Method CO method in bathroom?

[Lack-of-Everything]

Hi folks,

I'm investigating the CO method, and although I've read several threads I still have a number of questions. Please bear in mind I'm autistic (not the high IQ kind), ADHD, brain damaged and multiply learning disabled, so please forgive me for asking questions that have been answered previously—I want to ensure I haven't misunderstood what I've learned here (btw, if I sound at all capable to you, that's because this post has been written with the help of a friend on this forum).

If I choose the CO method, I'm planning to burn the charcoal on 1-2 grill(s) in the garden, then put them in the bathroom and secure the door and windows with duct tape.

My questions, in no particular order, are thus:

1. Equipment: 1-2 grills; chimney starter; blowtorch; approx 20kg lumpwood charcoal; oven gloves; 1-4 buckets (if grills don't fit in bathroom); heat mats for buckets. Plus: alcohol; benzos; codeine; possibly goggles. Anything else? I've seen CO meters mentioned.
2. Is there a specific type of grill that works best, or better than others?
3. As 2, but regarding grills to avoid?
4. The space is about 2 x 2.5 x 2.5 meters. Would 20kg charcoal suffice for one person?
5. As 4, but for two people, if I find a partner?
6. Will one grill suffice?
7. There are exposed pipes in the bathroom. Does this pose a problem? FWIW, the central heating is oil.
8. From what I've read so far, apparently lumpwood charcoal is better than briquettes. However, is there a way of testing the quality of the lumpwood?
9. So, the method is to burn the charcoal until it goes grey and ashy, and has stopped producing smoke
10. Is it okay if it's still glowing, or some of it is?
11. Approximately how long should it take to burn the amount of lumpwood required ?
12. Should the grill(s) be brought into the bathroom immediately after the charcoal has turned grey?
13. Does it matter whether I put the grill(s) in the bathroom, or transfer the charcoal to buckets?
14. The benzos I have obtained are Clonazepam 500mcg. I'm 166cm and approximately 88.5kg (if sex and age are a factor, I'm female and 37, but prematurely peri-menopausal so biologically maybe 15 years older?). Would one be enough to make me drowsy, if I take it with, say 300ml neat vodka?

I appreciate that's a lot of questions. I just want to ensure I've got everything correct, because getting it wrong could obviously land me (and possibly a partner) in an even worse state than now.

Thank you in advance.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Hi there, thanks for the well-organized list. I don't know everything about this method but I can say 5 things:

1. 20kg is a shitload of charcoal! More than enough.

2. Camping grills come pretty small. Those are better than buckets because they have feet = airflow. A bucket would just be hot metal on your floor.

3. .5mg Klonopin should chill you out...with vodka it might knock you out for a long time! I did that recreationally once and was unrousable for like 16 hours. Just took one, might have been 1mg or 2mg though.

4. Sealing off your space after entering should be done very quickly. Maybe even in seconds while holding your breath. Ideally you let the space fill with CO, then go in.

5. You should buy a CO meter (or several) and do practice runs. If you can reliably get a high CO concentration in your space, while not making a hazard for others, you're golden.

P.S. watch out for the smoke/CO detectors your home already has!

 

[Lack-of-Everything]

Hi there, thanks for the well-organized list. I don't know everything about this method but I can say 5 things:

1. 20kg is a shitload of charcoal! More than enough.

2. Camping grills come pretty small. Those are better than buckets because they have feet = airflow. A bucket would just be hot metal on your floor.

3. .5mg Klonopin should chill you out...with vodka it might knock you out for a long time! I did that recreationally once and was unrousable for like 16 hours. Just took one, might have been 1mg or 2mg though.

4. Sealing off your space after entering should be done very quickly. Maybe even in seconds while holding your breath. Ideally you let the space fill with CO, then go in.

5. You should buy a CO meter (or several) and do practice runs. If you can reliably get a high CO concentration in your space, while not making a hazard for others, you're golden.

P.S. watch out for the smoke/CO detectors your home already has!

Thank you for an equally well organised, constructive reply!

I'll be sealing off the windows beforehand. The door will take about 2 minutes, though, and there's no way I'll be able to hold my breath for that long (I can't even last 15 seconds). Could you elaborate on why I should hold my breath until the room films with CO?

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

The #1 scenario I'm trying to avoid is where you pass out in a leaky room and don't die.

If you enter with the coals and seal up the door, you can be successful. But problem #2 is that a slower CO death can be unpleasant, with headaches and such.

Ideally you build up a high-CO environment first so you can walk in, close the door or zipper etc. and be out in a few breaths.

 

[Lack-of-Everything]

The #1 scenario I'm trying to avoid is where you pass out in a leaky room and don't die.

If you enter with the coals and seal up the door, you can be successful. But problem #2 is that a slower CO death can be unpleasant, with headaches and such.

Ideally you build up a high-CO environment first so you can walk in, close the door or zipper etc. and be out in a few breaths.

That makes sense. Thank you.

 

[isolatedl111]

Hi folks,

I'm investigating the CO method, and although I've read several threads I still have a number of questions. Please bear in mind I'm autistic (not the high IQ kind), ADHD, brain damaged and multiply learning disabled, so please forgive me for asking questions that have been answered previously—I want to ensure I haven't misunderstood what I've learned here (btw, if I sound at all capable to you, that's because this post has been written with the help of a friend on this forum).

If I choose the CO method, I'm planning to burn the charcoal on 1-2 grill(s) in the garden, then put them in the bathroom and secure the door and windows with duct tape.

My questions, in no particular order, are thus:

1. Equipment: 1-2 grills; chimney starter; blowtorch; approx 20kg lumpwood charcoal; oven gloves; 1-4 buckets (if grills don't fit in bathroom); heat mats for buckets. Plus: alcohol; benzos; codeine; possibly goggles. Anything else? I've seen CO meters mentioned.
2. Is there a specific type of grill that works best, or better than others?
3. As 2, but regarding grills to avoid?
4. The space is about 2 x 2.5 x 2.5 meters. Would 20kg charcoal suffice for one person?
5. As 4, but for two people, if I find a partner?
6. Will one grill suffice?
7. There are exposed pipes in the bathroom. Does this pose a problem? FWIW, the central heating is oil.
8. From what I've read so far, apparently lumpwood charcoal is better than briquettes. However, is there a way of testing the quality of the lumpwood?
9. So, the method is to burn the charcoal until it goes grey and ashy, and has stopped producing smoke
10. Is it okay if it's still glowing, or some of it is?
11. Approximately how long should it take to burn the amount of lumpwood required ?
12. Should the grill(s) be brought into the bathroom immediately after the charcoal has turned grey?
13. Does it matter whether I put the grill(s) in the bathroom, or transfer the charcoal to buckets?
14. The benzos I have obtained are Clonazepam 500mcg. I'm 166cm and approximately 88.5kg (if sex and age are a factor, I'm female and 37, but prematurely peri-menopausal so biologically maybe 15 years older?). Would one be enough to make me drowsy, if I take it with, say 300ml neat vodka?

I appreciate that's a lot of questions. I just want to ensure I've got everything correct, because getting it wrong could obviously land me (and possibly a partner) in an even worse state than now.

Thank you in advance.

Interesting

 

[Alo the obvi alien]

Hi folks,

I'm investigating the CO method, and although I've read several threads I still have a number of questions. Please bear in mind I'm autistic (not the high IQ kind), ADHD, brain damaged and multiply learning disabled, so please forgive me for asking questions that have been answered previously—I want to ensure I haven't misunderstood what I've learned here (btw, if I sound at all capable to you, that's because this post has been written with the help of a friend on this forum).

If I choose the CO method, I'm planning to burn the charcoal on 1-2 grill(s) in the garden, then put them in the bathroom and secure the door and windows with duct tape.

My questions, in no particular order, are thus:

1. Equipment: 1-2 grills; chimney starter; blowtorch; approx 20kg lumpwood charcoal; oven gloves; 1-4 buckets (if grills don't fit in bathroom); heat mats for buckets. Plus: alcohol; benzos; codeine; possibly goggles. Anything else? I've seen CO meters mentioned.
2. Is there a specific type of grill that works best, or better than others?
3. As 2, but regarding grills to avoid?
4. The space is about 2 x 2.5 x 2.5 meters. Would 20kg charcoal suffice for one person?
5. As 4, but for two people, if I find a partner?
6. Will one grill suffice?
7. There are exposed pipes in the bathroom. Does this pose a problem? FWIW, the central heating is oil.
8. From what I've read so far, apparently lumpwood charcoal is better than briquettes. However, is there a way of testing the quality of the lumpwood?
9. So, the method is to burn the charcoal until it goes grey and ashy, and has stopped producing smoke
10. Is it okay if it's still glowing, or some of it is?
11. Approximately how long should it take to burn the amount of lumpwood required ?
12. Should the grill(s) be brought into the bathroom immediately after the charcoal has turned grey?
13. Does it matter whether I put the grill(s) in the bathroom, or transfer the charcoal to buckets?
14. The benzos I have obtained are Clonazepam 500mcg. I'm 166cm and approximately 88.5kg (if sex and age are a factor, I'm female and 37, but prematurely peri-menopausal so biologically maybe 15 years older?). Would one be enough to make me drowsy, if I take it with, say 300ml neat vodka?

I appreciate that's a lot of questions. I just want to ensure I've got everything correct, because getting it wrong could obviously land me (and possibly a partner) in an even worse state than now.

Thank you in advance.

If other people are in the house, could be in the house, would have a change of entering the house; PLEASE DO NOT DO IT IN THE HOUSE!! CO2 is a silent killer and could harm others like pets and humans in your house. This method should ideally be done outside or during a time with a LONG stretch of time where know one will be home AND a clear note stating not to enter THE ENTIRE BUILDING because CO2 is present. Just call the cops immediately. Do not have charcoal stored in your house especially near a heater.

 

[NegevChina]

I think a CO meter is a good idea and can give you an idea of the concentration of CO in the room. Above 7500PPM will cause a man to immediately pass out. 3000PPM for more than 30 minutes may guarantee success but might be not peaceful causing headaches and nausea.

 

[Lack-of-Everything]

If other people are in the house, could be in the house, would have a change of entering the house; PLEASE DO NOT DO IT IN THE HOUSE!! CO2 is a silent killer and could harm others like pets and humans in your house. This method should ideally be done outside or during a time with a LONG stretch of time where know one will be home AND a clear note stating not to enter THE ENTIRE BUILDING because CO2 is present. Just call the cops immediately. Do not have charcoal stored in your house especially near a heater.

I'm totally alone, with no pets, and very little chance of any neighbours stopping by, so no worries there.

I think a CO meter is a good idea and can give you an idea of the concentration of CO in the room. Above 7500PPM will cause a man to immediately pass out. 3000PPM for more than 30 minutes may guarantee success but might be not peaceful causing headaches and nausea.

Thank you for the info. How much PPM is sufficiently lethal without causing too severe side effects?

 

[J&L383]

I think a CO meter is a good idea and can give you an idea of the concentration of CO in the room. Above 7500PPM will cause a man to immediately pass out. 3000PPM for more than 30 minutes may guarantee success but might be not peaceful causing headaches and nausea.

I believe the consumer CO meters max out at a fairly low level, but if it goes up very very quickly and max is out you're probably in the right ballpark. The meters that read high levels are expensive I've read.

Also, make sure you tape off the air vent if you have forced air heating and turn off the heater so that it doesn't blow the cover off the vent if it turns on.

And also if there's an exhaust fan make sure you take that over as well.

Also agree on not doing this if anyone's going to be coming into the house (if it's an apartment/townhouse/duplex then I wouldn't do it because there's too much leakage to other units) when there could still be high CO levels. If you're worried about someone coming put a notice just inside the door (but not on the outside of the door since that would alert someone too soon.)

 

[NegevChina]

Thank you for the info. How much PPM is sufficiently lethal without causing too severe side effects?

Its hard to say. It seems that at 6400PPM the symptoms do appear but only for a few minutes. Then thinking becomes impaired and seems there is no suffering anymore. Though some people don't suffer side effects at all even at lower PPM. However, its best to reach above 10,000PPM for immediate loss of consciousness.
If its any help there is a table of PPMs and what it causes:
https://www.spec-sensors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Carbon-Monoxide-Risks-at-Low-Levels.pdf

I believe the consumer CO meters max out at a fairly low level, but if it goes up very very quickly and max is out you're probably in the right ballpark. The meters that read high levels are expensive I've read.

Yes they max out at 999PPM. I got a better one from amazon, the CT-300 for 45$. It can detect up to 5000ppm. Larger PPM range detectors are way more expensive.

 

[Lack-of-Everything]

I believe the consumer CO meters max out at a fairly low level, but if it goes up very very quickly and max is out you're probably in the right ballpark. The meters that read high levels are expensive I've read.

Also, make sure you tape off the air vent if you have forced air heating and turn off the heater so that it doesn't blow the cover off the vent if it turns on.

And also if there's an exhaust fan make sure you take that over as well.

Also agree on not doing this if anyone's going to be coming into the house (if it's an apartment/townhouse/duplex then I wouldn't do it because there's too much leakage to other units) when there could still be high CO levels. If you're worried about someone coming put a notice just inside the door (but not on the outside of the door since that would alert someone too soon.)

All sound advice, thank you.

Its hard to say. It seems that at 6400PPM the symptoms do appear but only for a few minutes. Then thinking becomes impaired and seems there is no suffering anymore. Though some people don't suffer side effects at all even at lower PPM. However, its best to reach above 10,000PPM for immediate loss of consciousness.
If its any help there is a table of PPMs and what it causes:
https://www.spec-sensors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Carbon-Monoxide-Risks-at-Low-Levels.pdf

Yes they max out at 999PPM. I got a better one from amazon, the CT-300 for 45$. It can detect up to 5000ppm. Larger PPM range detectors are way more expensive.

Much obliged.

Wow, CO meters are ludicrously expensive! I don't understand why the one you purchased is so cheap and can detect up to 5000, yet other ones of the same price range and even slightly dearer only detect up to 1000.

 

[dimgobaith]

I can send you the link to the grill(s) I used and the charcoal that was recommended (if you're uk)
Silly thing but don't forget to put the plugs in the bath/sink when you close the windows

 

[Lack-of-Everything]

I can send you the link to the grill(s) I used and the charcoal that was recommended (if you're uk)
Silly thing but don't forget to put the plugs in the bath/sink when you close the windows

Please do.

Re: plugs: Very important detail I may have overlooked, so thank you!