Discussion Can we defeat the captialism and defend our right to ethuansia !

[Extremly kind <3]

The question remains ?!!!

 

[crimea_river]

I'm not sure you can only blame capatalism for that reality, it's certainly got a part to play though.

That's if you were putting the blame squarely at capatalism's door of course.

 

[Alchemist]

Capitalism isn't a type of government, it's an economic system. Suicide would be easier to obtain in a free market than in a regulated one like the one we have. Statists need people producing to feed the state, so they will never allow it. With a laissez-faire capitalist system suicide will be available if there's a market for it.

 

[Extremly kind <3]

Capitalism isn't a type of government, it's an economic system. Suicide would be easier to obtain in a free market than in a regulated one like the one we have. Statists need people producing to feed the state, so they will never allow it. With a laissez-faire capitalist system suicide will be available if there's a market for it.

Lool, sorry my dear, but if captialism wants productive ppl the should not push them to commit sucide !!!!

 

[Severen]

The question remains ?!!!

I wish but capitalists and pro suffering people have too much power. And it would be impossible to reverse all the brainwashing done to the majority of the working class when it comes to capitalism and the "magical gift of life." And capitalism with the right illusions in place is very appealing to sociopaths who make up most of humanity because they are foolish enough to think, they are just future millionaires and billionaires... LOL So one would literally have to defeat humanity in order to defeat capitalism and make euthanasia, a right. OR just wait for humanity to defeat themselves and then take over.

 

[TimeToDie]

Capitalism doesn't have anything to do with forcing people to remain alive against their will. Libertarians are very strongly supportive of the right to kill yourself (at any time for any reason as you see fit), and they also happen to be very strongly supportive of laissez-faire capitalism. If you want a fine example of free choice & free markets in action just look to A who supplies N for $ -- that's capitalism & freedom to end your life if you so choose.

 

[Idorus]

Euthanasia here sprung from the most capitalistic political party and they're still not satisfied cause the law "finished/
completed life" should count for everyone. It's time to eliminate the age limit.

Ofcourse I don't have to tell you about the sick take of Christian parties on the subject. Nor the most socialistic one is a vote worth for this unfortunately.

 

[laila888]

To be honest I don't think capitalism is to be blamed for not legalising euthanasia. I'd say it has more to do with religion. Western societies were built on Christian values, many constitutions still mention God.

 

[TimeToDie]

To be honest I don't think capitalism is to be blamed for not legalising euthanasia. I'd say it has more to do with religion business.

Today it's not even religion so much anymore. Religion has been losing power and influence for the last several hundred years. Atheist is the most common "religion" in the three European nations that allow you to die at will and still they have substantial limitations that would keep assistance in dying off limits for the vast majority of folks on this board. Even people who aren't religious typically believe that life is a good thing overall, and that probably is a delusion, but if a species is going to survive then it's probably a vital delusion to believe in.

 

[Extremly kind <3]

Ok, I need to be ethunasied due to a fucken loud chronic tinnitus, who has enough humanity
to help me out...

 

[Alchemist]

Lool, sorry my dear, but if captialism wants productive ppl the should not push them to commit sucide !!!!

Reading comprehension, my dear. Capitalism doesn't want anything because is a system and has no mind. The one who wants productive workers it's the state which opposses capitalism or just uses it to further their end.

 

[TimeToDie]

Ok, I need to be ethunasied due to a fucken loud chronic tinnitus, who has enough humanity
to help me out...

My ears have been ringing loudly since March, so I can relate. I wish I could get assistance in death too, but unfortunately we all must go with a DIY job. It amazes me how others manage to die. I read about a 6-year-old girl who hung herself, so everyone left alive literally is unable to do with a 1st grader can. Now that's depressing.

 

[Extremly kind <3]

My ears have been ringing loudly since March, so I can relate. I wish I could get assistance in death too, but unfortunately we all must go with a DIY job. It amazes me how others manage to die. I read about a 6-year-old girl who hung herself, so everyone left alive literally is unable to do with a 1st grader can. Now that's depressing.

I'm CTBING tommorow by any means, how come a 6 year old girl is more brave than us !!!!

 

[Severen]

Capitalism doesn't have anything to do with forcing people to remain alive against their will. Libertarians are very strongly supportive of the right to kill yourself (at any time for any reason as you see fit), and they also happen to be very strongly supportive of laissez-faire capitalism. If you want a fine example of free choice & free markets in action just look to A who supplies N for $ -- that's capitalism & freedom to end your life if you so choose.

I hate capitalism but I would much rather live in a libertarian utopia than under crony capitalism/fascism... Because that would mean, a higher quality of life for me because then I can basically make money, the way I want to and not how the ruling class allows me to... That would give me so many options when it comes to everything. I can tell employers to go fuck themselves and just make a decent amount of money with just my brain, my body and some motivation. Because every man or woman can perform all kinds of services people would be happy to pay for but most of them are illegal in this system. Because of silly values and silly laws. So then one can only pick from a list of legal ways to make money and if you find every legal way to make money, horrible in one way or another or can't pick something from the list because you can't meet the requirements, then welcome to a lifetime of fucking misery. You'll be like one of those old women working as cashiers in some shitty store...

So yeah, actual capitalism would be much better than this shit.The problem is, if libertarians brought back laissez-faire capitalism. Then how are libertarians going to prevent the rich and the wealthy from destroying it? How are the rich and wealthy going to react when other people are kicking their asses when it comes to making money? Try to make more money in order to preserve libertarian values or just take the easy route? The easy route being, taking away everyone else's freedom. How can they truly consolidate their power if people have the level of freedom they would have under laissez-faire capitalism? And all they have to do is buy up all the land and create an army and basically, everyone has to be their bitch or die. Then they can go, "Nah, committing suicide is wrong, selling stuff that will make it easy for people to do so is now banned on our land, because it's our land after all and life is precious." Then the next phase is, creating a government because ruling over so many people would be a pain in the ass for them, without one... And then it will be just like it is today... The only way libertarians can preserve their utopia is by instantly uniting and killing everyone who does anything to threaten their freedom. But that would be kind of hard, considering the people who are able to threaten their freedom can create a powerful military force with all their money. And then the libertarian freedom fighters would be outgunned, outnumbered etc...

Lool, sorry my dear, but if captialism wants productive ppl the should not push them to commit sucide !!!!

They don't really care about your mental health because you can be replaced by a dumb ass who would be happy licking the shit off someone's boots for money.

 

[GeorgeJL]

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[Crystal Labeija]

Capitalism has nothing to do with it. If anything, under a capitalist system, the capitalists would want more productive workers and less workers with mental health issues. Mental health can be debilitating and it makes you unpredictable. I would imagine capitalism would actually create a market for euthanasia. Take the Right to Die movement. The free flow of ideas about suicide methods has given us a wealth of information on how to kill ourselves.

Most of them the time, people blame capitalism, when in reality, it's crony capitalism that is the problem.

 

[Severen]

Capitalism has nothing to do with it. If anything, under a capitalist system, the capitalists would want more productive workers and less workers with mental health issues. Mental health can be debilitating and it makes you unpredictable. I would imagine capitalism would actually create a market for euthanasia. Take the Right to Die movement. The free flow of ideas about suicide methods has given us a wealth of information on how to kill ourselves.

Most of them the time, people blame capitalism, when in reality, it's crony capitalism that is the problem.

If you are talking about euthanasia not being legally available to everyone, I think it is a combination of Christianity and capitalism. Because a lot of people who don't make productive workers need medication, doctor's appointments and visits to the hospital. If everyone was physically fit and happy, the economy would take a huge hit because so many people would lose their jobs... Psychiatrists, psychologists and therapists would have to start flipping burgers... And certain corporations would be making very little money... And due to Christianity, there would be such a huge movement with hundreds of millions of people, fighting to make euthanasia illegal because too many people would be CTBing. Because life sucks. And every person who CTBs is someone's son or daughter, someone's father or mother, someone's brother or sister etc... And instead of seeing death as simply a transition from this world to another world... They see it something that robs someone of an amazing gift and then afterwards, puts someone in a position where he or she will be judged by God etc... "Oh no, I wasn't able to save her from being an atheist! Now she will burn in hell for all eternity or end up in purgatory." I wonder how many insane Christians still think committing suicide means going to hell, automatically. Imagine, being in the shoes of a parent who thinks their child is burning in hell for all eternity...

 

[Crystal Labeija]

If you are talking about euthanasia not being legally available to everyone, I think it is a combination of Christianity and capitalism. Because a lot of people who don't make productive workers need medication, doctor's appointments and visits to the hospital. If everyone was physically fit and happy, the economy would take a huge hit because so many people would lose their jobs... Psychiatrists, psychologists and therapists would have to start flipping burgers... And certain corporations would be making very little money... And due to Christianity, there would be such a huge movement with hundreds of millions of people, fighting to make euthanasia illegal because too many people would be CTBing. Because life sucks. And every person who CTBs is someone's son or daughter, someone's father or mother, someone's brother or sister etc... And instead of seeing death as simply a transition from this world to another world... They see it something that robs someone of an amazing gift and then afterwards, puts someone in a position where he or she will be judged by God etc... "Oh no, I wasn't able to save her from being an atheist! Now she will burn in hell for all eternity or end up in purgatory." I wonder how many insane Christians still think committing suicide means going to hell, automatically. Imagine, being in the shoes of a parent who thinks their child is burning in hell for all eternity...

I see it as the completely opposite. If suicide became legal and accessible, society would throw all their money and resources into mental health professionals. Heck, we'd probably even see the creation of new positions in the mental health world. This would a huge plus for one of the most powerful industries in the world: big pharma. Big pharma would not only be the primary provider of psychiatric medication. They would also be the primary provider of euthanasia medication. On top of that, the number of people who begrudge the nature of labor would significantly diminish. This leaves out those who want to work hard and continue living. Legalized suicide would be economically good: those who want to live and work would have more opportunities and less competition. Those who detest labor and want to die get their wish. The market would not only get more talent, but it will invent a new industry: suicide.

 

[riverstyx]

What does capitalism has to do with being pro assisted dying?

If anything a socialist system, which I'm guessing would be the alternative, gives other people even more control over the life of individuals.