Discussion Couldn't breathe after 20g table salt in 50ml water till drank more water

[x-Ace-x]

So I figured to try a table salt test to familiarize with part of the symptoms one may get by drinking SN and overall I'd say it wasn't that bad. Lost a few drops while mixing cause the cup was small but didn't see any difference before and after. Numbed the taste buds with toothpaste and it helped a bit.

Definitely the saltiest thing I've ever drunk but the aftertaste disappeared pretty quicky - after a minute or two.

Immediately after drinking, it felt like my throat closed down and couldn't take a single breath. Didn't wait very long and drank a little water after about 10 seconds. If it happens drinking SN and you don't have any extra water (not salty), in my situation, the saltiness could block the airways for some time. I imagine it could take more than 10 seconds but I'm not sure cause didn't wait longer than that.

Then started salivating A LOT non stop for about 5 minutes. The throat started to burn, felt a bit nauseous, low stomach discomfort, and a little dizzy but nothing too bad.

Imagining a scenario of drinking another SN mixture in case of vomiting was hard but possible, though as other members mentioned, one may just vomit it instantly, so no guarantee.

The next time I test it, I'm planning to drink it in 3-4 gulps instead of 1 big and not sure about the "quick shot to the back of throat" practice. Will try that and normally to see which is more comfortable.

Is it normal to be unable to breathe for 10 seconds or more after drinking salty things like that?

 

[Aftex]

This is not going to work, it's one thing to try and get used to the taste by drinking salt water but you are trying to experience the symptoms as well and they are different chemicals so you won't see the same symptoms.

 

[x-Ace-x]

This is not going to work, it's one thing to try and get used to the taste by drinking salt water but you are trying to experience the symptoms as well and they are different chemicals so you won't see the same symptoms.

Probably, but there are some similarities.

 

[Aftex]

Probably, but there are some similarities.

Sure they taste the same but sn enters the bloodstream to deprive it of oxygen where as saltwater isn't able to be processed properly by your kidneys so you need more water to flush it out.

 

[ceelo]

God i hope not, i can't be doing with dyspnea.

 

[x-Ace-x]

It's just my experience, can't say about anyone else. It wasn't very uncomfortable and not painful at all. Just wondering if others who had something salty experienced it.

 

[Crumbledank]

So I figured to try a table salt test to familiarize with part of the symptoms one may get by drinking SN and overall I'd say it wasn't that bad. Lost a few drops while mixing cause the cup was small but didn't see any difference before and after. Numbed the taste buds with toothpaste and it helped a bit.

Definitely the saltiest thing I've ever drunk but the aftertaste disappeared pretty quicky - after a minute or two.

Immediately after drinking, it felt like my throat closed down and couldn't take a single breath. Didn't wait very long and drank a little water after about 10 seconds. If it happens drinking SN and you don't have any extra water (not salty), in my situation, the saltiness could block the airways for some time. I imagine it could take more than 10 seconds but I'm not sure cause didn't wait longer than that.

Then started salivating A LOT non stop for about 5 minutes. The throat started to burn, felt a bit nauseous, low stomach discomfort, and a little dizzy but nothing too bad.

Imagining a scenario of drinking another SN mixture in case of vomiting was hard but possible, though as other members mentioned, one may just vomit it instantly, so no guarantee.

The next time I test it, I'm planning to drink it in 3-4 gulps instead of 1 big and not sure about the "quick shot to the back of throat" practice. Will try that and normally to see which is more comfortable.

Is it normal to be unable to breathe for 10 seconds or more after drinking salty things like that?

Be careful. 20g sounds like close to a fatal dose of salt in adults.

A Systematic Review of Fatalities Related to Acute Ingestion of Salt. A Need for Warning Labels?

There are sporadic cases of fatalities from acutely eating salt. Yet, on social media, there are “challenges to” and examples of children and some adults acutely eating salt, and recently a charity advocated eating small amounts of salt ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ceelo]

It's just my experience, can't say about anyone else. It wasn't very uncomfortable and not painful at all. Just wondering if others who had somthing salty experienced it.

not being able to breathes a bit of a thing for me, it'd be hell and i'd panic, literally everything else i can do but nt that.,

 

[x-Ace-x]

Be careful. 20g sounds like close to a fatal dose of salt in adults.

A Systematic Review of Fatalities Related to Acute Ingestion of Salt. A Need for Warning Labels?

There are sporadic cases of fatalities from acutely eating salt. Yet, on social media, there are “challenges to” and examples of children and some adults acutely eating salt, and recently a charity advocated eating small amounts of salt ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

But it mentions < 5 tablespoons, which is ~ 85.35g according to this website: https://www.inchcalculator.com/convert/tablespoon-salt-to-gram-salt/.

 

[Aap]

Don't do that again

 

[x-Ace-x]

Don't do that again

Why?

 

[Living sucks]

****WARNING********

To anyone reading this!
you are at risk of death, or organ damage, if you attempt to drink large quantities of salt like this.

This isn't a method that requires "testing" or trying or practicing like PH!

SN works if done properly.

 

[yetme]

yeah 20g of salt could be fatal. it can dangerously rise your blood pressure. I once took too much salt (in the form of a supplement but none the less) . I had to call the ambulance, my heart beat became irregular and I had heartaches for 3 months after that. so be careful!

 

[Aap]

Dying from too much salt (hypernatremia) isn't pleasant.

the effects causing ctb from salt are unrelated to SN, and you won't "get used to" the salty taste.

 

[ZardozOmega]

Sounds very unpleasant. When I decide to CTB I'll drink the SN dissolved in 200ml of water. It seems a lot of the unpleasantness comes from the fact that we're drinking a very concentrated solution of a soluble salt.

 

[WhatIsMyLife]

Sounds very unpleasant. When I decide to CTB I'll drink the SN dissolved in 200ml of water. It seems a lot of the unpleasantness comes from the fact that we're drinking a very concentrated solution of a soluble salt.

Do not do 200ml of water. This will cause you to throw up more, thus reducing chance of being fatal. 50ml only.

 

[ZardozOmega]

Do not do 200ml of water. This will cause you to throw up more, thus reducing chance of being fatal. 50ml only.

I'll take that chance. Sounds better than suffocating. I'll double the domperidone dose.

 

[Living sucks]

Sounds very unpleasant. When I decide to CTB I'll drink the SN dissolved in 200ml of water. It seems a lot of the unpleasantness comes from the fact that we're drinking a very concentrated solution of a soluble salt.

The reason you ctb is the concentration. If you dilute it you weaken it. 100ml is the max recommended. You risk failure with 200ml.
And salt and SN have completely different mechanisms of action in how they Can cause death. So you can't compare the 2.
follow the SN guidelines or risk failing.

 

[x-Ace-x]

But in terms of taste they're similar, not the cause of death. I thought if a regular salt can cause inability to breathe for a short period of time, why SN couldn't?

 

[ZardozOmega]

The reason you ctb is the concentration. If you dilute it you weaken it. 100ml is the max recommended. You risk failure with 200ml.
And salt and SN have completely different mechanisms of action in how they Can cause death. So you can't compare the 2.
follow the SN guidelines or risk failing.

i guess it's also somewhat the amount of SN you're consuming. i'm pretty sure i'm gonna be fail if I start to make loud noises trying to grasp for air. if i fail i'll post about it here

 

[Living sucks]

i guess it's also somewhat the amount of SN you're consuming. i'm pretty sure i'm gonna be fail if I start to make loud noises trying to grasp for air. if i fail i'll post about it here

Not somewhat, the amount of SN and water IS the cause of death.

 

[x-Ace-x]

I'll take that chance. Sounds better than suffocating. I'll double the domperidone dose.

Just because it happened to me, doesn't mean will happen to you as well. I've never seen anyone saying drinking that amount of salt causes the inability to breathe for few seconds, so I may be the unlucky one lol.

Personally I didn't worry much about it cause it lasted only few seconds and had water.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

@x-Ace-x, I commend what you're trying to do by approaching the method with scientific experimentation. See my journal here, posts 2, 4, and 12. Note the comment that warned me against a dose of salt equal to a dose of SN, it can be damaging and even fatal. I tested with a lower amount of salt and documented the symptoms over a long period before finally aborting the experiment and flushing with water. I, too, experienced breathing symptoms, as well as others.

I've also documented elsewhere on the forum that I tested my SN with blood, but I couldn't generate enough blood to make decent drops, it didn't drip at all, it just beaded up a bit, so I dabbed some SN on the wound, and my blood turned the appropriate color. However, within 5-10 minutes, I felt warmth go from the wound up my arm and down into my chest. I started having breathing restrictions. So I flushed by drinking water, and I quickly recovered.

Personally, I think if your body is already telling you that you will have an adverse negative reaction to the amount of salt you ingested, it would be unwise to increase the amount and try again.

 

[Good4Nothing]

Hold up... If ingesting too much salt can be fatal, then why aren't people just eating salt to CTB?

 

[x-Ace-x]

@x-Ace-x, I commend what you're trying to do by approaching the method with scientific experimentation. See my journal here, posts 2, 4, and 12. Note the comment that warned me against a dose of salt equal to a dose of SN, it can be damaging and even fatal. I tested with a lower amount of salt and documented the symptoms over a long period before finally aborting the experiment and flushing with water. I, too, experienced breathing symptoms, as well as others.

I've also documented elsewhere on the forum that I tested my SN with blood, but I couldn't generate enough blood to make decent drops, it didn't drip at all, it just beaded up a bit, so I dabbed some SN on the wound, and my blood turned the appropriate color. However, within 5-10 minutes, I felt warmth go from the wound up my arm and down into my chest. I started having breathing restrictions. So I flushed by drinking water, and I quickly recovered.

Personally, I think if your body is already telling you that you will have an adverse negative reaction to the amount of salt you ingested, it would be unwise to increase the amount and try again.

I mean it wasn't that bad. Didn't feel like I ingested something before after ~ 1-2h I'd say. Maybe a stomach discomfort lasted a few hours after but I doubt it's because of salt . Hadn't eaten normally for 2 days, only few drinks and a couple of snacks.

I won't test it again with the same 20g amount, maybe 5 or 10g max. The only thing I'd like to know is either quick shot to the back of throat or drinking it in 3-4 gulps is better (or maybe 3-4 gulps won't cause any breathing issues).

 

[Living sucks]

Hold up... If ingesting too much salt can be fatal, then why aren't people just eating salt to CTB?

Read this thread! You can try BUT it's Just not viable. I thought the same but it didn't go well.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/salt-method-for-those-that-cant-get-sn.38662/

 

[Neville1]

Hold up... If ingesting too much salt can be fatal, then why aren't people just eating salt to CTB?

Ctb by table salt is slow (takes a long time), painful and failure could leave one brain damaged. Being rescued is more likely due to it being slow.

According to Canadian study,

Ingestion of as little as two tablespoons of salt has been reported to increase serum sodium levels by as much as 30 mmol/L with the potential to cause severe irreversible neurological damage

Death results from brain pressing against the skull.

 

[autumnal]

So I figured to try a table salt test to familiarize with part of the symptoms one may get by drinking SN and overall I'd say it wasn't that bad. Lost a few drops while mixing cause the cup was small but didn't see any difference before and after. Numbed the taste buds with toothpaste and it helped a bit.

Definitely the saltiest thing I've ever drunk but the aftertaste disappeared pretty quicky - after a minute or two.

Immediately after drinking, it felt like my throat closed down and couldn't take a single breath. Didn't wait very long and drank a little water after about 10 seconds. If it happens drinking SN and you don't have any extra water (not salty), in my situation, the saltiness could block the airways for some time. I imagine it could take more than 10 seconds but I'm not sure cause didn't wait longer than that.

Then started salivating A LOT non stop for about 5 minutes. The throat started to burn, felt a bit nauseous, low stomach discomfort, and a little dizzy but nothing too bad.

Imagining a scenario of drinking another SN mixture in case of vomiting was hard but possible, though as other members mentioned, one may just vomit it instantly, so no guarantee.

The next time I test it, I'm planning to drink it in 3-4 gulps instead of 1 big and not sure about the "quick shot to the back of throat" practice. Will try that and normally to see which is more comfortable.

Is it normal to be unable to breathe for 10 seconds or more after drinking salty things like that?

I really can't overstate how risky, stupid and pointless the actions taken by you were.

Any place on the forum which suggests using regular kitchen salt as a taste-test should also clearly be telling you to only use small amounts, and not to use quantities similar to SN. Kitchen salt can itself be toxic, although not in a remotely similar way to SN.

Please do not taste-test kitchen salt in those quantities again.

Other members, please never taste-test kitchen salt in those quantities.

I'll also add this because you seem like it may be a possibility:
Do not taste-test actual SN in any quantity.

Probably, but there are some similarities.

No, no there aren't. Not apart from taste, which you can get from using a small amount of kitchen salt.

I'll take that chance. Sounds better than suffocating. I'll double the domperidone dose.

No, that's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

Do not use more than the recommended amount of water.

Hold up... If ingesting too much salt can be fatal, then why aren't people just eating salt to CTB?

Because it's not quick or peaceful.

@x-Ace-x, I commend what you're trying to do by approaching the method with scientific experimentation. [...]

With respect, and this is not just me being argumentative or a matter of semantics, nothing done by the OP is even remotely comparable with 'scientific experimentation'. Scientific experimentation would involve a review of relevant background information beforehand, and this would have quickly led them to realise that (a) you only need a small amount of kitchen salt for a taste test to simulate SN, (b) kitchen salt itself is toxic in the amounts used and (c) there is nothing at all similar about the mechanism of death from kitchen salt compared to SN.

Doing some basic research, or asking questions of other members, before their 'experiment' would have saved them both discomfort and subsequent critique. The only valid contribution the OP has made is as an example of what not to do, and why not to do it. But that information was already clearly available, and there is no need for someone to make themselves into a human reminder of those facts.

 

[x-Ace-x]

I really can't overstate how risky, stupid and pointless the actions taken by you were.

Any place on the forum which suggests using regular kitchen salt as a taste-test should also clearly be telling you to only use small amounts, and not to use quantities similar to SN. Kitchen salt can itself be toxic, although not in a remotely similar way to SN.

Please do not taste-test kitchen salt in those quantities again.

Other members, please never taste-test kitchen salt in those quantities.

I'll also add this because you seem like it may be a possibility:
Do not taste-test actual SN in any quantity.




No, no there aren't. Not apart from taste, which you can get from using a small amount of kitchen salt.



No, that's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

Do not use more than the recommended amount of water.



Because it's not quick or peaceful.



With respect, and this is not just me being argumentative or a matter of semantics, nothing done by the OP is even remotely comparable with 'scientific experimentation'. Scientific experimentation would involve a review of relevant background information beforehand, and this would have quickly led them to realise that (a) you only need a small amount of kitchen salt for a taste test to simulate SN, (b) kitchen salt itself is toxic in the amounts used and (c) there is nothing at all similar about the mechanism of death from kitchen salt compared to SN.

Doing some basic research, or asking questions of other members, before their 'experiment' would have saved them both discomfort and subsequent critique. The only valid contribution the OP has made is as an example of what not to do, and why not to do it. But that information was already clearly available, and there is no need for someone to make themselves into a human reminder of those facts.

I admit that wasn't very smart but when I used small quantities (1-3g), it didn't block my throat. Now I know what to expect when taking 20g of SN in terms of taste. Some people gonna follow the PPH practice and take 25g of it (or even 35g if over 100kg). Just wanted to share what happened to me after tasting that amount.

Other members did this test as well and they didn't describe any very uncomfortable symptoms from it so I figured to take a shot as well.

 

[autumnal]

I admit that wasn't very smart but when I used small quantities (1-3g), it didn't block my throat. Now I know what to expect when taking 20g of SN in terms of taste. Some people gonna follow the PPH practice and take 25g of it (or even 35g, which is crazy if over 100kg). Just wanted to share what happened to me after tasting that amount.

Other members did this test as well and they didn't describe any very uncomfortable symptoms from it so I figured to take a shot as well.

Not to harp on about it, but I need to make sure it is very clear to both you and other members that a much smaller quantity of kitchen salt would have given you the same experience of what SN would taste like, and would have avoided any potential toxicity or throat-blocking effects. You already knew what to expect from SN in terms of taste from your earlier 1–3g kitchen salt tests. You did not need to do further tests with 20g. Doing so was both dangerous and irrelevant.

Sodium nitrite (SN) is twice as soluble as sodium chloride (regular table/kitchen salt). So this means SN dissolves twice as readily in water as kitchen salt does. The reason why your throat was blocked was likely because you drank a mixture of something twice as 'thick' as SN would have been. For this reason, there is nothing to be learned from your experience that is in any way relevant to the SN method.

Perhaps someone with vastly more chemistry knowledge than me (@Quarky00 or @Aap perhaps) could provide an estimation of the 'correct' amount of table salt to mix in with the relevant (to SN protocol) amount of water to provide a mixture which both resembles the salinity of SN by taste (or sea water, or whatever else anecdotal accounts compare it to) while still staying well clear of toxic levels, as well as having a similar viscosity as the SN mixture would.

I'm not trying to attack you personally, but it's important that these kind of misconceptions are fully and clearly addressed, and from your response it still didn't seem like you fully understood the reasons why your actions simply weren't relevant at all to the SN method.

This is a suicide methods forum. There are very few topics discussed here on which one can or should just 'figure to take a shot' at something. Always seek advice or confirmation first.