alizee

alizee

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Jul 22, 2018
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Anyone consider using one of the small handheld powered saws for suicide?

I've been thinking about using one for awhile and compared to other methods because it seems like an easy guarantee of death. Specifically if just holding the saw at an angle and where you use momentum to swing it into the neck (hitting the carotid artery).

The gruesome part compared to a drop or suspension hanging is the only apparent downside I've considered. But with using earplugs and maybe taking some drugs. I'm thinking it wouldn't be that bad with getting one's psych ready for it. Anyway I'm curious about anyones thoughts towards this method.
 
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Trying to be as polite as possible here, but that's fucking crazy. Please don't do that.
 
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alizee

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Trying to be as polite as possible here, but that's fucking crazy. Please don't do that.
I don't see it as crazy. Obviously, It would be nice to just receive an injection from a doctor but I'm not living in a great society to receive that. Bleeding out to unconsciousness would be a few minutes in the worst case and best case being less than a minute.
 
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You think you could honestly do that to yourself though? That has to be one of the worst ways to go, besides drowning/being burned alive, etc. Plus you could end up surviving and being left with no choice but to live in that condition...
 
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You think you could honestly do that to yourself though? That has to be one of the worst ways to go, besides drowning/being burned alive, etc. Plus you could end up surviving and being left with no choice but to live in that condition...
I've had wood & metal shop when I was young. Realistically I doubt there is failure with knowing how fast the cut would happen, with little to no force needed and how deep the cut would be.

I've researched survival rate for carotid artery and it's low when the cut is done with a knife. An electric blade for cutting wood will leave a huge gash/tear compared to a knife incision.

I thought this site wasn't for people to discourage potential methods that will work.
 
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I'm at a point where I'm thinking about doing this. Some animals lose consciousness almost immediately when their carotids are cut, but unfortunately humans aren't one of them. May not be the best method, but it's a method. There's no perfect method, so all of them get disagreement on here.
 
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Yeah, well, I think it's a desoerate way to do it, but if you choose it, it's ok. But consider that it is morbid, or it will be morbid too for the ones who will find your body, and as others said, it will probably take you a few minutes to die... But, you're choosing a Old school way to leave, and I think it is a brave decisión.
Honestly who cares about the persons finding a suicide victim of life. Or maybe I should phrase it how the suicide person shouldn't care. I've witnessed in life that nobody will do any action for anyone besides thinking about it or voicing they care. Further it's ridiculous to be the caring person when you desire to die. Everything I read online when it comes to medical research voices minutes being rare but an actual minute likely. I think about hanging but it seems like actual survival risk with how the body can react violently when unconscious and potentially alert someone. Thanks for the reply.
 
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Sorry, I didn't know what I was talking about, just forget it, it has been stupid... I was just imagining, how hard it could be after to clean the mess, or to do it, but it is ok I know it. It's just as hard as jump from a high place, but at least its a way...
 
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Anyone consider using one of the small handheld powered saws for suicide?

I've been thinking about using one for awhile and compared to other methods because it seems like an easy guarantee of death. Specifically if just holding the saw at an angle and where you use momentum to swing it into the neck (hitting the carotid artery).

The gruesome part compared to a drop or suspension hanging is the only apparent downside I've considered. But with using earplugs and maybe taking some drugs. I'm thinking it wouldn't be that bad with getting one's psych ready for it. Anyway I'm curious about anyones thoughts towards this method.

Lovely!
 
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alizee

alizee

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Jul 22, 2018
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Sorry, I didn't know what I was talking about, just forget it, it has been stupid... I was just imagining, how hard it could be after to clean the mess, or to do it, but it is ok I know it. It's just as hard as jump from a high place, but at least its a way...
No problem, I even think jumping is risky compared to this method. I've read how a person has jumped from seven stories and survived. Even can read how someone who jumped out of a plan with parachute failing and survived the impact. The brain shuts down very fast when blood is cut off and it's very hard for surgeons to repair this kind of injury. Thanks for writing your thoughts anyway.
 
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I've had wood & metal shop when I was young. Realistically I doubt there is failure with knowing how fast the cut would happen, with little to no force needed and how deep the cut would be.

I've researched survival rate for carotid artery and it's low when the cut is done with a knife. An electric blade for cutting wood will leave a huge gash/tear compared to a knife incision.

I thought this site wasn't for people to discourage potential methods that will work.
I'm not discouraging your method by any means, if you want to go through with that then be my guest. I'm just saying there are many more practical, peaceful, and fail-proof methods out there.
 
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Jul 22, 2018
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I'm not discouraging your method by any means, if you want to go through with that then be my guest. I'm just saying there are many more practical, peaceful, and fail-proof methods out there.
What other methods have guarantee of someone not being able to be saved?
 
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Roadkill

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Dec 25, 2018
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I've thought about using a chain saw to cut my head off, but I know I am too much of a pussy to try it... my only possible methods will be a shotgun, hanging, or decapitation using a hanging rope and a car
 
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JWL

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I'm thinking of using a jigsaw.

I want to make my death a bit of a puzzle for those left behind...
 
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Dutch

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I thought this site wasn't for people to discourage potential methods that will work.

Some people come up with really sick methods, and i think it's fine if someone let others know that they disagree on a method. Same with people that wanna jump infront of a train and dont think that the train driver care at all. it's really ridicilous.
by the way, i think suicide with an electric saw is very sick to do, if your family gonna find you or a friend, they will be traumatized for the rest of their life, if they see all the blood... but who am i to disagree? my method gonna be SN and allot people dont like it to.
 
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Honestly who cares about the persons finding a suicide victim of life. Or maybe I should phrase it how the suicide person shouldn't care. I've witnessed in life that nobody will do any action for anyone besides thinking about it or voicing they care. Further it's ridiculous to be the caring person when you desire to die. Everything I read online when it comes to medical research voices minutes being rare but an actual minute likely. I think about hanging but it seems like actual survival risk with how the body can react violently when unconscious and potentially alert someone. Thanks for the reply.

No one in real life gives a shit about anyone but themselves and their loved ones i.e family and close friends so why should I give a flying fuck about how it will affect a random person/persons who finds my body when these people with 99.999% certainty wouldn´t be giving a shit about me if I was alive.

Also to OP look up https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5042023/Teen-murdered-teacher-killed-death-game.html
there are pictures of his suicide on some sites he used an electric saw to kill himself.
 
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WhiteRabbit

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No one in real life gives a shit about anyone but themselves and their loved ones i.e family and close friends so why should I give a flying fuck about how it will affect a random person/persons who finds my body when these people with 99.999% certainty wouldn´t be giving a shit about me if I was alive.

Also to OP look up https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5042023/Teen-murdered-teacher-killed-death-game.html
there are pictures of his suicide on some sites he used an electric saw to kill himself.

While it may feel this way, this isn't true.

I would be really upset if someone jumped in front of my car of something.
 
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While it may feel this way, this isn't true.

I would be really upset if someone jumped in front of my car of something.
But that isn´t the same as people finding a dead body in the woods or at a park because they would only find a dead body if someone jumped in front of your car you would actually have killed them in a way plus it would put you in danger and damage your car.
 
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Psilo

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Dec 29, 2018
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I have to say some of you guys don't lack imagination, but you're delusional.

Remember one think tho, if you fail this method: you won't be cut clean like a knife, you'll lose matter at least the tickness of the blade.

My dad once cut himself mistakenly in the leg while cutting floor, he had a 10 cm shred of flesh hanging.

This is a messy method and don't get me wrong but you'll never get the balls to do it, I couldn't I know that saw enough of that.
 
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Lara Francis

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Anyone consider using one of the small handheld powered saws for suicide?

I've been thinking about using one for awhile and compared to other methods because it seems like an easy guarantee of death. Specifically if just holding the saw at an angle and where you use momentum to swing it into the neck (hitting the carotid artery).

The gruesome part compared to a drop or suspension hanging is the only apparent downside I've considered. But with using earplugs and maybe taking some drugs. I'm thinking it wouldn't be that bad with getting one's psych ready for it. Anyway I'm curious about anyones thoughts towards this method.
Could u really do that ?
I guess it would be quick but that minimal time limit of a minute would be the longest minute of your life.i personally would not entertain this method but each to their own.
 
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But that isn´t the same as people finding a dead body in the woods or at a park because they would only find a dead body if someone jumped in front of your car you would actually have killed them in a way plus it would put you in danger and damage your car.

I would feel upset if I found someone half decapitated from a saw. I'd probably have nightmares for the rest of my life.

My point is, saying that "No one in real life gives a shit about anyone but themselves and their loved ones i.e family and close friends." is untrue, even if it may feel that way sometimes. Hell, I feel sad when I read a "goodbye i'm ctb" post on this site, even though I didn't technically know the person. Not everyone is cold and uncaring, and i'm sorry that your experiances have made you believe otherwise.
 
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I would feel upset if I found someone half decapitated from a saw. I'd probably have nightmares for the rest of my life.

My point is, saying that "No one in real life gives a shit about anyone but themselves and their loved ones i.e family and close friends." is untrue, even if it may feel that way sometimes. Hell, I feel sad when I read a "goodbye i'm ctb" post on this site, even though I didn't technically know the person. Not everyone is cold and uncaring, and i'm sorry that your experiances have made you believe otherwise.
I am sure most people would be traumatized by see someone dead with his head half cut off in a pool of blood but I was talking just finding someone in the woods that had hanged themselves or even just a gunshot wound to the head from a pistol.

And it´s not something I think it´s the truth! Here is an example, assuming I talked to a psychologist do you think his life would be ruined when I ctb? That he will think of me every single day for the rest of his life like my parents most likely will? No he wouldn´t he might "feel bad" that one of his clients ctb and he couldn´t save them but he doesn´t give a shit about me, even the people I talk to on discord sure we have gotten to know each other a little but when I kill myself it won´t matter much because we haven´t known each other all life like family or childhood friends it takes A LONG TIME to form a strong attachment to people.
 
WhiteRabbit

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I am sure most people would be traumatized by see someone dead with his head half cut off in a pool of blood but I was talking just finding someone in the woods that had hanged themselves or even just a gunshot wound to the head from a pistol.

And it´s not something I think it´s the truth! Here is an example, assuming I talked to a psychologist do you think his life would be ruined when I ctb? That he will think of me every single day for the rest of his life like my parents most likely will? No he wouldn´t he might "feel bad" that one of his clients ctb and he couldn´t save them but he doesn´t give a shit about me, even the people I talk to on discord sure we have gotten to know each other a little but when I kill myself it won´t matter much because we haven´t known each other all life like family or childhood friends it takes A LONG TIME to form a strong attachment to people.

I don't think that you need to have formed a super long term relationship with someone to give a shit about them, but I get what you're saying.
 
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alizee

alizee

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Jul 22, 2018
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I think people here are making a lot of assumptions and without real evidence in how they view if people care or not. Similar to what pro life persons do with the it may get better slogan. I don't think people really care because suicide isn't really an act that society cares in preventing. The bare minimum goes forward if anything at all and for the persons who lose their loved ones to think society does care. Do I think even the loved ones really care? No, I think the emotion they will have either becomes selfishness or personal trauma. Where the values conditioned in us all by society mixes up their thoughts into assuming they actually care.

Further, any death a person may associate with being a suicide, is going to have a moment of dread and it's true for all methods available. Even a person getting an injection or consumable form of an end of life drug from a medical professional. The person will experience a moment of being just as terrified as pulling a trigger, swinging a saw, jumping off a ledge, and or whatever the method may be. Psychologically it all equates to death and that's where the real fear is for a moment unless the person is deluded with pointlessness conditioning to care elsewhere. Unless the fear is of how a particular method might be extremely painful compared to another method with the possibility of failing.

Anyway I think this is a method that's successful in not able to recover. If anyone has taken woods or metal shop before. They should realize how fast a blade will cut into a person. People lose fingers without caution all the time when it comes to the band saw. You literally could have your head be cut right off from the neck in mere seconds if someone raised the guard too high. Swinging a handheld saw at the neck is pretty much the end.
 
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More power to you if you have the willpower
 
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be aware ppl have flinched and screwed up ctb with firearms, and thats pulling a trigger. your plan involves swinging an electric circular saw at your neck. look up hesitation wounds. theres a lot more flesh to get your artery than you think. and no matter how much willpower you think you have, youre going to recoil when th blade touches you.

i think this is a good method to do if you want your last moments to be in extreme pain and agony. theres a reason why this is an unheard of method.
 
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Specifically if just holding the saw at an angle and where you use momentum to swing it into the neck (hitting the carotid artery).
Bruh. I'm gonna be 100% with you homie...
No.
But I'll go into more detail...
If you're intent on a method being gory and/or reliable , go for shotgun.
Way too much potential for something to go wrong in this situation. Half of the people that try it will either hesitate or not die quick and pull the saw away in instinct, then VERY PAINFULLY bleed out over the next few minutes.
 
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alizee

alizee

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Jul 22, 2018
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be aware ppl have flinched and screwed up ctb with firearms, and thats pulling a trigger. your plan involves swinging an electric circular saw at your neck. look up hesitation wounds. theres a lot more flesh to get your artery than you think. and no matter how much willpower you think you have, youre going to recoil when th blade touches you.

i think this is a good method to do if you want your last moments to be in extreme pain and agony. theres a reason why this is an unheard of method.

"The artery is the black area, about 2cm below the skin itself (the bright white just above the black is the wall of the artery). All of the other light grey stuff is skin and soft tissue"
source: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-the-carotid-artery-lies-just-below-the-surface

Hesitation isn't something to be worried about for me. I know I could always setup a drop system (where I lay my neck on a surface) and the saw not being handheld but larger has it come downwards with the springs removed. Although I think handheld is better because I've used one a lot when growing up and 3-4cm is like nothing to nick. Most people (myself included) don't even realize they've been cut until after the fact.
 
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alizee

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Bruh. I'm gonna be 100% with you homie...
No.
But I'll go into more detail...
If you're intent on a method being gory and/or reliable , go for shotgun.
Way too much potential for something to go wrong in this situation. Half of the people that try it will either hesitate or not die quick and pull the saw away in instinct, then VERY PAINFULLY bleed out over the next few minutes.
Shotgun imo is less reliable and more prone for something to go wrong. Depends on the gauge of the shotgun but I would rather have a saw blade that only needs to go a few cm deep (see previous reply). I don't really see this as a gory method because death is fast compared to other methods. Trauma for the person finding the body sadly but It's that way for most methods.
 
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goxua

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Jan 28, 2019
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I get it. I studied mechanical engineering at uni and working a lathe machine was wild. Maybe we're densensitised because we're just so familiar working with these industrial machines and tools. And you're right. Injuries came with the territory.

To me, your idea ain't so different to using a gun but I understand why you're interested in using a tool you're familiar with and have good knowledge of.
 
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