"Countless have it worse and they're not killing themselves"

[Exhausted546]

Okay? good for them. How is that supposed to convince me to stay alive? I don't care if it makes me seem weak

 

[Captive_Mind515]

It really infuriates me when people grade other people's suffering and make comparisons. It's not a damn competition.

 

[lilies.in.heaven]

It's not a damn competition.

Unfortunately, it's.
People are constantly searching for weakness at other people so they can attack them or feel superior.

Only real support (like partner or parents) will actually care (and some actually do not).

 

[Forever Sleep]

I hate that argument too. The next time they moan about something- tell them so many others have it worse. That there are people who would love to have their life. See if it works on them.

I knew of someone when they were young- didn't want to finish their dinner. Their Mum said- think of all the children starving in Afica who would love that food. The child replied- let's send it to them in an envelope then.

That's the thing- not to seem cruel but- what difference does it make to the person suffering more than us if we continue to live or not? Unless we know them of course. But, they're not dependent on us presumably. Plus- if we could give them our lives and better fortune- we likely would I imagine. So long as we could be free of our lives. So- it's not like we owe it to them to keep suffering too.

Maybe it would work if we found their struggle to live inspiring but, if we hate life- chances are, we probably won't.

 

[amor.dor]

That's a very manipulative phrase. It delegitimizes the victim's suffering.

I would reply: Good for them, but I'm not them.

 

[Ligottian]

My father would often say "It could be worse". I would come back with "And it could be better". He never had a reply for that.

 

[genie]

Survivor's bias.

 

[ginko0]

"Countless have it worse? Is that supposed to make me feel better??"

 

[Spite]

Yeah it's an asinine statement. I never understand how anyone can say that and think a suicidal person would ever feel better after hearing that.

 

[nitrogenous]

Okay? good for them. How is that supposed to convince me to stay alive? I don't care if it makes me seem weak

Honestly, those words on the title have always just made me worse off, if any makes me want to go ahead more with my plan and be like "ok, you said so, so here I go".

 

[Reishi]

Not everyone suffers the same , some people can take more then others ... we aren't all built the same .

 

[Daphne]

The people who are "worse off" would likely CTB if given the chance. It takes opportunity and a lot of gumption to check out. Poor folks don't have access to reliable methods and/or the knowledge to carry it out.
If euthanasia was universally available free of charge upon request, the "worse off" would be first in line.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

i would reply to any saying that to me.

why do you want me to risk something horrible happening to me ?

no one has it worse than me .but if i didn't have any problems something worse than the person suffering the most now can happen as it can to anyone

do you realize that i , you , any human can fall into a trap of unbearable pain any second ? just one example getting a brain stroke and being paralyzed in pain being able to only move the eyes. what's worth that or something worse?

if you want to take risks i don't care but don't try to tell me i have to . why do have to live another mintue? i don't have to live another minute nor another second.

i don't care if there were no pain or suffering or problems i still would want to exit this prison hell. it's my choice no one can convince me of anything different. it's no one's business what i do as long as don't violate another being's rights.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.STR.17.4.758

 

[dieingasap]

Ya I don't understand how they have will to survive and thrive in this world.
No matter in what situation or place I am I always want to kill myself
Ya I don't understand how they have will to survive and thrive in this world.
No matter in what situation or place I am I always want to kill myself

 

[SanagiMezamete]

It's a guilt trip, plain and simple. There is no reasoning to it, you're just supposed to feel bad and stop complaining.

 

[Grimlock]

Yeah, suffering is relative. This phrase gets brought up to shut down what would otherwise be an uncomfortable conversation. I mean, it is supposed to offer perspective but it just comes across as uncaring and dismissive, especially when you are already distressed. Suffering Olympics is the last thing anyone wants when they are already feeling horrible. In the end it is just an annoying thought terminating cliche that achieves nothing.

 

[Bitch With An Apple]

Yeah my two reactions to this line of thinking are:
1) Holy shit that is not a good thing, that's a problem. I definitely don't want to live in a world where it's already bad enough and it can get infinitely worse for no reason- AND people can be forced into accepting it anyway- AND I don't even know how bad it actually is to begin with. We have got to stop glorifying suffering and assuming it always fulfills a noble purpose because so much of it is pointless and is only harmful. Suffering usually means that something wrong is happening (as poorly defined as wrong is here)!!!! Why are we ignoring something so basic and intuitive?

2) There's a hidden appeal to external authority here. The point is that suicide is a personal decision and (in my opinion) the only time you're obligated to justify it to anyone else is when you have dependents (and even then, I think you have to have chosen to take on those dependents. Something vague like a "community" you didn't choose to be a part of or were coerced into giving superficial consent to being a part of doesn't count here, to me). Anyone can have any motivation they want because it's their life and they decide what to do with it, suffering doesn't even have to be a part of the equation. They get to decide for themselves if their desires are legitimate or illegitimate (and I do think this bears thinking about). It doesn't matter how unreasonable I or anyone else thinks it is because it isn't our fucking business.

 

[FuneralCry]

I find it so horrific and terrifying how there is no limit as to how much one can suffer in this painful, deeply undesirable and torturous existence, the amount of suffering and torture this existence causes is endless with existing beings tortured every second, there's just so much terrible cruelty to me in how humans do all they can to force others to suffer in this horrific, evil world, I always suffer so unbearably from how peaceful death is made into a crime, all I need is to painlessly cease existing so finally I can be at peace from this harmful, dreadful abomination.

 

[Sphinxi]

I think that this premise (that having a bad life leads to suicide) displays a radical misunderstanding of why people commit suicide, or are depressed, or it relies on a poor understanding of what makes a life good or bad:
Humans are usually very good at overcoming obstacles in their lives. In my experience, people who lose limbs, loved ones, their homes, communities, etc are usually able to overcome it fairly easily. Within a few years, their life satisfaction seems to be pretty high. This also goes for people in heavily impoverished and undeveloped parts of the world, and for premodern peoples, who we would all agree have a lower quality of life. Yet, suicide rates remain highest in developed countries.
I would say that depression and suicide are often a product of removing the things that allow people to cope with the regular friction of life. Note that many suicidal people often report being unable to deal with small things such as getting out of bed, speaking to others, and taking care of themselves. The weight crushing these people is, in my opinion, a lack of social interaction, sense of solidarity, and a sense of impact on the environment around them, not that they have "bad lives" (unless we define a bad life as having a life wherein a person is deprived of the things that allow a person to overcome obstacles).

I'm speaking generally with all of this though

 

[ceelobling]

Fuck you. I can end my life if I want to. This shit is unbearable, people have different tolerances for what they can take. Oh, my suffering doesn't mean anything? Fuck you. Do you have no sympathy? Fuck you.

 

[Himeasa]

That line is such a cliché that presupposes a duty to live and struggle despite any desire to the contrary, and per this line of reasoning the duty may be absolved only by some arbitrary measure of suffering—and since there is always somebody who suffers more, yet does not CTB, it can never be justified to kill yourself. How convenient.

But there is no self-evident obligation to live and continue struggling, and the experience of life and any value therein is completely and utterly subjective. Nobody signed up for this. Why should I have to be emotionally vested in my continued existence because somebody else who may have it materially worse still subjectively believes in the value of life? Why should one person's feelings be a measurement standard for other people's feelings? What gives?

It also disregards that people do CTB in all sorts of situations worse than the typical life of a person in the imperial core, but it goes unreported or is obfuscated via proxies of various self-destructive behaviours such as addiction or engaging in violence. Contingencies such as religiosity, different cultures, and social or technological limitations in considering or carrying out CTB also apply. It's a dishonest bullshit argument that deliberately obfuscates its nature being rooted in survivorship bias.

 

[Dan-Star-HI]

I suffer so much every day and I can't remember a time in my life when things were different and I suffered less. No one can understand how I feel and it's not even fair for anyone to judge how I feel. My pain is inside me, inside my heart, inside my mind, I feel it.

 

[inkmage333]

My mom says this so much including about her own family (e.g. "My family had it worse and we didn't kill ourselves")...as if we've had the same experiences and same way of dealing with things