.

I know my family is going to think I impulsively killed myself becuase I couldn't cope with my emotions. The truth is I have put years of thought into this descion and know it's what's best for me. I could easily survive I just don't want to as I don't think living is in my best interest. I never once regretted attempting all those years ago only failing. Suicide has been on the table for me since I have been able to reason, the notion I am better off dead etc has always been consistent. I wrote a 50 page paper explaining all my views etc. I have decided rather than leaving any of it, I will let them dwell in ignorance, after all ignorance is bliss. They can put the blame on me call me selfish cowardly or whatever helps them sleep at night.
 
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Families can't seem to grasp that a single incident caused someone to CTB. No it's a series of events, building up over time, and that one incident broke the camel's back. Thanks for sharing the story, and I think I can empathize because your cousins had problems that the family didn't understand, until a few years after their deaths. So imagine what they're reaction would be if they came out to them and said they had problems.

For me, shame and guilt from past events led me down a dark path of finding redemption in myself. Most of it leads to suicide because somethings will never change or be resolved. I will never find closure in it and it'll die when I die. My wife told me the other day that she doesn't believe in suicide. She just believes that the mind is lazy and weak, and people who do it are selfish cowards. Kinda hit me hard and made me feel guilty and more unlikely to tell her about any sad feelings.
 
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Nov 1, 2018
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I'm also scared that when I ctb, my family will blame certain people or claim I did it impulsively because of one bad event. I want my struggle to be recognised and acknowledged, as I want K and A's to be as well.
Have you considered writing it all out? I don't know that it would help them with closure, per se, but maybe spelling out for them that yours has been a complex and thought-out process might give K and A some posthumous justice.

As people here are now very aware from my posts, I tend to be verbose. I have printed out probably a full ream of paper to be found after my death. Among the documents is a 7-page, single-space account of my reasoning to end my life. In my case, where I have a sympathetic family who are aware that I am at least considering ending my life, the document is to provide them the answers to such questions as why didn't he try this remedy, why didn't he try that, why couldn't he pursue this possible escape, why didn't he pursue that. In your case, it might be enlightening to your family that the situation is not so simple as they imagine.
Families can't seem to grasp that a single incident caused someone to CTB. No it's a series of events, building up over time, and that one incident broke the camel's back.
Truth.

An arch is made of many stones, but every arch relies upon a single keystone. Remove that one keystone, and the entire arch collapses under the weight of its own elements.
 
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johnny

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Dec 5, 2018
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The hands being on the rope is just survival instinct, an automatic reflex.
 
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ember in the dark
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My partner commited suicide and ive been blaimed by her family who didnt like me anyway and wish shed stayed with her kids dad and not become a lesbian and also some of her friends. My life is now in ruins and im waiting for my SN to arrive so i can die too. Nothing left for me now, cant even bare to leave my flat
I'm sorry for your loss, it's hard but I'm sure it wasn't your fault. Best wishes, sending hugs
 
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ember in the dark
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I know my family is going to think I impulsively killed myself becuase I couldn't cope with my emotions. The truth is I have put years of thought into this descion and know it's what's best for me. I could easily survive I just don't want to as I don't think living is in my best interest. I never once regretted attempting all those years ago only failing. Suicide has been on the table for me since I have been able to reason, the notion I am better off dead etc has always been consistent. I wrote a 50 page paper explaining all my views etc. I have decided rather than leaving any of it, I will let them dwell in ignorance, after all ignorance is bliss. They can put the blame on me call me selfish cowardly or whatever helps them sleep at night.
I feel the same about how my family will react and knowing it's the best decision for me, I just don't have the energy to go on knowing I'll be feeling depressed for the remainder of my life and how it affects everyone around me. Best wishes, hugs
 
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I'm sorry 4 what you are going through. Good luck with it when you do it
 
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ember in the dark
Dec 7, 2018
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Families can't seem to grasp that a single incident caused someone to CTB. No it's a series of events, building up over time, and that one incident broke the camel's back. Thanks for sharing the story, and I think I can empathize because your cousins had problems that the family didn't understand, until a few years after their deaths. So imagine what they're reaction would be if they came out to them and said they had problems.

For me, shame and guilt from past events led me down a dark path of finding redemption in myself. Most of it leads to suicide because somethings will never change or be resolved. I will never find closure in it and it'll die when I die. My wife told me the other day that she doesn't believe in suicide. She just believes that the mind is lazy and weak, and people who do it are selfish cowards. Kinda hit me hard and made me feel guilty and more unlikely to tell her about any sad feelings.
I understand people around you not understanding or being able to understand fully. I started trying to get help for my problems a few years ago but as I was a minor I had to speak to my parents to access treatment, and they were essentially allowed to speak for me and spread misinformation about my condition and put the blame on everything from technology to exams to friends. Nothing I said really changed anything. They try to understand more now but I can feel the resentment and how they don't fully understand how desperate and low I am. Most recently a mental health team told me I was just 'emotionally distressed' -there's no way I can be emotionally distressed for so many years and having five suicide attempts, especially with a history of mental illness in my family. Mental health services in my area are rated as inadequate though so I'm not particularly surprised.

I'm sorry about what your wife said, but sadly many people can't understand mental illness and suicide. It's still a mystery to experts sometimes and so taboo to talk about it's practically impossible for people to understand, especially if they've never experienced before. Sending you hugs
 
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ember in the dark
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Have you considered writing it all out? I don't know that it would help them with closure, per se, but maybe spelling out for them that yours has been a complex and thought-out process might give K and A some posthumous justice.

As people here are now very aware from my posts, I tend to be verbose. I have printed out probably a full ream of paper to be found after my death. Among the documents is a 7-page, single-space account of my reasoning to end my life. In my case, where I have a sympathetic family who are aware that I am at least considering ending my life, the document is to provide them the answers to such questions as why didn't he try this remedy, why didn't he try that, why couldn't he pursue this possible escape, why didn't he pursue that. In your case, it might be enlightening to your family that the situation is not so simple as they imagine.

Truth.

An arch is made of many stones, but every arch relies upon a single keystone. Remove that one keystone, and the entire arch collapses under the weight of its own elements.
Yeah, I'm planning on writing a note. I'm not really sure what to put in it as I want to explain why I'm going to ctb, but I want to avoid writing anything that could make them blame themselves. I guess that's pretty hard to do since they'll likely blame themselves regardless -I just want to try and soften it as much as possible and help them to come to peace as soon as possible. I don't want to leave them with more questions than answers so it's just a matter of writing the perfect note. Thanks for the reply, hugs
 
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The hands being on the rope is just survival instinct, an automatic reflex.
Yeah, exactly. Can't comprehend why the police said K did it in regret when he was almost certainly unconscious when he did that. My aunt must have felt horrible thinking he wanted to stay in the end but she was powerless to save him.
 
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