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How do you know if you have Chronic Lyme Disease? I got bitten by a tick when I was like 8 or 9 and I had to take antibiotics. I also got an eye twitch for a while but it went away. I have a lot of eye floaters now and I don't know if those are related to Lyme Disease or some other condition. I heard that Lyme Disease can become chronic though, so how do you know if you still have it?
 
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IT is a tricky bacteria - sorry if you have lingering issues from you tick bite. I got one a few years back at same time I had a cold with horrible laryngetis - they couldn't give me any antibiotics or it would delay the testing. Wouldn't you know it, I am showering and find this tick firmly attached in my public area. Never got the tell-tale rash though. Dr. said the test was negative - one never knows.
 
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I think the only way to find out if your floaters are Lyme-related is to go to a doctor, maybe an eye doctor. There are multiple reasons someone could have floaters, some of them quite serious, and entirely unrelated to Lyme. Stop the Internet self-diagnosing and go see someone who can actually figure it out.
 
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Lyme disease sucks. I remember one time I saw a story of a woman who had it but her doctors never even considered her being able to have it because ticks weren't supposed to be native to her area. When she was diagnosed it was already too late.

The reason the doctors didn't think she had Lyme disease was because she also happened to be a little overweight so they assumed all her symptoms were just related to eating too much junk food, not exercising enough, and not getting enough sleep. All the typical excuses doctors use to dismiss everybody. I doubt that's an issue for you though.

I think if you do try to tackling these and still feel various Lyme disease symptoms then that's a good indicator that you have it but it's better to just try to get a real test for it as soon as you can.

A radio host in California actually killed himself about a year or two ago due to having Lyme disease so I don't doubt that it's an awful thing to bear. The risk of getting bit by a tick is a pretty good reason for me to refuse to go hiking for any reason.
 
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How do you know if you have Chronic Lyme Disease? I got bitten by a tick when I was like 8 or 9 and I had to take antibiotics. I also got an eye twitch for a while but it went away. I have a lot of eye floaters now and I don't know if those are related to Lyme Disease or some other condition. I heard that Lyme Disease can become chronic though, so how do you know if you still have it?
I got floaters after a psychedelic trip. Some people say it's a symptom of spiritual growth as ridiculous as that sounds :D

When you got bit by the tick did you get the bulls eye rash or take the antibiotics as a preventative? Did you have any symptoms or have a positive diagnosis?

Chronic lymes is debilitating for some people. What makes lymes chronic is that hides by making biofilm colonies in the body. It settles in the body where if can grow best causing a myriad of symptoms specific to the person which makes it hard to diagnose.

Mainstream medicine does not consider chronic lymes as a real condition for nefarious reasons. It's mostly alternative medicine practitioners that treat chronic lymes.
 
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I got floaters after a psychedelic trip. Some people say it's a symptom of spiritual growth as ridiculous as that sounds :D

When you got bit by the tick did you get the bulls eye rash or take the antibiotics as a preventative? Did you have any symptoms or have a positive diagnosis?

Chronic lymes is debilitating for some people. What makes lymes chronic is that hides by making biofilm colonies in the body. It settles in the body where if can grow best causing a myriad of symptoms specific to the person which makes it hard to diagnose.

Mainstream medicine does not consider chronic lymes as a real condition for nefarious reasons. It's mostly alternative medicine practitioners that treat chronic lymes.
I don't think I got a bullseye rash, so I guess I took antibiotics as a preventative. I got this eye twitch and muscle twitch (of my face). The eye and muscle twitch went away with time though. I don't remember if I had any other symptoms. It was more than 15 years ago lol
 
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Lyme disease sucks. I remember one time I saw a story of a woman who had it but her doctors never even considered her being able to have it because ticks weren't supposed to be native to her area. When she was diagnosed it was already too late.

The reason the doctors didn't think she had Lyme disease was because she also happened to be a little overweight so they assumed all her symptoms were just related to eating too much junk food, not exercising enough, and not getting enough sleep. All the typical excuses doctors use to dismiss everybody. I doubt that's an issue for you though.

I think if you do try to tackling these and still feel various Lyme disease symptoms then that's a good indicator that you have it but it's better to just try to get a real test for it as soon as you can.

A radio host in California actually killed himself about a year or two ago due to having Lyme disease so I don't doubt that it's an awful thing to bear. The risk of getting bit by a tick is a pretty good reason for me to refuse to go hiking for any reason.
Lyme disease and Co infections are fucked! And after living with this shit for 5 decades I'm heading out.. a lot of people commit suicide because they have Lyme disease but I give myself a lot of credit for dealing with this for 5 decades. The truth is most people don't understand and don't give a shit!
 
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Lyme disease and Co infections are fucked! And after living with this shit for 5 decades I'm heading out.. a lot of people commit suicide because they have Lyme disease but I give myself a lot of credit for dealing with this for 5 decades. The truth is most people don't understand and don't give a shit!
5 Decades?!...OMGGGGG Hun. I cant even phantom going THAT LONG. YOU ARE CERTAINLY A SOLDIER & Then some..

Awe man, its going on a decade and half for me...and if I cant reach back to a decent point of even "somewhat-emission" soon....welp, that's the reason why I'm here in this forum....

Also, that last part about "the truth being most people don't understand or give a sh*t!" ....is SO EFFING SAD & TRUE.


P.S. I love how under your username you quote from the Linkin Park song "In the End".

R.I.P. Chester Bennington (& also Chris Cornell, his best friend, R.I.P.)
Gosh, they passed away both of suicide in 2017.
That was the year I FINALLY reached about 90% remission of ALLL the symptoms I had been heavily treating lyme + co-infection's w/ abx.
It was the best, but then turned WORST YEAR OF MY LIFE.....sigh..FML.
 
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i heard bromelain helps with eye floaters. but it's only anecdotal
 
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5 Decades?!...OMGGGGG Hun. I cant even phantom going THAT LONG. YOU ARE CERTAINLY A SOLDIER & Then some..

Awe man, its going on a decade and half for me...and if I cant reach back to a decent point of even "somewhat-emission" soon....welp, that's the reason why I'm here in this forum....

Also, that last part about "the truth being most people don't understand or give a sh*t!" ....is SO EFFING SAD & TRUE.


P.S. I love how under your username you quote from the Linkin Park song "In the End".

R.I.P. Chester Bennington (& also Chris Cornell, his best friend, R.I.P.)
Gosh, they passed away both of suicide in 2017.
That was the year I FINALLY reached about 90% remission of ALLL the symptoms I had been heavily treating lyme + co-infection's w/ abx.
It was the best, but then turned WORST YEAR OF MY LIFE.....sigh..FML.
I'm so sorry I'm not been able to get back to you but I've been so sick but I know you understand. I will try to get back in the next few days. I also have a severe a Babesia infection and two types of Bartonella and severe mold toxicity 😭 I would love to hear how you treated . Take care!
 
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I'm so sorry I'm not been able to get back to you but I've been so sick but I know you understand. I will try to get back in the next few days. I also have a severe a Babesia infection and two types of Bartonella and severe mold toxicity 😭 I would love to hear how you treated . Take care!
Hey there, oh yes--I MOST CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND the horrible feeling that bc of being sick (and feeling bad to unimaginable depths that people who don't have the miserable "L-word + Co-infections" will not understand unless they have it/or have had it). I still say I would NEVER wish this illness on my worst enemy. To answer your Q (& I think it may have sounded as if I got "fully well* with my previous post, but I did not. I got to that 90% of regaining my good health in 2017, but then I lost the ground I had established due too many life stressors happening all at once. I remember reading that "The 3 biggest life stressors are: death, divorce & moving" (this is not set in stone obviously as Im sure there diff opinions out there)...but I'll be darned if I didn't deal with all 3 within a 2 month period....so boom, my health slowly started to decline again.

The way I initially treated was with approx 3 diff abx at one time, a few supplements/vitamins on the side and a little bit of natural antimicrobial things such as raw garlic, cinnamon from Sri Lanka, raw ginger and couple others. I was about 5 years in of treating ( but gosh that many antibiotics is SO HARD to take, as they have their own side effects and not to mention the dreadful and pretty long herxheimer reactions I would get...so I wasnt always consistent and would take breaks). Right before I got to feeling at that 90%, I had ordered the main tintures frome the Cowden protocol AND also the main ones from Buhner protocol as well. I started incorporating some of those(more like testing around with them) along with the abx and before I knew it, I had FINALLY felt like I had turned a big corner. I "was" always more into the western medicine world...bc, tbh, that's all I ever knew or heard of. So I never really gave the herbs ''a fair chance". During this time I did keep journals. I wrote down each day what I took, how I felt & any other notes I felt relevant to jot down. I always thought, "these journals may come in handy to someone else one day. [sigh-I can only HOPE & PRAY it will be myself again soon]. So after dealing with this crap for over a decade and taking so many abx...I no longer can handle all those abx at once. Like rn, I am on Doxy mono bc I have a touch of pneumonia in my lungs and I will take the weeks worth...but rn since starting the doxy, my joint are hurting more, I have nausea, pretty fatigued, etc...all herx-ing signs. Symptoms that I never got before getting stupid lyme+co's. ..like back when I used to take an abx and just get better!...like normal people do!.

Even rn, here goes my fingers and wrists starting to hurt just from typing this. I was SO HEALTHY prior to that damn tick bite!...and Im in my middle age, I KNOW this is not all from "getting older" (as some would say..)


So, I plan on likely using SN to CTB (or hanging). ...**IF**I cannot reach some sort of a good remissive state here in the next year or sooner. The thing is, I don't want to die, I just cant go on feeling like this. Its frkn PERPETUAL TORTURE! I feel like a damn burden to myself and others(esp my Fam...as "I" was always the strong one :*-( ). Push push push....is all my life has become. Trying to find a smile to hide the pain when my body and mind are going berzerko.


I plan on giving the herbs (mainly more aimed from the Buhner protocol) much more of a FAIR & ORGANIZED chance this time around. Such as cats claw, japanese knotweed, andrographis, arteminisin , ++more. They were and still are, such a big learning curve for me. I "might" incorporate the same abx I had taken around the time I first got to that 90%...but oh gosh, my body is gonna say F-U to me I already know it (mainly just tearing up the gut microbiome with yeastie beasties and all the not good stuff that 'long-term abx' will certainly do. The 3 abx that help me the MOST, were Zithromax/Ceftin/& Doxy. I do think the Mepron for babesia may have had its place too...but omg that stuff is sooooo expensive & insurance barely wanted to cover so I think I either did 2 or 3 months of it(& "they say" your supposed to give it at least 4 months, which apparently is long enough to cover the life span of a red blood cell...and babesia affects the RBC's). I did end up stock piling some Mepron, but now it has expired. Idt it is one of the drugs that would become toxic if expired(such as the family of tetracyclines become neuro-toxic if expired!) but Im pretty sure the Mepron, if anything, would just have lost a bit of its potency. Someone in this post mentioned Bromelain as helping for eye floaters. They may be on to something bc my llmd has been saying a lot of other patients have been having good results when adding in the Bromelain as a biofilm buster. (I did serrapeptase in the past...and who knows, that may have helped too(its in my journal--I don't recall taking much of it tho)...but apparently out of those, they're finding Bromelain as the best option.

I'm having some brain fog on/off today, so I hope this post answers your Q to the best way I could put it!


Im curious, what have you done so far to treat your lyme & co-infections thus far?

I know you have had a lonnnnng time at this point. I encourage you to *Keep HOPE alive* as it is possible that you could regain your health...but every treatment is diff for every person with diff infections and diff makes of each of our bodies. Trust, I need to *Practice what Im Preaching*. I used to have SO MUCH *Hope. I just KNEW I was gonna beat this thing. Some days my hope is LOST..at this point. Then other days, I still find a lil Hope to press on. Like I said, Im gonna give this my last best shot with treatment here soon(when I have only the most minimal obligations--like going to my family's for TG holiday coming up. I hope that I have started 'some' herbs by then..and I just hope I'm not having some crazy herx on the time of the holidays.

Remember the times "We used to LOOK FORWARD to the Holidays!"....gosh I miss it all so much. With having lyme, you NEVER KNOW how your going to feel from day to day. The Holidays now seem more like "Obligations and SO MUCH EFFORT & STRENGTH just to try and get through them".


Anyway, I hope this post finds You...*AND*....Everybody else here in the forum...having "one of our better days" at least.....((((HUGS))))
 
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I don't have an answer for you but I'm so sorry. I know the feeling.
I just got diagnosed with Lyme 3 months ago.
Took a bunch of antibiotics, but my joints are still in pain.
My doctor literally did like this: 🤷‍♀️
 
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I have an eye condition which causes floaters. My eyes are very sensitive to light also, so the slightest change causes me to see colours and different shapes - it's astigmatism, but it has got much worse, probably because I haven't been wearing my glasses. Ot another reason.

Floaters can be all sorts of shapes. Depends on the lighting as well. My eyes do well in the dark, not the light. My eyes adjust very well to the dark and definitely cannot handle light, especially bright lights - it hurts like hell. The slightest, and I mean the slightest change in light... damn that hurts like a mother fucker. And floaters are going everywhere. It causes blurred vision also - it is like having a constant film over your eyes.

My eyes are very healthy and my vision is almost perfect (weird, huh?), but it's literally *only* this that causes me issues and it causes a LOT of problems for me. The floaters can be scary, because if I'm under a lot of stress, it changes shapes and looks scary as fuck. Won't describe it on here and no, it isn't hallucinations. I've literally been to the opticians about it and I was diagnosed with it many, many years ago

Go to the opticians - they are the only ones that can help. Self diagnosing isn't helpful and will only cause you stress
 
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Hey there, oh yes--I MOST CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND the horrible feeling that bc of being sick (and feeling bad to unimaginable depths that people who don't have the miserable "L-word + Co-infections" will not understand unless they have it/or have had it). I still say I would NEVER wish this illness on my worst enemy. To answer your Q (& I think it may have sounded as if I got "fully well* with my previous post, but I did not. I got to that 90% of regaining my good health in 2017, but then I lost the ground I had established due too many life stressors happening all at once. I remember reading that "The 3 biggest life stressors are: death, divorce & moving" (this is not set in stone obviously as Im sure there diff opinions out there)...but I'll be darned if I didn't deal with all 3 within a 2 month period....so boom, my health slowly started to decline again.

The way I initially treated was with approx 3 diff abx at one time, a few supplements/vitamins on the side and a little bit of natural antimicrobial things such as raw garlic, cinnamon from Sri Lanka, raw ginger and couple others. I was about 5 years in of treating ( but gosh that many antibiotics is SO HARD to take, as they have their own side effects and not to mention the dreadful and pretty long herxheimer reactions I would get...so I wasnt always consistent and would take breaks). Right before I got to feeling at that 90%, I had ordered the main tintures frome the Cowden protocol AND also the main ones from Buhner protocol as well. I started incorporating some of those(more like testing around with them) along with the abx and before I knew it, I had FINALLY felt like I had turned a big corner. I "was" always more into the western medicine world...bc, tbh, that's all I ever knew or heard of. So I never really gave the herbs ''a fair chance". During this time I did keep journals. I wrote down each day what I took, how I felt & any other notes I felt relevant to jot down. I always thought, "these journals may come in handy to someone else one day. [sigh-I can only HOPE & PRAY it will be myself again soon]. So after dealing with this crap for over a decade and taking so many abx...I no longer can handle all those abx at once. Like rn, I am on Doxy mono bc I have a touch of pneumonia in my lungs and I will take the weeks worth...but rn since starting the doxy, my joint are hurting more, I have nausea, pretty fatigued, etc...all herx-ing signs. Symptoms that I never got before getting stupid lyme+co's. ..like back when I used to take an abx and just get better!...like normal people do!.

Even rn, here goes my fingers and wrists starting to hurt just from typing this. I was SO HEALTHY prior to that damn tick bite!...and Im in my middle age, I KNOW this is not all from "getting older" (as some would say..)


So, I plan on likely using SN to CTB (or hanging). ...**IF**I cannot reach some sort of a good remissive state here in the next year or sooner. The thing is, I don't want to die, I just cant go on feeling like this. Its frkn PERPETUAL TORTURE! I feel like a damn burden to myself and others(esp my Fam...as "I" was always the strong one :*-( ). Push push push....is all my life has become. Trying to find a smile to hide the pain when my body and mind are going berzerko.


I plan on giving the herbs (mainly more aimed from the Buhner protocol) much more of a FAIR & ORGANIZED chance this time around. Such as cats claw, japanese knotweed, andrographis, arteminisin , ++more. They were and still are, such a big learning curve for me. I "might" incorporate the same abx I had taken around the time I first got to that 90%...but oh gosh, my body is gonna say F-U to me I already know it (mainly just tearing up the gut microbiome with yeastie beasties and all the not good stuff that 'long-term abx' will certainly do. The 3 abx that help me the MOST, were Zithromax/Ceftin/& Doxy. I do think the Mepron for babesia may have had its place too...but omg that stuff is sooooo expensive & insurance barely wanted to cover so I think I either did 2 or 3 months of it(& "they say" your supposed to give it at least 4 months, which apparently is long enough to cover the life span of a red blood cell...and babesia affects the RBC's). I did end up stock piling some Mepron, but now it has expired. Idt it is one of the drugs that would become toxic if expired(such as the family of tetracyclines become neuro-toxic if expired!) but Im pretty sure the Mepron, if anything, would just have lost a bit of its potency. Someone in this post mentioned Bromelain as helping for eye floaters. They may be on to something bc my llmd has been saying a lot of other patients have been having good results when adding in the Bromelain as a biofilm buster. (I did serrapeptase in the past...and who knows, that may have helped too(its in my journal--I don't recall taking much of it tho)...but apparently out of those, they're finding Bromelain as the best option.

I'm having some brain fog on/off today, so I hope this post answers your Q to the best way I could put it!


Im curious, what have you done so far to treat your lyme & co-infections thus far?

I know you have had a lonnnnng time at this point. I encourage you to *Keep HOPE alive* as it is possible that you could regain your health...but every treatment is diff for every person with diff infections and diff makes of each of our bodies. Trust, I need to *Practice what Im Preaching*. I used to have SO MUCH *Hope. I just KNEW I was gonna beat this thing. Some days my hope is LOST..at this point. Then other days, I still find a lil Hope to press on. Like I said, Im gonna give this my last best shot with treatment here soon(when I have only the most minimal obligations--like going to my family's for TG holiday coming up. I hope that I have started 'some' herbs by then..and I just hope I'm not having some crazy herx on the time of the holidays.

Remember the times "We used to LOOK FORWARD to the Holidays!"....gosh I miss it all so much. With having lyme, you NEVER KNOW how your going to feel from day to day. The Holidays now seem more like "Obligations and SO MUCH EFFORT & STRENGTH just to try and get through them".


Anyway, I hope this post finds You...*AND*....Everybody else here in the forum...having "one of our better days" at least.....((((HUGS))))
Sorry I've not been able to get back to you I've been so sick and then when I finally came back all my notifications disappeared. I had to go searching and scrolling just to find this it took me quite a bit of time. My vision is not really good right now but I promise I will get back to you I'm so sorry. I don't know what's wrong if they change something on here since I haven't been back but I've never had all my notifications disappear before. I hope you're hanging in there sweetie
 
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I don't have an answer for you but I'm so sorry. I know the feeling.
I just got diagnosed with Lyme 3 months ago.
Took a bunch of antibiotics, but my joints are still in pain.
My doctor literally did like this: 🤷‍♀️
Oh gosh, I remember that time very clearly. I initially was told to see an Infectious Disease specialist. ..and so I did. I seen him for 2 month of treatment(1st month was a month of Amox 800mg BID, 2nd month was a PICC line of IV Rocephin). I should add, it took me approx 4-5 months before getting serious treatment after the tick bite. I didn't think it was going to be that serious as I had lots of ticks growing up.

Although, after treating with the ID doc, I told him I still had pain in my joints, etc. ...and I pretty much got about the same response you did. He shook his head, shrugged his shoulders and said: "I hate lyme disease". Under their "textbooks" the was all the treatment he could give me. Then I found out I had to see an LLMD(Lyme literate medical doctor). I've been seeing him since 2011. Many thousands of dollars out of pocket since then as most only take cash because they get in trouble by ins. co's for ALL the antibiotics they prescribe. I'm still here likely bc of him, but merely feel Im existing at most times..instead of "truly living".
Sorry I've not been able to get back to you I've been so sick and then when I finally came back all my notifications disappeared. I had to go searching and scrolling just to find this it took me quite a bit of time. My vision is not really good right now but I promise I will get back to you I'm so sorry. I don't know what's wrong if they change something on here since I haven't been back but I've never had all my notifications disappear before. I hope you're hanging in there sweetie
Hey there, I kinda see what you mean as I just got confused when I tried to reply to you and someone else at the same time. It put you guys in the same space and wouldn't let me refresh so that just confused the crap outta me.

At any rate, I just wanted to say I hope you can catch at least some what of a break and feel better soon.
 
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I think the only way to find out if your floaters are Lyme-related is to go to a doctor, maybe an eye doctor. There are multiple reasons someone could have floaters, some of them quite serious, and entirely unrelated to Lyme. Stop the Internet self-diagnosing and go see someone who can actually figure it out.
If you've got Lyme Disease, floaters are the least of your concerns. You'ld likely have many more debilitating symptoms. Doctors absolutely, positively cannot help you ith Lyme. Going to see a doctor for Lyme is really bad advice. There's a documentary called "Under Our Skin" that details exactly why.

The medical community is not allowed to properly diagnose and treat Lyme. Doctors who succeessfully daignose and treat Lyme have their licenses revoke and get sued for millions of dollars (watch the documentary for starters).

The standard blood test will NOT detect Lyme disease in many cases. You need a special test that the insurance companies refuse to cover.

You need an IGX test.