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If I decide to use N, I'm still going to have a very hard time actually doing it. I really don't want to be dead, but I'm suffering with chronic pain and need to go.

I'll need some booze and benzos to calm down. Can I do this before N?
 
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Yes, the PPH suggests to consume some alcohol after you take the N to make it more potent. Just be aware all of these drugs have a cross tolerance, so If you regularly use benzos and alcohol, then it may take a bit more N for you to CTB. Something to keep in mind.
 
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No,.....well, you are a free human being, yes, you can.
But drinking alcohol will take more time to get a coma.
And using benzos is totally unnecessary.
Of course, all depends on what kind of N. Liquid or powders.
 
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Yes but you have to wait til after you drink the N to take the alcohol, at least that's what I've heard..
 
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The PPH just mentions that long term alcohol users may have an extended coma, and that more N will not necessarily help this. Does not say anything about benzos.
 
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The problem is, I think I will need alcohol and benzos BEFORE to calm down enough to do it.
 
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If I decide to use N, I'm still going to have a very hard time actually doing it. I really don't want to be dead, but I'm suffering with chronic pain and need to go.

I'll need some booze and benzos to calm down. Can I do this before N?

All you need for the Gold Star CTB is Antiemetic + Nembutal + Swig of your favourite tipple = RIP, :halo:
 
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The problem is, I think I will need alcohol and benzos BEFORE to calm down enough to do it.
Respectfully, your point of view is wrong.
You are going to take a barbiturate. The purpose or intention itself is exactly calm down yourself.
 
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The problem is, I think I will need alcohol and benzos BEFORE to calm down enough to do it.
Yea I've heard that it's not good to take the alcohol until after you take the N, it slows down the absorption of the N or something. I'm sure some benzos would be fine to take before hand, just make sure they don't put you to sleep..
 
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Respectfully, your point of view is wrong.
You are going to take a barbiturate. The purpose or intention itself is exactly calm down yourself.
I get it. I have alot of anxiety over actually drinking it, though.
 
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Re cross-tolerance, these are just guidelines (2006)

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If you're clean of benzos beforehand, I suppose they MIGHT be okay (it is vital with another barbiturate Phenobarbital, supposing a goal to hasten the death). It's just not really documented cause not part of the typical protocol for N. If possible, avoid...

About alcohol, I think I read that the volume matters the most. Keep it low and don't drown yourself with it. 1-2 shots is about the size. As long as at the time of the N intake (not clearly in advance) then just before/after doesn't matter.
 
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I get it. I have alot of anxiety over actually drinking it, though.
I understand you...............but if you have decided that choice; you must to get over your anxiety, it is not going to help you.
Alcohol and benzos does not mind, you can take it, before, after or meanwhile; but the anxiety in not your friend.
 
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Yea I've heard that it's not good to take the alcohol until after you take the N, it slows down the absorption of the N or something. I'm sure some benzos would be fine to take before hand, just make sure they don't put you to sleep..
Maybe I'm missing something, but in veterinary nembutal doesn't have alcohol?
And in the powder form according what I understood also add alcohol to the drink

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/25g-n-enough-to-kill.34679/post-643116
 
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If I decide to use N, I'm still going to have a very hard time actually doing it. I really don't want to be dead, but I'm suffering with chronic pain and need to go.

I'll need some booze and benzos to calm down. Can I do this before N?
Some ideas without no scientific support: maybe cannabis (better low in THC and high on CBD), propanolol or hidroxyzine could help to reduce anxiety. I don't know about interactions with N but I think there shouldn't be any problem. Just my two cents.
 
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Maybe I'm missing something, but in veterinary nembutal doesn't have alcohol?
And in the powder form according what I understood also add alcohol to the drink

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/25g-n-enough-to-kill.34679/post-643116
I've read in the PPH that it's good to follow up N with a strong alcoholic drink because it makes the N work faster. I've also heard that it's not good to take it before the N, only after.

Exact quote (Chapter 19: Administration of N):
"The liquid in the glass can be drunk quickly in 2 to 3 swallows, and then followed by some alcohol, usually spirits or liqueur. Although not essential, alcohol is recommended as it alleviates the bitter N after-taste, and will speed the drugs action."
 
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As if alcohol ain't bitter enough..
 
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Wait, what? I take ambien every night and xanax occassionally when I'm anxious, does that mean I have built a tolerance to N too? I'm extremely confused. I thought benzos don't affect tolerance on barbiturates but according to this thread, it seems to be different. If someone can help out, I'd appreciate it.

Like, it seems that the 10mg of Ambien and the occassional 0.5-1mg of Benzos I take wouldn't really slow down a huge overdose of like 12g of Nembutal, right?
 
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" There is cross tolerance between alcohol, the benzodiazepines, the barbiturates, the nonbenzodiazepine drugs, and corticosteroids, which all act by enhancing the GABAA receptor's function via modulating the chloride ion channel function of the GABAA receptor."

The relation doesn't seem non-existent. Whether or not, it would "really slow down" an overdose of N is not evident, I'll skip (the cross-tolerance concrete effects can be specific from studies found). I'm unfamiliar with benzo consumption, your habits have no meaning to me.

That said, I don't think the document I posted differs a lot from the content of the PPH, if you read between the lines.

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Which drugs ? Why not try to name them (classes). "Generally" ? okay. To me, the formulation seems shy about taking a stance (my previous source does, in a conservative way, if there is some criticism to be made)
You wouldn't quit abruptly an alcohol addiction without causing delirium tremens for instance. Same goes with benzo, taken for comfort. So only periods really vary, not the general idea.of (withdrawal To Be Determined) / clearance (1/2 weeks)
 
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Like, it seems that the 10mg of Ambien and the occassional 0.5-1mg of Benzos I take wouldn't really slow down a huge overdose of like 12g of Nembutal, right?

Is there/can you build a cross tolerance ? Yes
Does it matter ? No

Nothing will stop 12g of pentobarbital from working. Swiss Assisted Suicide orgs don't even bother about it and have never witnessed any problem related to that. In "a guide to blah blah blah" they are talking about 6g as a minimal dose, so maybe they wanted to make sure all precautions were taken to minimise risks of failure.

I was in the same boat and was really worried about it for months. So if someone has doubts I would recommend contacting directly people who have real experience with this. I did it twice and was told twice "do not bother about it"
 
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In blablaa land, the book sources say pretty much the same (guide was published just 2-3 years before the first PPH edition, then never updated - was it a source of inspiration ?)

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(in NL, a muscle relaxant can seal a deal, late to the party. Isn't a late injection of N given by the some, not all, swiss clinics, or muscle relaxant ? asking)

6g fatal, more preferred. Sitting on 6g ? > precautions (AE, tolerance) encouraged.

The main difference is that the guide usually backup the claims with data (from NL/CH/OR state) for extra depth, when PPH choose not to cite references.
(Indeed, for all methods, the guide often gives clear directions, maybe at the counterparty of doing it awkwardly on the safe side - including being more sceptical / excluding. PPH is more authoritative / sometimes vague, with less exemple references)

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Lethality never matters if quantity sufficient. If tolerance have incidence, it is barely developed.
There's left to explain the variable speeds (2-24 hours at an occurence of 7-9% from organisation data at 9-12g ...where PPH "estimates" the escaping tail at <1%, not caring to share evidence), whose reasons are not entirely detailed with theories (PPH attributes "some" cases to anti-psychotics and chronic alcoholism. What about the rest ?).

Personally, I contacted Dignitas and Exit ADMD last month (as a non-member) and they wouldn't handle time to death stats anymore (recent and past - before, they were published openly on sites)
Not on any addiction, my night would still be arranged for a long 12+ hours one, rather leaning towards past a day, because I'm in a particular situation, not medically insured atm, that cannot risk failure from rescue, neither a major financial leak for my relatives, if hospitalised
 
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AcornUnderground

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There is no way I can go weeks without benzos. I take 1 a night or Id get zero hours sleep. I wonder if this means I can't do N.
 
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If your family is supportive of your choice, then you have an unlimited time in front of you not being rescued, right ?

On another thread, you wrote your bottles contain rather 110ml, then you'd have almost 14g
Imho, there's to regret you chose to fully decant a sealed bottle instead of taking out a sample, because that may not the best decision for mid/long-term storage
Still, at this moment & for some time, you hold more than a generous potent amount

@a_strange_day got the confirmation that where 15g N is used, prior benzo withdrawal is disregarded. Plus, there seems to be a thread on the Exit forums stating that cross-tolerance with benzos is irrelevant above 10g N. That's several checks passed (then, you're left to contact organisations again, online, in the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland, to gather more details and reassurance)
 
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AcornUnderground

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If your family is supportive of your choice, then you have an unlimited time in front of you not being rescued, right ?

On another thread, you wrote your bottles contain rather 110ml, then you'd have almost 14g
Imho, there's to regret you chose to fully decant a sealed bottle instead of taking out a sample' because that may not the best decision for mid/long-term storage
Still, at this very moment and for some time, you hold more than a generous amount

@a_strange_day got the confirmation that where 15g N is used, prior benzo withdrawal is disregarded. Plus, it seems there's a thread on the Exit forums stating that cross-tolerance with benzos is irrelevant above 10g N. That's several checks passed (unless you contact organisations again, online, in the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland, to get more details and reassurance)
I know. I didn't have a syringe and was desperate and I don't have a lot of time anyway it will keep for months after opening, correct?
 
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Understood.
I would think so but I cannot guarantee it 100%. One time I read 1 month from a book not a user, but I'd hope that was only a gross assumption, more or less unverified, and that it can last in fact longer. Even if your liquid was deteriorating by half, you'd still do fine. I can't imagine it over a matter of months but what do I know. That's typically the type of questions that become more sensitive. I'd prefer other persons to state their opinions or you get it accredited from Exit. I think the member @Ark here kept his decanted one for a few months before consumption and 1 bottle was enough so there is great hope that you're good.

About the rebottled liquid, if ditched the original, pick one container whose liquid surface is minimally in contact with air (like one that is higher than large, then have it filled closed to the cap if it is narrowing down at the top), wrap in tin foil and keep in a cool dark place (not the fridge now that the seal is not perfect, don't want humidity infiltration)
Keep the second bottle sealed, it's your insurance. I get it that you're out of energy, so I'm not suggesting more steps like testing
 
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Understood.
I would think so but I cannot guarantee it 100%. One time I read 1 month from a book not a user, but I'd hope that was only a gross assumption, more or less unverified, and that it can last in fact longer. Even if your liquid was deteriorating by half, you'd still do fine. I can't imagine it over a matter of months but what do I know. That's typically the type of questions that become more sensitive. I'd prefer other persons to state their opinions or you get it accredited from Exit. I think the member @Ark here kept his decanted one for a few months before consumption and 1 bottle was enough so there is great hope that you're good.

About the rebottled liquid, if ditched the original, pick one container whose liquid surface is minimally in contact with air (like one that is higher than large, then have it filled closed to the cap if it is narrowing down at the top), wrap in tin foil and keep in a cool dark place (not the fridge now that the seal is not perfect, don't want humidity infiltration)
Keep the second bottle sealed, it's your insurance. I get it that you're out of energy, so I'm not suggesting more steps like testing
I put it in a small mason jar in a dark cabinet...