Was just testing out a 4 cycle gasoline portable generator for use in CO method. Runs for 10 hours on a full tank, barely generates any heat and the exhaust isn't that bad to breath. Only downside is it is loud as fuck. I definitely got a bit of a headache and light headed. Also when going back to fresh air my chest hurt for a while. Any suggestions on how to make this method more comfortable or effective? I know no one hardly ever responds to my posts on here, but worth a shot.
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bbq1
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- Aug 3, 2018
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I looked into hiring a honda 20i
You can hardly hear it.
Just the other pollutants coming out the exhaust other than CO put me off.
You can hardly hear it.
Just the other pollutants coming out the exhaust other than CO put me off.
Yeah, it's not exactly enjoyable, but totally tolerable. I can't afford a Honda. Got a champion. It should do the trick just fine.
bbq1
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- Aug 3, 2018
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Leaf blowers, strimmers, chainsaws too, all have similar potential, if left running in a small space.
Yeah, but a generator is meant to run for hours. I have most confidence in them. Going to run it inside my sealed car inside a closed garage. Should be pretty quick.
RoloTomasi
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- Jul 21, 2018
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Maybe by letting the CO build up for hours, unconsciousness will be reached faster, that and already being drowsy with the help of sedatives and alchohol. If you can get a CO meter, you can find out how much time is needed, though a large fraction of CO is also lost when opening that sealed space.
She forgot to mention that the gasoline generator creates massive amount of CO2
"As expected, a linear decrease of the oxygen and an increase of the carbon dioxide were seen during the first 14 minutes." (quote article)
In the article the relationship during the first 14 minutes is depicted in a diagram showing oxygen levels decreasing from 21 % to 14 % and carbon dioxide increasing from 0 % to 3-4 %.
The gasoline generator sounds seductive but large amount of CO2 is also produced. CO methods that dont produce are CO2 is advisable because they give a smoother ride.
Well considering the fact that she is pro life i want give word of caution to her advice. Some of her advice can even be dangerous and increase likelihood of brain damage by promoting methods that are ineffective to deliver hypoxia.
Blue flame - complete combustion = only CO2
When burning propane the blue flame is considered safe because it only gives carbon dioxide
propane + oxygen = water + carbon dioxide
Yellow flame - incomplete combustion = CO2 and CO
Yellow flame produces both carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide
gas + oxygen = water + carbon dioxide + carbon monoxide
"As expected, a linear decrease of the oxygen and an increase of the carbon dioxide were seen during the first 14 minutes." (quote article)
In the article the relationship during the first 14 minutes is depicted in a diagram showing oxygen levels decreasing from 21 % to 14 % and carbon dioxide increasing from 0 % to 3-4 %.
The gasoline generator sounds seductive but large amount of CO2 is also produced. CO methods that dont produce are CO2 is advisable because they give a smoother ride.
Well considering the fact that she is pro life i want give word of caution to her advice. Some of her advice can even be dangerous and increase likelihood of brain damage by promoting methods that are ineffective to deliver hypoxia.
Blue flame - complete combustion = only CO2
When burning propane the blue flame is considered safe because it only gives carbon dioxide
propane + oxygen = water + carbon dioxide
Yellow flame - incomplete combustion = CO2 and CO
Yellow flame produces both carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide
gas + oxygen = water + carbon dioxide + carbon monoxide
Well thank you for the very useful information. I'm aware that the generators exhaust mainly produces nitrogen carbondioxide and some others. The last being CO. But there's hundreds of accidental deaths every year from them, so I figured deliberate use shouldn't be too bad.
In my post above you can note that oxygen levels dropped to 14 % after 14 minutes
"With approximately 14 vol. % of oxygen in the air the engine started sputtering because of the lack of fresh air, but continued to run at a lower speed until the experiment was stopped after 25 minutes." (quote from same article)
So if you were to play with this toy you should probably wait about 5-10 minutes!? Its difficult to say how long the engine would run with low levels of oxygen.
"In the open trunk of the car, there was a gas-powered generator which was switched on, but no longer running; the tank was about tree quarters full." (quote from same article)
If he had full tank the generator could have ran for some time (these generators can run for some hours?).
Charcoal vs generator (in car)
Charcoal would also produce CO2 and not produce carbon monoxide until oxygen levels decreased in the car. Still many had great success with charcoal method.
Hmm...didn't consider the oxygen levels affecting engine performance. Yes, under regular conditions, they'll run for 10 hours or so on idle.
I am interested in this method and wanted to ask a few questions. Given that the generators will slow down due to lack of oxygen and shut off would they still able to produce enough carbon monoxide to reliably ensure death? This thread has mentioned that the carbon dioxide produced is a bad thing so along that line I was wondering what types of pain would the CO2 induce?
