I think it will be a pretty good way and will leave the thought of an accident not a suicide. In a two way national road without any barriers between the two lanes i drive like top speed and when a truck comes from the opossite direction lane i drive to the other lane to make a face to face collusion .what do you think?
And what if you live and the other driver dies, can you handle being a murderer? It wouldn't be hard to see it's not an accidental crash.
And what if you both die? I don't agree with suicide being selfish but this is. This forum is about choosing when and how you die and you are potentially taking away somebody's choice by doing this.
And what if you both die? I don't agree with suicide being selfish but this is. This forum is about choosing when and how you die and you are potentially taking away somebody's choice by doing this.
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BitterlyAlive
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- Apr 8, 2020
- 1,635
I've thought about it a lot in the past few years for the same reasons. However, I always end up thinking about the witnesses and the truck driver, how it would impact them.
I feel too guilty at the thought. I'm personally ashamed to say this is how I almost killed myself a few months ago. But I wouldn't look down on a person for dying like this - I would imagine they were likely desperate to end their pain and were thinking about how to make less of an impact on their loved ones (trying to make it look like an accident).
I feel too guilty at the thought. I'm personally ashamed to say this is how I almost killed myself a few months ago. But I wouldn't look down on a person for dying like this - I would imagine they were likely desperate to end their pain and were thinking about how to make less of an impact on their loved ones (trying to make it look like an accident).
Ah, these are good points. I wrote my response thinking of the intended outcome where the driver dies and the truck driver is (physically) fine. Thanks for bringing those up.
I will crash with a big oversize truck. The road i am talking has only one lane for each direction,no barrier between and is high speed ,lots of big trucks cross this road because it has no pay tolls
That doesn't guarantee the other person won't be injured or killed in the crash. Crashes are very unpredictable and since truck drivers spent most of their time in there trucks slot of them have the cabins fitted with stuff you wouldn't think of. Can you imagine a microwave being propelled into your head at 30+ mph or his dog flying through the windscreen.
Please don't attempt this, it will not look accidental and you will ruin or end somebody else's life.
Your right to die should never take away somebody's right to live.
you are not doing a right thing for two reasons . First you'll kill at least one innocent person or even more (the truck driver) . 2-The result will be unpredictable after the car accident .you may end up to the hospital with permanent disability or dying with too much pain or even worse
Maybe If i have and something else ready to stamp me in frond of the wheal
when the crash happens like a knife or a metal bar dont know any thoughts?
it's not a good method. why don't you do some research about more peacful reliable methods?
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
I think any method which involves unfairly involving, traumatizing or injuring an innocent person is completely wrong. This is a view shared by many people on the forum, and is the reason why there is little support for methods such as multi-car accidents, jumping from a freeway overpass, train suicides or suicide-by-cop.
When faced with this opinion, the fact that you completely ignored that aspect and once again focused only on the practical effect on your suicide suggests you perhaps don't have a lot of consideration for the welfare of others.
As others have said, I would suggest you read the Resource Compilation to find a method which is both more likely to succeed, and will not involve unfair trauma or injury to others.
rhiino
Arcanist
- May 13, 2020
- 486
Even when ignoring the truck driver, killing yourself with a car is one of the worst methods for suicide. You sit in a vehicle that is designed to keep you alive in a crash, you might survive with severe injuries and permanent disabilities.
I was going for SN but i cant order it in my country.then jumping but cant find a high enough building with free access.hanging i just cant do,CO to complicated.N i cant order also.which led me to this idea of CTB.i could ask if i can deactivate the drivers airbag
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Pryras
Last hope
- Feb 11, 2020
- 524
Don't risk it, don't do it.
I've been in two car "accidents" and I'm still here without a vehicle and perfect health. You might hurt someone else in the process or come out of it disabled.
I flipped my car over a steep trench on a deserted road in between the mountains and the second time over the edge of an old highway. No cars / collateral damage involved besides me.
I've been in two car "accidents" and I'm still here without a vehicle and perfect health. You might hurt someone else in the process or come out of it disabled.
I flipped my car over a steep trench on a deserted road in between the mountains and the second time over the edge of an old highway. No cars / collateral damage involved besides me.
Not sure why you can't get anyone to ship you sn there's a Ukrainian seller on the well known craft site that I think ship's in the EU but even without sn there are other options available to you.
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
I'm sorry, but which part of the consensus that this method is completely unfair on the other driver are you still having trouble picking up on?
Just because you may have difficulties in obtaining other methods does not in any way justify the moral wrongness of this plan.
rhiino
Arcanist
- May 13, 2020
- 486
It is still his own decision. He simply does not have to justify the moral wrongness perceived by you.
We should not condemn anybody who is in so much pain that he wants to commit suicide.
We should not condemn anybody who is in so much pain that he wants to commit suicide.
I agree that we shouldn't condemn anyone that wishes to commit suicide and we are not. It's him committing suicide and possibly injuring or even killing a stranger to do this with a method that isn't even guaranteed to be fatal.
Doesn't the driver of the vehicle he collides with also have the right to decide if he wishes to live or die?
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
You are correct that he doesn't have to justify the morality of his actions to me or anyone else. But in coming to the forum, joining and posting his plan followed by 'What do you think?', he is well and truly allowing and indeed welcoming our opinions, whether related to practicality or to morality.
This is a ridiculously naive position to take. There is nothing fundamental to being suicidal that gives anyone an exemption from the moral norms of their society. By your logic, someone could suggest a murder-suicide with their infant child, and we should refrain from condemning their plan because they are in so much pain that they want to commit suicide. Involving an innocent other driver as a co-victim of their suicide plan is a similarly morally offensive suggestion by the OP.
Yes ofcourse i want all the opinions and all the suggestions thats what i asked.i made this plan today because yesterday happened again a deadly car accident in this road i speak of. Happens one pretty much every month or less. I will have to hear all the cons and pros to decide. If i get to find SN i will start think this solution again.
rhiino
Arcanist
- May 13, 2020
- 486
If society would not try to prevent suicides and everybody had easy and legal access to a "peaceful pill" I would agree with you.
shipwreck
Student
- May 7, 2020
- 155
Are you saying that it's OK to make a random stranger suffer because "society" denies you something you want?
rhiino
Arcanist
- May 13, 2020
- 486
No, that was not my point. My point was that I do not condemn somebody for it because they might have no other choice to end their suffering as society is trying to take away all means to commit suicide. If society wants to stop people from commiting suicide in a way that affects others, they have let people quit in an easier way.
GoodPersonEffed
Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
- Jan 11, 2020
- 6,727
Please see P.S.
I respect very much that you're open to hearing opinions and pros and cons in order to decide. I'm sorry you're at the point of having to make such a consideration.
What I think is that it would be wise to consider a bigger picture. Some folks have said to consider that you might survive with injuries, and I think that's wise.
What I suggest is to imagine the scene from multiple perspectives, not just the outcome you want, but all possible outcomes, and how you will deal with them.
I suggest you imagine the perspective of being the semi driver and someone crossing over the line. Imagine the terror in seeing them coming. Imagine the stress. Imagine whose photos are on his dashboard that he'll look at. Imagine who may be in the sleep part of the cab, as perhaps he and his SO team drive. Imagine the physical pain from the impact, perhaps permanent physical damage and pain. Imagine the truck turning over and there's a oil spill. Imagine he gets killed. Imagine he woke up that day never knowing how you were going to fuck up his day, maybe his life, maybe even end it. Imagine that he ends up on disability. Imagine he was this close to attaining a goal or a dream until you came along and made it impossible. Imagine that's his last straw, and he subsequently ctb's.
Now I suggest you imagine once again that any of these things happened, and you survived. Will you feel guilt? Can you deal with that? Can you deal with court? Even if you plead guilty to avoid a trial, you won't avoid the courtroom completely. Can you deal with the environment of prison? Can you deal with the driver's family, and with his insurance company? Can you deal with all the shit that's going to fall down on you, and be on suicide watch and not be able to escape the situation for a long time, perhaps never?
P.S. Does it now seem easier to try to figure out CO? Does hanging seem more doable if it means not ruining someone else's life or killing them, and not going to prison?
I respect very much that you're open to hearing opinions and pros and cons in order to decide. I'm sorry you're at the point of having to make such a consideration.
What I think is that it would be wise to consider a bigger picture. Some folks have said to consider that you might survive with injuries, and I think that's wise.
What I suggest is to imagine the scene from multiple perspectives, not just the outcome you want, but all possible outcomes, and how you will deal with them.
I suggest you imagine the perspective of being the semi driver and someone crossing over the line. Imagine the terror in seeing them coming. Imagine the stress. Imagine whose photos are on his dashboard that he'll look at. Imagine who may be in the sleep part of the cab, as perhaps he and his SO team drive. Imagine the physical pain from the impact, perhaps permanent physical damage and pain. Imagine the truck turning over and there's a oil spill. Imagine he gets killed. Imagine he woke up that day never knowing how you were going to fuck up his day, maybe his life, maybe even end it. Imagine that he ends up on disability. Imagine he was this close to attaining a goal or a dream until you came along and made it impossible. Imagine that's his last straw, and he subsequently ctb's.
Now I suggest you imagine once again that any of these things happened, and you survived. Will you feel guilt? Can you deal with that? Can you deal with court? Even if you plead guilty to avoid a trial, you won't avoid the courtroom completely. Can you deal with the environment of prison? Can you deal with the driver's family, and with his insurance company? Can you deal with all the shit that's going to fall down on you, and be on suicide watch and not be able to escape the situation for a long time, perhaps never?
P.S. Does it now seem easier to try to figure out CO? Does hanging seem more doable if it means not ruining someone else's life or killing them, and not going to prison?
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BridgeJumper
The Arsonist
- Apr 7, 2019
- 1,194
Whats up with people that are hellbent on scarring others for life? Cant you just ram into a tree? Its pretty deadly
autumnal
Enlightened
- Feb 4, 2020
- 1,950
Like train suicide, it's a complete selfishness and inability to respect (or at times even comprehend) the feelings of others. Often paired with the belief that because they won't be around to deal with the repercussions, anything goes. Occasionally comes with the actual blaming of the innocent party for 'being part of the system' that prevents access to easier suicide methods. And then backed up by the flawed argument that seeing as all suicides usually hurt some person to some degree, it is therefore somehow impossible to draw the line anywhere on what is acceptable behaviour.
May I ask to send me in the private message the name or the website of the Ukrainian seller ?
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